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Re: Need assistance with trimming hooves and BCS

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Karen,

Please add the link to your photo album (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275817) to your signature.  To do that:

1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for the window with your signature.

3) Paste the link to your photo album in the line below your Case History link. You may need to add a space after the link to make it live. 

4) IMPORTANT: Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!

To delete a picture: click on the picture, scroll to the bottom of the screen and click the "Edit button" and on the next screen click the "Delete Photo" button.  

As far as the photos - the sole shots do show that the flare is real and in general he has long toes and underrun heels which are a fairly common problem.  The x-rays show the long toes and very little sole which is probably still an issue.  On the bright side he's in much better condition as far as the amount of weight he's carrying than he was last fall.




Re: Still mildly foot sore and now back and SI sore with mildly swollen hind fetlock

 

Hi, Heather.
To be clear -- and for everyone who needs help or has been asked for specific information in a message. --post the information here, on the forum, in a message. ECIR volunteers don't monitor images added to Photo Albums to check for details mentioned in comments.  We don't check details added to updated case histories, either, unless new information is brought to our attention by a message. 

In this case, the sole depth information Dr Kellon asked for is:
Right fore collateral groove measurements - 30mm in back and 13mm at the apex
Left fore collateral groove depth - 32mm in back and 15mm at the apex
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Getting Started and Trying to Learn

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Lucy,

If you're using a clicker that's supposed to be the reward after a certain point with very intermittent treats added in.  Celery or the Triple Crown cubes would be a better option or you can look at Beet-E-Bites or Stabul-1 treats which are safe for IR horses.




Re: Superman's weight

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Annette,

You can have a small animal vet ship the sample for you. The information on blood handling can be found on Cornell's website with the specifics on how to ship it - Equine Diagnostic Plans and Panels | Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine.  Only your vet can answer if they would have an issue with you doing the bloodwork via another channel.




Re: Private: Re: [ECIR] Insulin test Dr Kellon

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Laura,

Not quite sure what you're asking.  It sounds like you had two different blood draws:

1 - ACTH was 15 and insulin was 288 but the horse was fed 2 hours prior to testing which can lead to an elevation in insulin, however 288 would be so high that I would think the horse is IR unless Dr. Kellon thinks that number is not outrageously high 2 hours after eating.

2 - ACTH was already well outside the reference range at baseline.

My question to you would be what time of year were these 2 tests done and is there a reason you did not ask this question on the list which would allow everybody to learn from the answer?




On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:35:23 AM EDT, Laura Sager <laura.sager@...> wrote:


Sherry,  if you don't how unreliable are your results?  I recently had both ACTH and TRH done  for a previously undiagnosed horse.  For both the horse fasted overnight and was fed (hay and non molasses purina Enrich pellets) at around 5:30/6:00am with blood drawn at around 7:30/8:00 AM.  

Endogenous ACTH baseline Equine 15.00 pg/mL
Insulin 288.0

Cornell Lab: Plasma, Edta
ACTH Pre TRH Response Pre: 77.3 pg/mL           2 - 30
                                           Post: 593 pg/mL           2 - 110

Are these results a little contradictory and how unreliable might they be?  Just wondering if the eating throws them so off that they should be deemed unreliable or maybe just a little off so you could say likely PPID and IR?

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Laura L, NY 2021


Re: Getting Started and Trying to Learn

Lucy Butler
 

Thank you so much for your response, Kirsten. I have taken everyone’s advice and reached out to my vet about starting pergolide. I also taped off Rowan’s grazing muzzle so she can have some turn out but not grass. Lastly, after talking to the owner of the farm where I board Rowan, we’ve decided to tape off a dry lot for her behind the run-in in her home paddock where she can have hay meals without pressure from the two other mares she lives with. 


Regarding the timothy pellets, I use them a couple of times a week as a reinforcer for clicker training sessions (and I realized that on my CH it looks like that amount is daily. That pound is spread out over a few days a week). Would Triple Crown Timothy Balance Cubes (broken up a bunch) be a safe reinforcer? I also use chopped celery. 


Thanks so much again for your help!

Lucy
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Lucy Butler
Rhode Island, USA
Joined 2022
Rowan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lucy%20and%20Rowan

 

 


Re: One month post-laminitis status on Cayuse

 

As for her cycles, I feel like a dolt, but there's a reason for that. Cayuse has been the least mareish mare I've  had. She's been here since 2013 without any male horses nearby. She has never struck, squealed, pinned her ears or shown any obvious signs of estrus EXCEPT mare colics at the end of summer. I never even knew she cycled until she was on pergolide.

For several weeks, she's constantly peeing small amounts and winking. She even clamped her tail at the end of May, a never-before occurrence. As for her crest, it seems large and hard, unchanged since this started in early May. But since we recognized she had laminitis May 3, and now she's very painful once again, it's been 37 days. If I'm going to get a handle on this, I believe I will need to engage a repro vet.

As an aside, aren't all mares in North America going to be in estrus on June 21? Or is that a myth?
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Vinnie and Invokana update 6/2022

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Vinnie and Invokana update 6/2022

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi Dr Kellon,

Final labs came in....drum roll....

Lab Reference Ranges:
Insulin: 10-40 uIU/mL
Glucose:  71-122 mg/dL
ACTH:  2-35 pg/mL
Tryglicerides:14-65mg/dL

VInnie's result
TG 568, was 307
Insulin 30.9 was 103
Glucose: 103, was 121
ACTH 15.3, was 25.3

His diet consists of:

18 lb 9.9 eac + starch hay free fed
8 cups cavalor fiber force, 2.5 lb stabul 1 mixed in a bucket and free fed.
10 cups beet plup dry weight rsr mixed with 8 cups TC Senior split into two feedings. (note this was reintroduced this week he had stopped eating beet pulp with the neighbor fiasco)
4lb dry TC balance cubes thrown in tub with freed fed cavalor and stabul 1.  He snacks in this all day long and eats most of it in a 24 hr period. 

I have ordered the pea protein isolate from Bulk Supplements ans plan on starting 100g when I get it this week.

Overall he is going great. He has been a little dull at times in the last week or so, but we hav had alot going on with the new neighbor mare ans then Summer leaving for her ovarectomy and coming back home. I think he was worried about her.  

He is a little ribbier than he was, tape weight shows he has dropped a little from consistently 985 to now consistently 953.


Let me know what you think about TG and when to retest.  I am thrilled with these numbers!!!!!

TG is the last to overcome :)

🥰🥰🥰🥰
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: One month post-laminitis status on Cayuse

 

I've been rinsing, not soaking, her 2021 WFC August blue hay because I'm afraid of removing too much ESC. She's been eating the same load of hay since August. In an abundance of caution, I've been incorporating a no-nitrate hay, Diamond's hay, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cass%20and%20Satra%20-%20Cayuse%20-%20Diamond/Hay&%20Pasture%20Analysis/2022-04-13%20White%20River%20603+Cl+S+nitrates.pdf   as half her hay over the past week and a half. During that time her hoof pain has gotten steadily worse. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Can icing relieve pain of Lyme or hormone-induced laminitis?

 

Thanks. That's all useful. I do have Arnica and I can try icing. I'll try again with my vets.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Need assistance with trimming hooves and BCS

a.k.a.petpalace2@...
 

Uploaded photos and X-rays .  No recent x-rays just ones taken last fall when acutely laminitic. Also have one body shot from that time and well as 2 recent ones, about a month apart for body condition scoring.  
 
I mistakenly put same LF Dorsal hoof photo in twice but don't know how to delete it.  Can you explain how or can someone do it for me?

Thanks
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Karen B.
Wisconsin
2022
Apollo Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Apollo


Re: June Xrays and continued pain/abscess

Suzy Berkowitz
 

Maybe you could put a thick sponge in the bottom of the bucket for him to stand on
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Suzy in Fl 2020
Scout Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzy%20Scout
Scout Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=260915


Re: June Xrays and continued pain/abscess

Nancy C
 

Hi Robin and all

Robin, I know you have a lot on your plate.  Hoping I can please ask you to start new subject line when the general topic of your post changes.  In this case you have moved to radiographs and pain/abscesses and I have changed your subject line to that topic.  Yesterday I changed your topic to metformin.

If the topic continues here fine.  If you need to address a new area, please change the subject by starting  new topic. You can find that link under NEW TOPIC on thee right of your large device screen or, if on a smaller device, it is listed under the stack of coins icon at the bottom of your screen.

This may seem picky and it is, but with nearly 100 messages in your initial thread of Laminitis Spike, it will help your volunteers find and review what is going on with your boy more quickly when needed. Just go to the NEW TOPIC link to start a new are of discussion.

Many thanks indeed for helping us help you.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: June Xrays and continued pain/abscess

celestinefarm
 

This video is what I copied to learn to create the tape boot.
How to Make a Duct Tape Boot for Horse Hoof Abscess - YouTube
Video of making duct tape boot and applying it if you have a stainless steel table and a vet hospital, LOL. But it is good to watch.
Dr. Riddick Demonstrates How to Make Duct Tape Boot for Horse Hoof - YouTube

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: June Xrays and continued pain/abscess

celestinefarm
 

Robin, you can just poultice if soaking is causing that much discomfort. Standing in a bucket means he has to stand on a hard plastic or rubber surface of the bucket and when abscessing, can be very painful as any hard surface pushes on the abscessed area. I use Numotizine in a disposable diaper. Just pile a glob of it in the diaper, then put his foot in it ( do this on a soft surface such as a stall floor with shavings, then use the velcro tabs of the diaper to close it.  You can put a boot back on or what I typically do is make a boot out of duct tape( Gorilla tape works really well). Let me search for the video I learned from to make the boot. I then apply that to the bottom of the foot over the diaper and bring it up on the foot to stick it, the video will show you how to do this. I find duct tape boots often last two or three days and the Numotizine stays fairly soft. It has some analgesic properties also and it helps take the edge off the pain of an abscess. I had to go to duct tape as all of my abscess patients in my barn HATE boots. I'll post the video in another reply.  Also, the video shows a perfectly normal horse standing on a pristine cement floor holding it's foot up for minutes. In reality, your boot will have hay stuck in it, you will have numotizine on your hands, pants and shoes, and your patient will have snatched their foot away numerous times. Don't feel like you have failed, you're working in tough circumstances and things won't look perfect. But the boot will be on and the numotizine will help tremendously.
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: WAS: Laminitis Spike NOW: Metformin dose/administration

Robin
 

Purchased Phillips' Milk of Magnesia, sugar free. Active Ingredient is Magnesium hydroxide. Inactive Ingredients are purified water and sodium hypochlorite.

Safe for IR/Cushings mini?

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Robin

Aiken, SC 2022

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Hogan  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275012


Re: June Xrays and continued pain/abscess

Robin
 

While his left fore is worse, his right fore is also very painful. I find when picking up his left fore to place in a bucket to soak then back into the boot, he is falling down on the ground and fortunately he is small and my husband helps me hold him up. Also, standing without a boot in the bucket to soak is causing him a lot of pain. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
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Robin

Aiken, SC 2022

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Hogan  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275012


Re: Superman's weight

Anette
 

I wanted to have him checked in Feb. but the vet broke his foot and couldn't make a farm call and apparently the other vet couldn't  see him because he's not her patient. If he's going to get checked it needs to be soon to avoid the start of the seasonal rise, correct?
I remember it being mentioned that if one knows how to draw blood they can do it as long as it's spun within 4 hrs. I'd like to do that,but does it need to go into a certain tube? Would my vet have issue if I asked for one? Wondering if others do this how they approached the vet?
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Anette and Superman (Jaywalker in heaven)
Boomer, NC
Sep.9 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anette%20and%20Jaywalker
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265991


Re: One month post-laminitis status on Cayuse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Are you seeing any correlation to her cycles or any time frame repeating for these flares? Does her crest change when she's more painful?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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