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Re: Soaking Hay questions

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Nancy,

You are also starting to get Prascend effects now that we are coming out of the rise.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Case Histories: What You Need To Know - Mon, 01/04/2021 #cal-notice

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Case Histories: What You Need To Know

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Monday, 4 January 2021

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Your equine's Case History is the most important step to be completed upon joining the ECIR Group. It is critical for obtaining timely and specific advice from the support team.   

 

If you are a long time member, migrated from Yahoo, please be aware there are changes in how information is to be properly posted.  We also have a new case history form. If your case history does not contain the IR Calculator Table please transfer all your information on to the new form. The new uploading rules and instructions are located at the bottom of the case history form

 

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Please take the time to update your Case History.  An up-to-date case history is invaluable when an equine emergency crops up. Accurate documentation of management changes, the equine's responses, blood work results and links to the equine's photo album not only helps the ECIR Group gain the trust and respect of science-based equine professionals but can be used by vets who are on the ground trying to help your horse. Your Case History is the best way to effectively monitor and illustrate the results in PPID and IR management changes. 

 

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Re: Bullitt and Kate Case Histories Updated and Thank you

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Sarah
It sounds like you are heading in the right direction by slowly increasing his supplements--hopefully the brewers yeast will prove to be a winner. Hard to tell if he needs more pergolide if he isn't showing symptoms currently. 
Some of our more trim-conscious mods may have further comment on his trim--I was just wondering, looking at the photos from November, whether the farrier is scraping sole off at the front of the foot? It looks much cleaner than the rest of the sole. Of course, this may be a winter-clean 'snow hoof', so forgive me if that is the case. Our temps seldom fall below -5C and we don't get snow, so I'm unfamiliar with what feet in your environment would look like.
Also, it seems to be quite a flat trim, with no roll around the sharp edges of the walls. If you recall, in her markups ( ))  Lavinia did advise bevelling the outer edges of the walls--it looks like your farrier is certainly keeping the walls down and encouraging weight-bearing on frog, bars and sole, but I was wondering if a light roll all around at ground level might aid breakover. 

As always, I defer to Lavinia and more trim-experienced mods. 

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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: End of Year Message

Ann Conn
 

Mel V has decided when he will euthanize his mare.
One thing I have read here repeatedly is to listen to your horse, you will see when they are ready to give up "or not ". If listening to your horse, paying attention to your horse, is torture ( as Mel states ECIR advocates), I believe his intention is to murder his mare without any regard for her preferences, her feelings, or her life.
Ann and Azeem
Oct. 2016


Re: Question about Prascend

 

Hi, Jessica - Good for you wanting to help this mare! 

My recurrent nightmare is not having enough money, at some point, for Gypsy's pergolide (she is on 13 mg daily at the moment).  Merlin was on 20 mg, as was Maggie, towards the end of their lives. They were both full of beans right up to the end (Merlin was euthed due to kidney failure; Maggie was euthed due to a surgical colic); Both lived to be 35 years old. Merlin had been on pergolide for 7 years, Maggie for 9 years. 

I use Island Pharmacy at Shawnigan Lake.  https://www.guardian-ida-pharmacies.ca/en/british-columbia/shawnigan-lake/island-pharmacy-7-7015938   Get the vet to phone or fax in the prescription. The owner then phones with name, address, and credit card number, and the pharmacy sends out the capsules by Expedited Post. I totally forget what 1 mg pergolide costs per month, but it was in the neighbourhood of $35. Gypsy's dose of 13 mg daily is $170 per month, which is actually less than 1 mg of Prascend daily per month.  


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Jaini 
Merlin and Maggie (over the bridge), Gypsy, Ranger
Smithers, BC 09

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=34193  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=39711


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

 

I haven’t tried anything like that yet, but I will check them out


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

 

I’m a bit hesitant to add any more powders to what he’s already getting as well.


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

 

I’m thinking I like the 2 for 1 benefit as well ! I’m going to look into the Lung Eq and see how we do! ...I’d like to maybe add additional Uckele Jiagloun for a boost for his hooves as well as all the other benefits that it seems to help with! Looks like Lung Eq contains 1,500 mg Jiagulon ..is there a certain amount that’s recommended for the hoof benefits?? The Uckele Jiagulon says 1 scoop equals 7g


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

 

Thank you! I’m going to look into Lung Eq ! Wondering if I can add more Jiagloun to that if need be for an added boost for the hooves as well?!?


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Soaking Hay questions

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

I should also mention Vinnie is starting to stablize with his foot soreness now that he has been on metformin for a good 13 days.

I am not walking him yet because I want several days of consistency..today is day 3.  I
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Soaking Hay questions

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi all, so I have a new dilemma. I have the blue grass with varying from 5 to maybe 10 % alf that preliminary looks like it is 7.98 and.58 starch and I have Timothy that test is probably accurate in my folder. I know the sugar is too high for Vinnie in the timothy but he won't eat it soaked.  I haven't completey moved to  cubes for two feedings because I am having trouble again with 2 cups evening mashy with barely any supps in it...


So how safe is it to soak the blue grass with the alf, and how long do I need to soak to be in safe territory considering the alf component?
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: 4000 mg Jiaogulan in laminox Question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 04:46 PM, Sherry Morse wrote:
4000mg is .8tsp
 That only applies to water weight. Various powders, minerals, etc. have very different densities and therefore different weight to volume conversions.
 
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

TERRI JENNINGS
 

In addition to J herb and Spirulina we give Elecampane and Euphrasia (eye bright). I’m not sure if they are safe for IR horses but that combination does the trick for my non-ir/ppid 30 year old. He needed expensive inhalers several times a day during spring and summer but hasn’t needed them for the last 2 years. We have given them during the smoke from fires but more as a preventative. He’s no longer dependent on them to just mosey around the pasture and he’s able to play again. His eye and skin allergies have gone away as well. 
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Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: 4000 mg Jiaogulan in laminox Question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

One scoop of LaminOx has 2000 mg of Jiaogulan.  One teaspoon of Jiaogulan powder is 1500 to 2000 mg depending on how tightly packed, if rounded, etc.

LaminOx also contains nitric oxide precursors and cofactors as well as antioxidants so you can't really draw a direct comparison.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: 4000 mg Jiaogulan in laminox Question

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Shawn,

4000mg is .8tsp BUT that's the amount in 2 scoops of Laminox.  If you are giving Candy 1 scoop of Laminox she's getting just under a half a teaspoon of Jiaogulan from that.  Jiaogulan is dosed to effect so if you find that the approximately 1.75 tsp she's getting now is sufficient when you finish the Laminox you'd just continue with that dose.  For more information you can read this document in our files: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Pain%20Medication%20and%20Alternatives/Jiaogulan,%20Nitric%20Oxide%20Support,%20AAKG%20and%20Supps/Jiaogulan%20Doses%20and%20Precautions.pdf
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Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)
EC Primary Response

PA 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891

 


Re: Laminitis Relapse Why?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Dry it does nothing except trap any fluids that are released. When wet it at least softens tissues. Personal preference is for Numotizine.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Best supplement for Heaves/allergies

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Michelle,

Have you tried any homeopathics for him?  For my mare after the MSM stopped working I shifted to homeopathics, Vitamin C and Breather Powder from Springtime for her.  She wouldn't eat the Spirulina so that wasn't an option for her.  As far as the homeopathics, I contacted Animal Wellness Consultants (https://holisticanimal.com/) for advice on that - it's been almost 10 years now so I don't recall exactly what we used for her.




Re: Laminitis Relapse Why?

Kandace Krause
 

I am having a hard time getting trims done in a timely manner as is.  I was hoping that I could use jiaopulan instead of paying more money for venograms at vet clinic.
What about after pain is gone, presumed abscess cleared?  Is that a better time for it?
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: Laminitis Relapse Why?

Kandace Krause
 

This is what is being used at clinic.  Horse is there as impossible to keep confined at home at this time of year.  They said they would use dry as soles already too soft and thin, not quite as effective as when wet.  I understand it to be a poultice.  What poultice do you recommend?
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: Laminitis Relapse Why?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Kandace,

Animalintex does not draw like poultices do; it's only absorbent.

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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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