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Intestinal Microbiome

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This is a little OT but I get messages from people who say they had their horse's fecal microbiome examined and it confirmed EMS ......

The major factor influencing the microbiome is the environment of the foal as it was maturing. Beyond that, diet has a big effect as well because the organisms can only survive if they have the foods they can use. Beyond that, there are huge individual and even breed factors that influence the microbiome, e.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35687150/ and many other studies like this.  Do NOT get taken in by companies claiming to solve your problems by analyzing the microbiome. We are light years away from being able to do that.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Hay Balancing

Kimberly
 


--thank you Dr. Kellon.  We are uckele customers so I will send the sheet there.  We are soaking this hay currently as Ryn's insulin is 73.66 and Mouse's is 116.75.  Thank you.    


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Re: Please help with hay analysis

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Ed,

If this was done via NIR testing the numbers for ESC+starch can be off by as much as 30%.  With that in mind, I wouldn't feed this hay without soaking.  I would also contact EA and see if they could at least run the carb pack (on the hay so you have accurate ESC and Starch numbers)




Re: ACTH testing time

Sherry Morse
 





ACTH testing time

mmannino2333@...
 

Is June an appropriate month to perform ACTH testing or have I missed the Spring window?
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Marilyn and Sam  Mason,MI 2022


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

How long has he been going between trims? To be fair, the onset of white line disease may have caused the current issues. If he was not growing much foot between trims, a longer trim interval is reasonable but WLD may have taken hold.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Alyson,

Daisy travels all over the country, so it's likely she would be able to come out to your location - or you might be able to trailer over to her. Definitely worth contacting her, as she has a lot of experience (and success) with complicated cases.

Thanks for adding the earlier rads. Unfortunately, Charlie's trim has deteriorated since the 4-2021 rads were done. His toe length was good in those earlier rads, with the breakover set in an appropriate location. Because the toes weren't too long horizontally, you didn't have the hoof capsule displacement that is present now (capsular rotation). There also wasn't any wall flaring. The thin soles were present in the earlier rads and haven't changed.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Hay Balancing

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Kimberly,

This hay is already below 10% moisture so doesn't need an more time to cure. I can balance it for you free if you use Uckele products to balance. It's not too difficult to balance but the ESC + starch is a concern. Ryn's insulin is still in a danger zone and it looks like you just discontinued metformin. This hay could tip him over the edge if unsoaked.

If you are willing to soak and want balancing send me an e-mail at kellon "at" uckele.com.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Excessive Salt Consumption

 

Both horses are out 24/7 in a paddock.  They both have access to small-hole hay nets.  Atticus has EOTRH and will soon have to have all his incisors removed; of his bottom incisors are already gone.  They got a little fat in January and I’m trying to get them to lose weight now, with as much exercise as I have time for and they have willingness for.

Thank you all for your input.  :)
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Laurie and Atticus and Diamond - 05 2016
Collegeville, PA
Atticus Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Atticus%20Case%20History/Atticus%20Case%20History.docx.pdf

Diamond Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Diamond%20Case%20History/Diamond%27s%20Case%20History.pdf 
Atticus  Current Hay Analysis - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laurie%20and%20Atticus/Hay%20Analysis/Hay%20Analysis%209-8-17.pdf

Atticus Photos - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=42693&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 


 

 

 


Hay Balancing

Kimberly
 

I have uploaded the same hay analysis in both Ryn and Mouse's case history.  I think I did it correctly but not sure.  This was a small first cutting and the hay did not have any time to cure before testing.  We used the test #603.  Do I need to go to another file to see if someone can help me balance it and would curing make a difference in the numbers?  ESC and starch are a smidge over the 10% mark.  thanks for any guidance on how to have it balanced.  Thanks all.  
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locked Re: Chewy now has compounded pergolide via RX

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Jennifer, unless your vet writes the prescription as "x mg pergolide as pergolide mesylate", you would need to multiply your Prascend dose by 1.3 to get the new compounded pergolide dose.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The sole shots are the most important.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


locked Re: Chewy now has compounded pergolide via RX

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Dr Kellon, you finally helped me understand the conversion process. I was so darn confused by it because of how some pharmacies do the conversion already (like Covetrus) but i guess some others don't.  Thank you!!!
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
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Re: IR horses; healthier in the South?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Re: Anemic

Kelly Kathleen Daughtry
 

Thanks fo the response and help!
--
Kelly & Micah, Clayton NC

April 2016

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20%20Micah 

Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=264981

 

          


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes. Lateral views may be helpful too. For the sole shots, please remove as much loose dirt as possible. A brush works well.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

 I then switched to my current farrier in May 2021, and thought my horses were in good hands ...
To be fair, those feet would be a challenge for any farrier or trimmer to deal with.  Daisy Haven Farm will have the resources and experience needed to deal with this so I hope you can get him seen there.  He deserves the best care.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Need assistance with trimming hooves and BCS

a.k.a.petpalace2@...
 

Sherry,
You are correct, that is the recommendation on ecirhorse.org but I didn't realize it was because it's the only known lab doing wet chemistry hay analysis for ESC and that NIR is not reliable.  I needed to sample 3 small lots of hay so I used a local lab that works with local ag coop and I didn't have to ship my samples which helped save some money (so I thought).  I don't know how I'm going to find hay for Apollo.  There's grass hay for sale locally but not any that's been tested.  When I extend my search to commercial hay growers "specializing" in low sugar hay, they may do wet chemistry analysis but it doesn't include ESC either, just NSC.  Is there a way to use NSC levels to purchase hay?
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Karen B.
Wisconsin
2022
Apollo Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Apollo
Photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275817
 


Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Alysoun Mahoney
 

Hmmm...it may be challenging to get images that meet all those specifications. I am widowed and live alone, so holding him still for all those angles may be a challenge. Even more challenging, is the surface: I still have him in his barn on a good layer of shavings for comfort. He has also been wearing SoftRide boots. I'm reluctant to remove both the boots and the shavings at the same time - even if only briefly for photos. I do have weekly trainer appointments on Tuesday mornings, and maybe I could get all these shots next Tue June 21.
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Alysoun M in PA 2022
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Re: IR horses; healthier in the South?

nobigdeal@...
 

Speaking from personal experience only, my horses showed no signs of IR tendencies when I lived in Florida and had them on a warm season grass pasture full time.  After moving to NC (where Fescue is the main grass) I started noticing issues with their hooves.
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Jessica USA 2020

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