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Re: threadworms/ dr kellon if possible
While you wait for Dr Kellon, for a little self-help, see this file on EC Housekeeping about neck threadworm.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Horsekeeping/files/-What%20to%20do%20about%20Culicoid%20Sensitivity.pdf Also this file cautioning about praziquantel, which was in Ivermection Gold. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Deworming/Praziquantel%20Precaution.pdf -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos
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Re: jesse. increased urination?
Is this expected of horses on Invokana?
BO is probably concerned about the cost of extra bedding and ammonia odor. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos
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Re: threadworms/ dr kellon if possible
celestinefarm
Daisy,
Cushing's horses have reduced/altered immunity to just about everything, so it is not surprising that Tiko is having reactions. What does your vet want you to use bute for? The majority of folks on here do not use Zimecterin Gold to worm their Cushing's horses as it does seem to provoke more reactions in the general horse population, much less in Cushing's horses. Also, prazinquantel, the "gold" part of it can increase insulin in other species. If insulin is well controlled, you can consider using Equimax instead, as it doesn't seem to cause the reactions in horses like Zimercterin Gold. Or , you can use a month's worth of Strongid C to get tapeworms. When you are not worming for tapeworms, then just use a plain ivermectin. I follow Dr.Kellon's recommendations to worm with ivermectin every 21-28 days and make sure I get the full dose in to prevent resistance development. Allergies...if you use the search function, you'll find lots of reading here on allergies. The group suggests trying chondroitin and spirulina to reduce reactions and balance the immune response. If that doesn't seem to help, you can try some commercial products. Dr.Kellon's suggestions are in these articles. https://uckele.com/articles/how-can-i-support-a-horse-with-hives/ https://uckele.com/articles/spring-sneezies-coughs-and-itchies/ I have found this works the best for a mare I own who was rubbing her mane and tail out and scratching constantly. I tried the Uckele products on her, (which had worked on my other horses, but didn't on her) https://www.platinumperformance.com/horses/horse-conditions/horse-allergy-support The problem is if you can't place supplements in the feed, then you will need to mix them in something like applesauce and syringe it in. It goes without saying that preventing bug bites is the first line of defense. Fans in stalls and barns, fly sheets and hoods, flymasks , and using flyspray (that doesn't cause a reaction itself) is paramount. Having the horse inside during peak bug times is really best. A balanced diet will go a long way, as will Omega 3's in the form of flax, flax oil, etc. is also helpful. -- Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary Saline, MI 2003 Tipperary Case History
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Re: IR and breed
Kristen,
You didn't mention this, but if finances allow, I would also get a large animal blood panel to have as a baseline. I wish I'd had one for my Cayuse and hasn't waited until she was IR/PPID. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos
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Re: Thinning jaw bones?
Linda, when I first read your post the other day, I thought you meant thinning of the jawbone to mean loss of bone calcium and I wondered how you determined that. Now I see that that’s probably not at all what you meant but maybe you could elaborate just in case? My pony gelding, who’s in his mid 30’s and PPID, just lost a tooth in his stall the other day. The grinding surface was worn completely down but the root was basically intact. With PPID and even just age, the muscles and ligaments in the jaw begin to waste and chewing will be more difficult and less effective. Maybe this muscle wasting is what you’re perceiving as thinning?
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Martha and Logo
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threadworms/ dr kellon if possible
Daisy Shepherd
-- does anyone have info for allergies and or neck threadworms?? my 31year old cushings horse always has bug allergies, this year really bad. HE WILL NOT TAKE ANYTHING IN HIS SMALL AMOUNT OF GRAIN, BELIEVE ME. i syringe in his compounded pergolide and previcox, my vet wants to use bute which i must syringe in; had a major reaction after his spring dewormer with ivermectin gold; any suggestions greatly appreciated; if it is threadworms, can it pass to other horses with insect bites? thank you, daisy and tiko -- Daisy, Tiko and Whisper CO, April 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0
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Re: jesse. increased urination?
Yes. I just reached out to the previous Barn manager and he does agree that Jesse has always urinated more than the other horses. So I’m not thinking this is a change to concern myself with. Long live jesse
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: IR and breed
Sherry Morse
Hi Kristen, Yes, PREs can be prone to IR so the fact that you'll be feeding her along the ECIR guidelines from the start is a good thing. Doing bloodwork now would give you a baseline into where she's at right now, but it's not going to tell you what may happen in the future. I'm not sure how your pasture situation is different than where she is currently but for your peace of mind you may want to do the baseline bloodwork and use that to decide if you want to muzzle her, keep her on a dry lot or let her have free access to pasture.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Re: Working out Hay Amounts for Mini's Diet
Sherry Morse
Hi Lynn, I'm going to measure ours tomorrow and I'll let you know how much they are for sure (and also how tall they are for sure). They're on grass a few hours every other day and my best guess on hay would be about 6lbs each a day (they get a flake of grass hay split between them morning and night). Thanks so much for getting the photos moved! To update your signature: 1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub 3) IMPORTANT: Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Re: jesse. increased urination?
LJ, when does the barn owner say this started? When Jesse arrived?
-- Lorna in Eastern Ontario
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jesse. increased urination?
Barn owner let me know that Jesse is urinating twice as much as all the other horses. I don’t know if this is a new development since I last brought him here or I didn’t notice etc. What should I be looking for? The usual?
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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IR and breed
kguest@...
Hi,
I have a new horse coming in. She's a 7 year old PRE, which I think means could be genetically prone to IR. I am wondering is there a way to find out if she's IR before something goes wrong? She's not had any issues, but she also is not on significant pasture where she lives. Will bloodwork give me insight into her metabolism broadly speaking, or only into the state of her metabolism at the moment of the blood draw? She'll be fed like my other horses (so ECIR diet) but should she be kept on a dry lot proactively? -- Kristen and Jasper, Prince George BC December 2016 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kristen%20and%20Jasper . Jasper Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3346 .
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Re: Updated CH - Scotty Labs
Deb Walker
Thanks Laura :)
-- Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619
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Re: Thinning jaw bones?
In addition to what Sherry said, excessive floating throughout a horse’s life may cause the teeth to ‘run out’ faster. Just a piece of history to consider.
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On May 27, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...> wrote:
-- Joule Tallman Barefoot Trimmer Saskatchewan, Canada 🇨🇦 Member since 2019
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Re: Updated CH - Scotty Labs
gypsylassie
I've had good luck with the basic APF with Chappie, fwiw. I received the APF Pro by mistake once, decided to try it and just paid the difference. It made Chappie more "reactive", spookier. He must be sensitive to that
type of thing because Chaste Tree Berry had the same reactive/spooky effect. But he is fine with the regular APF.
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL
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Re: Working out Hay Amounts for Mini's Diet
lynnc66
Hi Sherry, The tallest mini is 9.1 hands, and the others are one to two inches shorter.
Would you say 300 lbs is the ideal weight for your minis? I'm interested to hear how much you feed them?
Also, today I moved my photo album to the Case History subgroup, and deleted the album in the Main group. Could you please tell me how to find the signature editor to add this link for the photo album?
Thank you,
Lynn Cox
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Re: Updated CH - Scotty Labs
Deb Walker
Thank you all. Scotty has not gone off eating, but he is still lethargic. Vet was out today to do final vaccination and teeth. She noted he had lost some weight in the past 3 weeks. We finally came up with the answer...I had been weaning him off of beet pulp. So back to R/S/R routine for all of his feedings. I'll update his CH soon to include the added amounts, but basically back to what he had been getting.
I am ready to order APF...but now I'm confused as to which of their 3 products would be suggested for Scotty based on his CH. I will wait to order until I get a response, as I want to do the right thing. Thank you. -- Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619
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Re: ACTH Testing - exercise?
Hi Jodie --
See paragraph that starts, "The horse should not be fed any grain prior to testing." It follows: The horse should not be exercised prior to testing" referring to Glucose, Insulin and Leptin. Based on Dr Kellon's response tt it also effects ACTH, we will update to add that when next reviewing website. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2019-2020 Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 23 - 25, Harrisburg, PA
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Re: Working out Hay Amounts for Mini's Diet
Good work Lynn.
Glad it is only 40 days worth. You could send in a sample of the hay and do just ESC and maybe starch. Or you could soak. Side-by-side testing has shown ESC can be as much as 20% (or Support Team -- is it 30%?) so you could be closer to 8% ESC. You may know this. If she's not laminitic that's a good thing. Excellent on separation! -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2019-2020 Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 23 - 25, Harrisburg, PA
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Re: ACTH Testing - exercise?
ACTH, insulin and glucose all show dramatic shifts with exercise. These should all be back to baseline within 4 hours but to keep testing conditions comparable it's best not to exercise before sampling on testing days.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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