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Re: Remy - Seasonal rise concerns - Testing questions added

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

Agree with Sherry and Martha on their comments.

My goal testing ACTH was to make sure his results were in the teens. That allowed him to do best through the winter even with insulin remaining at 50+ mg/dL

Testing ACTH may or may not give you clear answers, but personally I'd want to do it anyway. Things can change and I'd want the info included.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: Solar Penetration

Nicolle Dupont
 

Hi,

At present her left hip bedsore is quite infected, I would consider it a grade 4.  What would be the best thing to put on that?  I have been doing the Silver Honey (colloidal silver and manuka honey) but not sure if that also has antibiotic properties.  Polysporin?  I have upped the dressing change to 2x daily, not sure if that is too much.

I am not sure if that wound or her coronary band blowout are causing her high temperatures.  They both got bad around the same time.  She was 101 F yesterday a.m.and up to 103.1 F last night.

She is just finishing her third round of Doxy and I would need to get another Rx today.  Is Doxy or Apo Sulfrtrim better for wounds?  She is not metbolic so I think the sulfa thing would be OK.

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Nicolle D in BC Canada 2022
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Re: Hay Analysis

Nancy C
 

Hi Kathy

I use the method for drying from DairyOne using a microwave.

https://dairyone.com/download/forage-determining-dry-matter-with-a-microwave-oven/

Make sure you keep an eye on it b/c id it gets too dry it can catch.  I use this because I can pickup off the field, dry the sample quickly and get an answer to my hay guy in a few days.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



ROSE from Hawaii........Re: Hawaii horse with Equine Metabolic Syndrom

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Rose,

I know you were having trouble finding messages. Just checking to see if you are able to see them now.
Fingers crossed.


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Lorna in Eastern Ontario
2002


Re: Hay Analysis

 

Hi, Kathy. Dry the soaked hay in the shade away from the dusty barn. I move it from the hay net to a laundry bag for drying, which usually takes a couple of days. Make sure the hay feels dry before you package and send it. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: Seasonal rise

Lesley Bludworth
 

Thank you 


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Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:53:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [ECIR] Seasonal rise
 
Ah ok - I was thinking you meant 2 weeks from the blood draw!

Yes for the 10am test, you want her to start eating no later than 6am if she's out of hay after midnight.




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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Solar Penetration

Joy V
 

I second Schreiners.  In 2017 my horse ripped open his shoulder, a wound about the size of the palm of my hand.  The vet said it couldn't be stitched b/c of the location.  I used Schreiners only and it healed beautifully.  Highly recommend.

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Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  Willie's Case History
Willie's photo album:  Willie's Photos


Re: Seasonal rise

Sherry Morse
 

Ah ok - I was thinking you meant 2 weeks from the blood draw!

Yes for the 10am test, you want her to start eating no later than 6am if she's out of hay after midnight.




Re: Seasonal rise

Lesley Bludworth
 

Thank you Sherry,
The 2 weeks takes into account that she wont be here for a week, the test is monday at 10am, results back in 4 to 5 days... so 11 to 12 days from now?
And for my girl, I should feed soaked hay at 6 AM or earlier for a 10  insulin and glucose test?

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Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:40 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Seasonal rise
 
Hi Lesley,

At this point we are getting into 'chasing the rise' but if you change the dose now you won't be able to test and see if that's working for 3 more weeks (August 30) which is that much closer to the rise.  So you are at a point we don't like anyone to be at.  

As far as the behavior - is this something that only presented before he was diagnosed with PPID and did it disappear 100% when treatment started and this is the first time it's been exhibited since?

Just as an aside, it should not take 2 weeks to get test results back from Cornell.  If your vet Fed Exs the blood on Monday for arrival on Tuesday you should have results by Friday or the following Monday.





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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Seasonal rise

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Lesley,

At this point we are getting into 'chasing the rise' but if you change the dose now you won't be able to test and see if that's working for 3 more weeks (August 30) which is that much closer to the rise.  So you are at a point we don't like anyone to be at.  

As far as the behavior - is this something that only presented before he was diagnosed with PPID and did it disappear 100% when treatment started and this is the first time it's been exhibited since?

Just as an aside, it should not take 2 weeks to get test results back from Cornell.  If your vet Fed Exs the blood on Monday for arrival on Tuesday you should have results by Friday or the following Monday.





Re: Solar Penetration

Nicolle Dupont
 

Hi Lavinia,

She had a trim on June 14 by our barefoot farrier who was aware of her situation.  I slightly rasped her heels and her toes vertically on July 4 and again on July 16.  She has been laying down since July 25.

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Nicolle D in BC Canada 2022
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Re: Dairy One/ Equi-Analytical delay with their wet chem testing

Bobbie Day
 

I got the same thing yesterday, I sent my samples off more than two weeks ago. It was lost in the mail, now their machines are broken. Hopefully they get them going like they say. I bet they’re pretty backed up.

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Bobbie and Maggie 
Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21) 
Utah, Nov 2018
NRC Plus 2020, NAT, C&IR March 2021
ECIR Group Primary Response 

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Dairy One/ Equi-Analytical delay with their wet chem testing

Ronelle
 

I just got an email from Dairy/ Equi-Analytical as they are the same business) stating there was a malfunction of their equipment used for wet chem mineral testing and there will be a delay of up to 7 days for results.  A service engineer will be onsite on 8-11-22 to do repairs.  They are hoping to be back up and running by 8-12-22.  If you have questions about your sample/results call Customer Service at 607-375-9962.  I have not called them as I do not have an sample test there now.
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Ronelle and Yoyo
2015 Bend, Or, US


Hay Analysis

Kathy Hurd Hollister
 

Question for the group.
If I would like to analysis the hay that I am soaking, what is the protocol?
I am soaking for 1 hour in cold water or 1/2 hour in hot water( when it is available). Does it matter if the hay is dried in the sun or in the shade? Any other hints would be greatly appreciated.


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Kathy-Joined 5-/2016
Mia Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Mia 
Florissant, Colorado


Re: Solar Penetration

Judy and Bugsy
 

Wound Healing

Sending healing thoughts your way from Saskatchewan!
Manuka honey is available in health foods stores and is a fantastic aid in healing wounds. I’ve used it many times on my horses, dogs and human family - it’s part of my first aid kit. Burn victims also benefit from the healing benefits. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8386265/

Making a donut out of socks wrapped with vet wrap (similar to what you would do for an eye injury or a puncture on a horse), could be helpful to relieve pressure on the bedsores. (Being in Canada, we often just don’t have access or it takes forever to get stuff from the States so we have to get creative sometimes.).

You are doing a great job in helping your girl and this group is being so supportive I can just feel the positive vibes coming from the posts.  💕
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

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Seasonal rise

Lesley Bludworth
 

Hello,
Is it too late to increase prascend for seasonal rise?
My boarders horse has been on 1 tab of prascend for several years.
No repeat testing that I am aware of.
He is acting quite anxious, pacing etc in the mornings, like he used to before he was put on prascend.
The vet is coming to draw Sophie's blood to test to see if metformin is working on Monday.  He will have a blood draw for ATCH then but the results take a while.
Could I increase him now by 1/4 or 1/2 a pill? Will it be too late to increase the dose in 2 weeks when we finally get his numbers back?
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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Remy - Seasonal rise concerns - Testing questions added

 

Hi Susan,
As Sherry mentioned, I have a pony in his late 30’s who has always tested about the same, before diagnosis and after starting pergolide.  He doesn’t return completely normal values but low enough that I wondered about treating him.  My vet said he was obviously PPID and I should start pergolide.  With him, I am able to follow his urine output so I increase his pergolide when I notice his stall bedding is obviously more soaked.

I can also say that with another horse I had, his ACTH appeared to be well controlled by pergolide but I suddenly began to lose that control so I switched him to cabergoline.  As if by magic, symptoms which I had not attributed to PPID disappeared but his ACTH went much higher so things are more complicated with this disease than might appear on the surface.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 


Re: Solar Penetration

 

Another product I have used for wound healing is Schreiners.  It’s herbal (contains Goldenseal) and seems to sting on some horses but not others.  My Trakehner mare had her lower leg completely debrided in a fencing accident where she was boarded.  She was stitched up but those didn’t hold.  I wrapped her for months before switching to Schreiners which was like a a miracle cure for her.

I have also used SSD cream (silver sulfadiazine) for wounds which need covering.  It’s pricey so I thought a little dab would “do it” but in the end I purchased it by the case and slathered it on.  I was using it for a severe case of pastern dermatitis.  It’s a bit greasy feeling and seems to remain slippery so there’s no sticking of the dressing.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 


Re: Remy - Seasonal rise concerns - Testing questions added

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Susan,

This is where having a completed case history would be very helpful for us to be able to help you. 

It's true that some horses will be PPID but won't test as high because ACTH is only one of the indicators of PPID - at this point it just happens to be the only one we can test for. For those horses most people treat based on symptoms.  Martha can comment on this more if she sees this thread as she had just such a horse.

Suspensory branch tears can happen in any horse with or without PPID - trying to guess if PPID contributed to the event without knowing any details is impossible.  Same with abscessing. Insulin of 35 is not indicative of a current danger of laminitis but the coffin bone loss and rotation do lean towards long standing issues - whether those mean sub-clinical laminitis or another hoof issue we can't comment without seeing the x-rays and trim pictures. 

The reason Nancy and I suggested doing ACTH now is that we are in the period of the seasonal rise and with horses that don't test out of the reference range at other times of year they may well do so now if they have an abnormal response to the rise. 

Is there some reason you can't tell the barn to withhold the bucket feed until after testing is done?  I would definitely make sure the test circumstances are the best they can be, even if that meant going to the barn and feeding hay 4 hours prior to the test myself (been there, done that).  
















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Susan Vaughan in Houston Texas
Member since 2004


Re: Pain Alternatives

Sherry Morse
 

What is the dosage of DC on the product you have?  Is it a horse product like Equimins Devils Claw Liquid Joint Supplement | Rideaway USA (rideawaystore.com)? Or something designed for people?  If it's a people version you probably need to multiply the dosage by 10 for a thousand pound horse (at least).



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