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Re: urgent Test results back for Rio and says not IR

rollykoal@...
 

that is great news 
always good to hear 
may i ask what is the invocana for ?
thank you 


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Renee SD 2020


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Allison
 

Sorry Dawn just realized I didn't fully answer your questions...

I don't know if it's a urinary tract infection, or infection caused by the sloughing tissue from the end of his penis. What I can feel in there are large granular chunks that are somewhat loosely attached. If you look at my photo album you'll see an example of a chunk that I pinched off on Sunday afternoon. I strongly suspect that the dribbling is because he's urinating from way up inside his sheath, instead of externally or at least somewhat extended. And that is not helping the bacteria or infection situation going on up in there.
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=254641


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Allison
 

Thank you Dawn. I'm not trying to be a hysterical female. I'm just really really scared and exhausted from spinning my wheels so hard. 

You're absolutely right, the infection is #1 problem right now. Honestly, he was urinating fine before the major swelling, albeit more frequently. But the swelling is coming from infection, which is coming from not dropping properly, which is exacerbating the infection, which is inflaming the swelling, which is interfering with the urination...and around we go. 

So...infection. Aside from exercise, cold hosing, surgical soap, frankincense oil...anything else I can do?
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=254641


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

celestinefarm
 

Allison, I'm sorry about your vet situation, that has to be so frustrating. Good that he has antibiotics on board. When you said infection, do you mean urinary tract infection?

At some point, this horse may need to be catherized to allow him to urinate. If all you are seeing are dribbles, his urethra may be partially blocked or the bladder may not be functioning properly.  Is he inside a stall where you can find wet shavings from urination? Treating the penile carcinoma should be secondary to the urination issues right now.  Once you get the infection under control and get some normal urine stream back, you can concentrate on the treatment of the carcinoma. 

Horses have undergone penile amputation and recovered well and go on to live useful lives. If current cancer treatments are feasible for you , amputation might be an option. But right now, establishing normal urine flow even if it means catherization for a period of time is where you might need to be. 

Hang in there Allison, you will be surprised to find how many of us have dealt with stuff that might seem off the wall or you might feel alone in dealing with. We've likely been there and can provide you with suggestions. 

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Urine strips for testing

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just to be clear, there should never be protein in the urine but the test is prone to false positives with alkaline urine. Mucus from sludge or stone irritation will also cause a positive. It's not a cause for alarm when an isolated finding unless it occurs repeatedly.  Excess dietary protein is broken down and the carbohydrate backbone of the amino acids is burned for energy. The amine/nitrogen groups are processed to urea in the liver and excreted in urine.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Allison
 

The vet used lubricant both times that he tried. No go. 

I just got Frankincense and Jojoba oil from the Health Foods store. Going to look up the mixture ratio now. 
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=254641


Re: Urine strips for testing

TERRI JENNINGS
 

Yes, this is because he’s on invokana. 

His protein was a bit high but our current hay is a little higher in protein than desired. 
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Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Frances C.
 

Just wondering if something real slippery like Vagisil or hyaluronic acid  gel would make it easier for him to drop. You could smear your hands with it then give it a go. I watched a TV episode of Dr. Pol on NatGeo where he worked on a steer. He redirected the utherea further up then cut off the rest of the offending member - looked like simple surgery.
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Allison
 

Dawn, trust me, your frustration is nothing compared to mine.

No lab work has been done. Local vet refused. Second opinion vet told me before he came that cryo was an option and that he was going to take a biopsy. Then he gets to my farm and says he can't biopsy the horse will bleed too much. Couldn't get the horse to drop with Ace. Tells me work the horse, cold hose, and I'll come back later if the swelling goes down. So I round pen him 30 mins on (lazy trot), 10 mins off (cold hosing inside sheath) for 2.5 hours continuously. Get swelling waaaaay down. Vet comes back, shoots him up with Ace and immediately tries to get him to drop. I don't really think he even had time for the Ace to work, TBH. Said he's in a hurry can't wait, has to go.

Even tho I told him multiple times that I cannot afford surgery, he acted surprised that it's not an option. !!!!!!!!!! Dammit, I'm trying and fighting so hard but I'm getting nowhere.

Local vet has prescribed Sulfadiazine Sodium/Trimethoprim 400/80mg/ml twice, 6 days each round, 2 doses of 20ml each. Infection returned.

Travelling vet gave him a shot of Borjal 36mls and put him back on the same SST at a dosage of 25mls twice daily. 

I want to SCREAM. I'm trying so hard to figure this out, remember everything I'm supposed to ask, and not go bankrupt in the process. 
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Photo Album:
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Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

 

I’m with Dawn on this but was going to suggest using cannabis oil topically, preferably containing some THC.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

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Re: New Bloodwork & question on feed while exercising

V F
 

Good idea, Bonnie, about carrying a bag of hay. Since we're both on foot (hoof), it's a bit more of a workout for me especially on the steep hills! I have an old McClellend saddle that I could use to make him carry his own food. He is on 24 hour food, except when we're out on the trail - he eats 24# plus per day and still stays slim, bordering on skinny. So I feel mean taking him out to work, but want to get the insulin down as much as possible. Now that the smoke is thinning out, I think we can go out more often. So, he'll be skinny & me not so much!
And Kristen, strangely his blood work was good in July, but about a week after the blood pull he came up severely lame in both fronts, so I think his rise starts early in July. I've actually increased his Compounded pergolide and kept Invokana the same, since his urine shows maximum glucose. I took the Invokana down from 300 mg to 150mg because he seemed like he was experiencing a veil-like reaction and was standing around not eating very well for weeks before I suspected the Invokana was doing it, Before I lowered the Invokana, he would be tired in about a mile of walking & would want to stop.  I worried about getting him back a few times. So maybe blood sugar went down?
Thanks to you both for your ideas.
--
Virginia F, Lily, Jasuur, Cache, Haat & Spiritt in the sky, in South Central Oregon
ECIR 2010
Jasuur case history and bloodwork folder:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/VirginiaF%20and%20Jasuur
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=147028


Re: Urine strips for testing

LJ Friedman
 

i believe??? this concerns invokana testing 
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

celestinefarm
 

Has this horse actually been diagnosed with Penile squamous cell carcinoma?  I've gone back through the thread and I don't see a diagnosis, just that it's suspected.  Is there no way to definitively diagnose this type of cancer?  Additionally, Allison has said he has a "raging infection". Has any type of lab work been done to determine if he is indeed infected and with what?  And if he has an infection, why wouldn't the vet who saw him last  Rx some type of antibiotics, antifungals, etc. to treat the infection that would be appropriate for whatever the infection is and for a horse?

I don't understand why there is not a definitive diagnosis nor a treatment recommendation given for this horse by veterinarians who have examined it. 


--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Allison,

At this point I don't think you have anything to lose by trying the essential oil.  You can dilute it in some carrier oil to avoid further irritation. I think I mentioned my friend uses Young Living Oils which is expensive but of a known quality.



Re: Free testing for PPID in Canada.

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Susan,

The free test is ACTH only.  If you want any other bloodwork done you will need to arrange that with the vet, preferably prior to his arrival.  You can insist on the bloodwork all being sent to Guelph as we know that the results from them are reliable and the range that they use is one that we are familiar with here.




Re: urgent Test results back for Rio and says not IR

hdavis
 

Thanks again Kirsten.  Storm is on the same hay as Rio along with balanced mineral so it is low s and s, no pasture either.  
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

 Photos

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0  .


Storm

Case History



photos

 
 

 




Re: Progress after 1 1/2 years !

Sherry Morse
 

She looks super Renee! If you could add that link to your signature you won't lose it again! Copy the link: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=254670

1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for the window that has your signature in it

3) Add the copied link to the line below the current signature and make sure you make it "live". Adding a space after your link or hitting enter on your keyboard will turn it blue.

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Re: Free testing for PPID in Canada.

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Susan, yes it's true glucose can be a good measure of how well the sample may have been handled.  But your ACTH won't be shipped with insulin and glucose anyways if you get the free ACTH test, or at least I was told I would have to pay for shipping 2x.  My preference is to use U Guelph as ECIR recommends for all my bloodwork.  Other labs may use different assays, which affects the number reported.  The ECIR calculator is based on the assays used at Cornell and U Guelph.  Whichever lab you choose though, it's best to stay with it for all your bloodwork if you want to be able compare results and know you are comparing apples to apples.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: How Long Does the Veil Last?

Lorna Cane
 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 09:58 AM, <tosborne@...> wrote:

Hi Teresa,

Horses love alfalfa and wheat shorts,.Purina is pretty short on details but they say they also add soy hulls. 
Some horses get foot sore from alfalfa,(not sure wby) so just keep an eye out for that.
But maybe Snickers  likes the soy hulls added,too. If you do notice any foot issues you could try adding soy hull pellets as a tempter. Dampened. I've never met a horse who doesn't like them.
 
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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Progress after 1 1/2 years !

Lynn
 

Well done Renee!!!! You should be sooo proud of yourself!!!!!!! She looks amazing!!!!!! So happy for you!
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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