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Re: Urgent Vinnies acute mild laminitis

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Purina products

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

I should add that the carbohydrate analysis for the CR Pro Fiber Crunch reported by Mad Barn ( https://madbarn.com/feeds/cr-profibre-crunch-trouw-nutrition/ ) is alarming to say the least with 16% DM starch (!!!), given that the Trow Nutrition website describes this feed as:
  • A safe feed option for horses that have metabolic disorders, Cushings disease or have foundered (< 10% NSC).
  • Contains no added sugar and minimal starch...
Maybe it's time for me to cut it out of Shaku's diet.  I should at least call them and ask them about this major discrepancy, but I've tried contacting Trow Nutrition recently to ask about another new low carb feed my vet suggested ( https://www.trouwnutrition.ca/en/HiPro-products/step-right-products/genapro/) and I found their online "Contact Us" feature doesn't work, nor is there a phone number anywhere that I can call.

There is no carb analysis on the Mad Barn site for the Integri-T.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Shrinking eye - what can help to preserve eye health

Stepht
 

Hi Joanne,

thank you for taking the time to look at all of the photos and comment with your good information and advice!  I started her back on the flax seed oil and she has been eating well. Maybe it is my imagination, but her eyes seem brighter already!  I will post any info that I get from the vet. 


Thank you again!


--
Stephanie Thomson August 2, 2016

 

Liberty, Missouri

Katie Case History

Katie Photo Album  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6072

Katie Lab Values Folder  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Stephanie%20and%20Katie 


Re: Purina products

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Francine,

Just a suggestion, can you try mixing this (dry) in very small amounts with the Amino Trace+ pellets (like 1 x 100-g scoop of each)?  This feed is not going to provide anywhere near the minerals the AT+ does, it's really just a source of added calories and protein and a little bit more minerals than you'd typically find in hay but given the serving size not nearly enough Cu and Zn to be helpful, especially considering the high iron in it.  Useful as a taste tempter but not as a hay balancer.  This looks like a complete analysis of it:
https://madbarn.com/feeds/integri-t-purina-canada/
Also, 2500 ppm iron is really high when you consider iron in hay >500 ppm is unsafe to feed.  Feed as little as possible of the Integri-T.

I mix 0.5 cups of the CR Pro Fiber Crunch in to my horse's meals and the pellets mix in with the AT+, which is also ok in small amounts, like up to 2 cups a day.  Because the pellets mix in together I assume that the AT+ becomes indistinguishable in taste and texture.  Not sure if you can get it in Quebec, but it is everywhere in western Canada.  The iron is lower (400ppm) and it has more alfalfa and beet pulp in the base, but otherwise is basically identical to the Purina Integri-T.  It smells nice, like apples. 
https://www.trouwnutrition.ca/en/HiPro-products/step-right-products/cr-profibre-crunch/
https://madbarn.com/feeds/cr-profibre-crunch-trouw-nutrition/
If Magic is sensitive to alfalfa, it might not be a good idea...you'd have to weigh that against the high iron in the Integri-T and it's potential effect on IR. 

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Steglatro trial

Alicia Harlov
 

Thanks! On GoodRx it's significantly cheaper than Invokana ($530 for 30 days of Invokana versus $150 for 30 days Steglatro)
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-Alicia Harlov in South Hamilton, MA 
PHCP hoofcare provider, The Humble Hoof podcast


Re: Urgent Vinnies acute mild laminitis

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Nancy,

I've uploaded a quick mark-up for the LF:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/245855/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

Yellow hashed line is where the bone would be. Really need to bring that medial quarter inward to remove excess pressure, as well as to keep the entire hoof capsule from twisting medially. Also need more off the toe. Coffin bone is ground parallel, which is adding to the stresses on the arthritis he has on P2, and to the tendons/ligaments along the back of his leg.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

Tara Smith
 


-- terri the pharm for ivonkana is Affortable Rx Florida let me know if u need the number i order for my horse all the time they are great!There is a 6 week lag tho..I always order ahead and get the 90 supply
Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Iron in Hay-What is considered High? Dry Matter 268ppm at 16lbs.

Jennifer Boydstun
 

Hello-

I am looking at hay to purchase and the Iron came back at dry matter 268ppm is that too high feeding 16LBS. a day? 
--
Jennifer Boydstun
Folsom, Ca.
For T-Birds Windrunner- Tennessee Walker
8-5-18
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20T-Birds%20Case%20History

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=89742


Re: Request from Dr Kellon for feedback on Riosa's blood - should I be concerned

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Heather,

Yes, adjust even though she's blanketed unless you notice she's gaining weight/fat pads.  What I meant is that if she's not going into the shelter even when the weather is bad she is comfortable outside with the blanket on. 




Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

TERRI JENNINGS
 

Sorry. I don’t know the name but Dr. Kellon sent it in an email to my vet with the other Invokana info. I never dealt directly with the pharmacy. My vet’s office did. 



--
Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: Request from Dr Kellon for feedback on Riosa's blood - should I be concerned

hdavis
 

Hello Sherry,

just to clarify she is blanketed and will be keeping her blanketed as she seems to do better when she is. So do you mean I still adjust for feeding with temps and windchill of blanketed too? ¬†You mentioned she might be fine ‚Äėas is‚Äô and she enter to clarify she is blanketed.¬†
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: End of Year Message

Shera Felde
 

I am so grateful to have this forum for support and information. Laminitis can be very lonely and extremely scary.
--
Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720


Re: Gavis sudden spike in insulin and acth,Help!

Tara Smith
 

Hi Dr kellon ,not a recent urine test ,i miss it every time just a curreny kidney test last week .We did just do 1 dose of ivermectin the big boys had a load of 37 vet office said to dose then when vet came out the day after i dosed she said i didnt have to!Do I continue 3 week rotation of ivermectin or us 1 ok for now?Sometimes I wet hay ,I will start doing that everyday now ,he is on a tsp and .5 of pure jherb ,is laminox better ?What is pacific gravity please?and how much more pracend should I add in?Should I put him back on the pracend brand name and not compounded or do you think they are very comparable, it from pet health pharmacies. I WILL get urine today if it takes all day!
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Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Re: Request from Dr Kellon for feedback on Riosa's blood - should I be concerned

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Heather,

For insulin you get into the danger zone of laminitis with a result of over 80 uIu/mL.  I'm not sure if there's a specific glucose associated with elevated risk of laminitis as well, I just always keep that insulin number in mind. 

If she doesn't want to go into the shelter I'd say that's a good sign that she's comfortable 'as-is' but you could still adjust to temps/windchill for feeding.




Re: Steglatro trial

Sherry Morse
 

From the bit of quick Googling I just did it's one of the 3 medications in the same class (Invokana and Velagliflozin being the other 2) that can be used and Velagliflozin has been studied in horses (https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-019-1811-2) but isn't available for purchase.  It doesn't sound like it would be any cheaper than Invokana at this point, but it'd be nice if they decided to study both to see if one worked better than the other :-)




Re: Mule with laminitis

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Renee,

You'll get a full welcome message shortly and probably already got the information on completing a case history but a couple of questions we need answers to in order to help you:

Is your mule IR and/or PPID?  Do you have bloodwork results for glucose, insulin, ACTH?  How long has your mule been showing signs of laminitis?  What is the horse half of his/her breeding (some breeds are more prone to IR/PPID and I would think this extends to mules with those breeds as well).  What is the current diet? What does the current trim look like?  What is the current treatment being done for the laminitis?

The answers to those questions (all of which ultimately need to go into a case history) will help us get you pointed in the right direction for how to get your guy/girl feeling better.




Re: Request from Dr Kellon for feedback on Riosa's blood - should I be concerned

hdavis
 

Thanks Dr Kellon.  That’s a relief. We are under some brutal temps now with -33C last night and today and tonight - 37C with windchill.  Plus we got a foot and half of snow so she is trudging through deep snow until we get the pens cleared.

I have been keeping her in socks, boots and shipping wraps but this am with the deeper snow I added bags over the socks to keep them from getting wet until I get her pen cleared. Maybe not ideal but should be ok for the short term I am hoping.

Just got info’s sake what are the safe ranges for insulin and glucose for an IR horse? I tried to find it by searching and found a lot of messages but not that really outlined the ranges?

Will keep an eye on her and so far no indication of lameness.  Fat deposits are good as well.  She is a bit spooky and silly but perhaps due more to the winter storm.  I fed her according to temps with windchill as she didn’t want to go in her shed much with the storm. But maybe I should not do that if she is blanketed?  Thoughts?

I should also mention I added in l-arginine for the cold winter now.  Thanks again!!


Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Urgent Vinnies acute mild laminitis

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Mule with laminitis

allcreaturesgr8@...
 



Hello, 

A friend recommended your site as way to get help with my mule's laminitis. 

I'm looking for confirmation. Am I in the right place?

Renee

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet

--
Renee R in CO 2020


Re: Urgent Vinnies acute mild laminitis

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

P.S.  Remember too he has extensive arthritis changes in P2 at the pastern joint which could certainly cause pain (although obviously not sole tenderness).
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001