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Re: Twister Diarrhea again

NANCY BOTTE
 

I am heading today to Cheshire for the Absorb All - your using GUT also at the same time?
Are these both supplements that you keep your horses on all the time?
Thanks!

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Nancy B
NH
2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Twister 


Re: Salt on Hay

NANCY BOTTE
 

OK - Thanks! We are using that now as a carrier!
You guys rock!

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Nancy B
NH
2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Twister 


Re: the manganese in my has has doubled!

Caroline
 

Thanks Cass, that does make sense, we had a LOT of rain last winter.  I've been balancing myself - if it's not inappropriate to ask, how does the iron change the way I would deal with the manganese?  Iron is 101mg/kg.
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Caroline
Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK
September 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Caroline%20and%20Evan
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=231916


Re: Riosa hoof trim feedback requested - not markups

hdavis
 

Thanks Lavinia,

I will do a trim tomorrow if weather is good and post new pics.  
Makes sense on the hinds as I can se their are underun and will work on that.

For the fronts I will take some more toe off and lower the heels slightly.  I also thought the RF was worse than the LF so could to see I am seeing what you see. Now to just get those toes back where they need to be.

Thanks again!

Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa Case History
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Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


DSLD

Tara Smith
 

Hello ,hope everyone is safe and well ,new issue ,my other horse Gavis herd mate was just diagnosed with  DSLD 
My farrier told me that Dr Kellon has an effective protocol for this specific issue .The vet want me to start with the previcox and i would prefer other options .Can anyone offer treament thoughts here please ?Thanknyou ,Tara,also compounded pergolide ,is it as effective with cushings as pracend ?Im treating 3 horses with cushings ,going through 1box every 3 weeks🤦‍♀️
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Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Question about Pergolide

Collaeyn Hazen
 

Hello,
My pony Duke has been on Pergolide for about a year. I administer it orally. I just was curious if there is any harm to the mouth, as I was reading in a post about another medicine that taking it orally can cause problems after a while.

Thank you,
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Collaeyn, Monty, Shark, and Duke
Sewell, NJ
June 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Collaeyn%20and%20Monty
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248978   (Monty pics)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=250635   (Shark pics)


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Well, with the trick Lavinia shares, there is movement side to side when i don't have vetwrap on the foot. Sooooo, as snow as the 1s felt they were probably the right size.  I will keep the 2s because I think they will be handy to have. But 1s here I come again. Lol
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Collaeyn Hazen
 

Hi Nancy,
I have found the cloud boots due tend to stretch a bit after a few days (I have so many hoof boots it isn't funny) so the 2's sound like what I would go with. I have found that the Easyboot RX is a good option too, for when you are ready for a less poofy pad. I found they had less boot out in front of my Monty's toes.
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Collaeyn, Monty, Shark, and Duke
Sewell, NJ
June 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Collaeyn%20and%20Monty
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=248978   (Monty pics)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=250635   (Shark pics)


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Once you have the foot in the boot, let him stand down on it to set his foot fully inside. Then pick up the foot, grasp the boot around the heel area and try to rotate it from side-to-side across the heels. If the boot shifts/rotates, it's too big as it will do the same thing when he is walking. If not, BINGO!

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Lavinia and Cass!

Lavinia, yes he is temporarily barefoot on the left. My new wonderful farrier :) is coming back to put a sneaker on ( he is making an appliance to be able to attach the show w/o going into the non existing hoofwall. He was planning last week, but was evacuated with the fires.

So we are temporarily booted. I can take a pic to show how littlw the clearance is. The heel bulb on the sz 1 was pressing pretty hard against that back surface and I had to Jimmy the foot to get it on squarely.

The 2 goes on nicely and the heel bulb rests adjacent to that back surface.  I am using one layer of vetwrap so not a lot pf wrapping.

Cass, he seems to like the blue pad that came with the boot. So that seems to work.

I will add images to my folder so everyone can see and then if I have to buy the sz 1 I can pick it up on Monday :) ( just returned it today) they sre gonna think I am as whacky as most other people do (lol)

In about 15 mins I will have some images.
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: the manganese in my has has doubled!

 

Hi, Caroline. We can't know what's really happening with the field, but, in general, both iron and manganese can increase in hay when soil pH gets lower, meaning more acid. That's because iron and manganese are more easily absorbed by plants in more acid soils. Soil acidity can vary year to year. If you had a heavy rainfall year, that can make soils more acid through a process involving leaching nitrogen compounds.

How you deal with it in the diet depends on the iron content of your hay. Averaging the 2 years' manganese result is not the way to handle with it. It's best to balance your hay with the analysis as it is now. I see you're using a custom mineral mix. Provide your new hay analysis to the balancer. If adjustment is necessary, she will adjust the mix to handle the manganese.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos 


Re: Just got lab results on both my Arabs. Looking for more information.

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Ronda,

As noted in the welcome email bute will not help a horse with metabolic laminitis so you can start weaning Brute off of that.  How quickly that can happen will depend on how long he's been on it but you want to avoid a NSAID rebound so don't cut it out quickly.  

Plain white salt added to feed or sprinkled on wet hay is fine, but most horses won't get the amount they need on a daily basis from a salt block.  

For me, neither of them needs to be put on Prascend unless you retest them in January or February and they're showing elevated ACTH then.  I would concentrate on getting them both on the emergency diet and then getting the hay tested and balancing minerals to the hay as well as limiting their intake so they'll gradually lose weight.




Re: Riosa hoof trim feedback requested - not markups

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Heather,

Hind toes are much closer to where they need to be, heels are still underrun. You'll need to only ramp those heels to maintain the current vertical height. LH has the heels flaring out, so need to bevel the walls out of ground contact, leaving only the bars at the heel-bar junction as the weight bearing point:

https://www.hoofrehab.com/HeelHeight.html

Fronts have improved, with the heels starting to move back under her. Front toes need to come back more - LF is better than the RF. Both can have the heels lowered some but not excessively.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

 

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 01:10 PM, Nancy & Vinnie & Summer wrote:
My question is should the heel bulb seemd sort of snug in the back of the boot and should i use a sock or vetwrap to protect rubs?  What has worked for you all? Is it OK to size up of the recommended size by measurement really seems too small?
Nancy, IME the hoof size is only part of the equation on hoof boot fit. The pad you use makes a big difference. Some horses don't like the thick, spongy blue Cloud pads, maybe because of the angle, maybe because the softness of the thick pad can cause uncomfortable steady pressure somewhere on the bottom of the hoof. So my advice is get the size that fits with the pad Vinnie likes best. Sometimes using a different pad or adding a small, thin additional pad can really dial in the fit.

For my gaited mare, the boot must be really snug everywhere to stay on. To prevent rubs on the heel bulbs, my trimmer recommends slathering the heels with Swat. In the end, given Cayuse's wonky pronation and over-reach, I had to buy Easyboot Trails to keep a boot on her. They are fitted much more closely to the actual size of her hoof. Her preference is also very thin to no pad. YMMV.
 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos 


Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Sorry, I may have missed/forgotten this part but is he now barefoot?

You want the heels to fit snugly, so that the boots don't rotate when the horse moves. That's the first priority. It's the movement that will cause rubs. If you see any rubs starting, you can put a strip of duct tape over the area of the foot that is getting rubbed. If you can fit socks or vet wrap into the heel, generally that means the boot is too large UNLESS that is needed for some other purpose (i.e. wrapping a wound, treating for an abscess).

He can walk around as much as he wants in the clouds. They aren't designed for formal exercise but general turnout on a horse that isn't running around will be fine. You can duct tape over the velcro for added safety in keeping the tops closed.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Twister Diarrhea again

ferne fedeli
 

I will add my 2 cents worth too about GUT.  We have an Appy (no metabolic issues--yet) that tends to get stomach issues and have diarrhea or soft stools now and again.  I started him on GUT earlier this year after a particularly bad run of very soft stools.  I used BioSponge for a couple of days and then Psyllium for a week or so and then gave him the GUT and it has kept him in pretty good shape for months now.  In fact, when the vet came to do vaccinations, etc. she thought his manure looked "almost normal"!!!
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
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Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

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