Hi, Cindy.
I have little to add. Like Martha, in these videos on hard ground, I detect a slight look of guardedness. That's about as much as you can expect with some horses in discomfort. She is following the body movements of the person leading her, pony club leading technique.  A loose lead is not always easy to do with a fit athletic horse on lay-up. It can take a few tries for the horse to settle. OTOH, reluctance to move forward can be a sign of pain (or confusion).

I don't expect both front legs to always track perfectly straight. It's so very nice when it happens, but it's not universal. My paint who has three different angles between the knee and the ground on her LF. Trimming cannot and should not try to change that. Once the medial-lateral balance of the trim is right, the horse does the compensation, not the trimmer.

I didn't see anything particular behind. She tracks up nicely. Gauging evenness on a circle can be hard with just a few seconds of video. 
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Kathie, it's great that you are working so hard to get Target comfortable. I don't see any photos more recent than last summer. Am I missing seeing new ones?
The summer 2019 photos appear to have frogs below the level of the sole. There are deep cracks at the back of the heels. Is it possible Target has an ongoing infection in the frogs and heels? What are those parts like at present?
Maybe Lavinia can comment on this: I am just another owner trying to learn by others' experience. Following Target's journey to comfort.

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Hello

My Shetland pony Wixie is doing better. The farrier trimmed her 2 weeks ago and ordered turn out during the day plus walking her in hand for about 500 meters. She has improved dramatically. I am trying to wean her off of bute but this unfortunately doesn't work yet. Today I had an acupuncture and magnetic blanket session for her to help her muscles and it seems to work well as well.

Today I have uploaded haylage and grass pellets analysis. It is in Swedish but hopefully it is not too complicated to understand. 'Socker' means sugar and it is WSC. Haylage is 9.2% WSC and grass pellets is 6.2% WSC. These two products are the best I can get at the moment (its very hard to get low sugar hay where I live). Currently I am feeding 2 kg grass pellets (weighted dry) soaked, 1 kg haylage, 0.5 kg straw. On the top of it the pony gets magnesium oxide, zinc, devils claw powder, boswellia concentrate, vitamin E and bute.

Thank you for your input

Anna, Sweden 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anna%20and%20Wixie

 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241413

I would appreciate input on the amounts and how to balance her feed.
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Anna, Sweden, 2020

Lavinia,

Should I expect to get the markups through email? Thanks.
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Leah
Ohio
2019

Scooter's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leah%20and%20Scooter
Scooter's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=240467

Is it common for resp & HR to be elevated in acute laminitis, or is this an indication that there is something else going on? I have been hands on with many chronic laminitis cases, but few of any in acute crisis. Other signs are there: shortened stride, shifting weight frequently, seeking soft ground, bounding DP (all 4 feet), hanging back from the herd, somewhat depressed. Gums are pink, hydration & gut sounds are good.

Thanks,

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Joule Tallman
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Saskatchewan, Canada 🇨🇦
Member since 2019

Hi!

For a non IR horse, how fast are ACTH and high insulin related to PPID expected to be lowered once in the correct dose of pergolide? I mean once the horse is in the right dose of pergolide, ACTH and insulin lower inmediately from one day to another or do they need some weeks?

Thank you.
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
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(9-35) pg/ml. Result 147 
so this means Cushings 
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Mandi Lozier
Big Piney wy
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241157
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Casino%20And%20Mandi

Mandi,

It's clearly positive and he'll benefit from pergolide but we've seen them much higher, even over 1000. Depends on the units though.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Hello,

I gave Riosa a 1/2 mg pill yesterday and then gave her a 1/2 mg pill this am of Prascend.  She is eating and drinking still but still shifting weight on all 4’s in the am when I fed her as well as when I went out to check on her again about half an hour ago.  She is barely able to walk around and seems very stiff on her hinds to me more than her fronts.  I don’t feel any bounding pulses at all on any of her legs.  Her crest is rock hard again. Was softer in am but hard now again. Both eyes were running but now dried up it seems.  Her udder doesn’t have as much fill in front of it in the am or pm.  Udder remains small just seems to fill in front of it but not much there right now either.

I gave her the j herb, chondroitin and spirulina that the normally gets in am along with 4 Oz of flax, vitamin E, 8 grams of Magnesium and 1 tablespoon of salt (will give second one later today in the supps again).  

Is there anything else I can do for her as she seems so sore?  I didn’t give bute as wasn’t sure about that and just stuck with j herb.  Perhaps I shouldn’t have given it either.  

When should I start to see some effect from the Prascend?  I will do another day at 1/2 mg then go up to 1 mg.  

Should I keep her in a smaller area to stop her from moving around?  

I had my hay retested and hoping to get the results back by tomorrow but am thinking it wasn’t the hay at all as it was tested and was more of a prolactin issue as you mentioned earlier. 
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

 Photos

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0  .


Storm

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LJ,
I use apple flavored Durvet Ivermectin 1.87% and have for quite a few years. It's inexpensive, available at most tack and big box farm stores, and the horses like it . It's an apple flavored gel , small syringe and easy to administer. For horses that are tough to get a syringe in their mouth, you can mix it in some feed and I've never had a hose refuse it. It's made by Bimeda, in Ontario Canada and approved here by the FDA.  
IMO, you still want to know where your horse's supplements and drugs are coming from , because the FDA isn't supervising every batch of wormer, drugs etc. that is produced. They are simply spot testing and then after the fact, if there's a problem , they issue a recall. 
https://www.durvet.com/product/ivermectin-paste/

I feel comfortable with their manufacturing facility in Ontario. 
-- https://www.bimedamtc.com/ju-directory/2-bimeda-global-facilities

As Dr. Kellon said, most of the advertised well known brands with slick glossy magazine and internet ads have the same amount of active ingredient. I just don't see why you should pay $7.95 for ivermectin when you can pay $2.95-$3.95 for the same quality product without the advertising. Your BO is correct. 

Make sure that the expiration date is not close and my own personal preference is that I get it from somewhere that is climate controlled, i.e. not a tiny old feed store that is not air conditioned and you're blowing the dust off the boxes. ( I just did that at the feed store where I get my shavings, LOL.( Handed the boxes to the owner and showed him the expired dates on the boxes).

Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .

Just got acth test back on my horses. It’s a 147. Test says very high. 
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Mandi Lozier
Big Piney wy
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241157
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Casino%20And%20Mandi

I'm sure the LF is weary, and with the very poor connections it's at risk of sinking and/or rotating under the strain.

Diet definitely needs work. In addition to the mineral imbalances the protein is deficient. Her immune system strength and ability to heal are compromised.

It would be wise to recheck ACTH and insulin.

Soaking would be helpful but difficult with her down. Are you wrapping the hoof in plastic wrap?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Glory is on week 4 of poulticing her RF.  There are two abscess exit holes.  One lateral to the tip of the frog in her sole.  The other in the crack of the heel midway up.  Both seem to still be draining pus.  She is still in extreme pain.  Not putting any weight on the RF.  Her last day of bute was 2/26. She is down most of the time.  Gets up to eat and drink some.  Shouldnt she be getting some relief by now?  I know Im supposed to leave the sole alone and let the abscess take its course but is it time to take more drastic measures?  

Her LF is starting to show signs of bothering her.  I got her boot off when she was down and didnt see any abscess activity as of yet.  Could the LF just be very weary from carrying the load?  As are her hinds!

I am trying to get new xrays done.  Vet and farrier both on vacation.  Do I need to be concerned that a nerve block done to get xrays and trim could cause Glory to put to much weight on that RF and cause more sinking of the coffin bone?  With the abscess hole in her sole Im a bit freaked out about that happening.

Sorry Ive hit that "don't know what to do" zone again!  Thank you for your support!!

On a good note, I got my mineral balancing done and am on the path for a better diet for Glo.

Jeanne Q MN 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jeanne%20&%20Glory
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241360

My farrier does not take sole, especially on Target. She usually is very careful with the trim and takes very little off. Target does not seem to grow much hoof right now. I did have a new farrier look at her feet and she was horriffed at how small the foot was for a big horse. It measured 2 and 3/4 of an inch. She wanted to put a shoe on it right away to give her some support, which I didn't let her do. You say being in boots is ok if they make Target comfortable, they do not, she struggles to even walk out of her stall. When she tries to turn around she backs up and drags her front feet until she can manage to get the front feet to turn. It is more than just being careful when turning, she just cannot step to the side and turn. What pictures did you look at? I had new ones taken Feb 12 2020, but am not sure they got posted right. I will have new xrays taken when I pay off the blood test bill, it is really expensive here on the Island! Thanks for the suggestions. It is really hard to see her always hurting, 3 years is a long time for a horse. My farrier is moving and I am looking for a new one who at least can trim properly. This farrier I have now is an ECIR recommended one, Maggie told me about. We don't have much choice here on the Island.
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Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
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That is adequate for a horse up to 1500 lbs or so in winter but not if exercising and not in hot weather.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

The quality and dosage of all products is regulated by the FDA. All you are paying for with brand name products is packaging and advertising.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Cindy
Not commenting on this pretty girls landing but I just have to say every time I see your post’s I chuckle, for the longest time I thought Kevin was a he, she’s beautiful and it’s been a pleasure to see her progress.
I have to say though, when I play your videos in the “slow-mo” i swear I hear a lion in the background 😊
Someone or something has a low roar voice !


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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821

My Rocky Mountain, who is as good and non spooky as they come did seem to startle or react to things he never would normally react to while I tried chasteberry with him... I don’t know if the Chasteberry had that effect, or if there was some other reason, but the Chasteberry didn’t seem to have any positive impact on his hair shedding and his ACTH is normal on is Prascend 1mg, and he’s other wise healthy, so I’ve taken him off te Chasteberry and have no more ‘irrational’ reactivity to things that might pop up.  I cannot say it was the Chasteberry or a coincidence but I lay it out there...
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Karen and Luke 

May 1 2017

Northern California

 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Luke

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5921

The one thing I noted is that she does not seem very forward on the longe line.  This is hard to reconcile with her described exuberance on the lead line.  It also makes it more difficult (for me) to analyze imbalances.  Maybe she still isn’t sure of what’s expected of her and I certainly wouldn’t push her to be more forward.  Just thought I would mention that.
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Andrea, your mentioning that Tasman was spooky when he had active Lyme brings up something I thought I might share.  Twenty years ago, I had a horse which we treated for Lyme, apparently successfully, but we retreated him twice again over the next five or so years.  His symptoms returned, we put him back on doxy and they subsided again for a few years.  The vets weren’t convinced it was a repeat Lyme infection but, at that time, we did not realize that ticks carry other similar diseases as well.  Whatever caused the symptoms we observed was responsive to doxy so, when they reappeared, we retreated.
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