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Re: 2nd request Metformin

Amy
 

Sorry.  I tried to tag my other post.  Didn't work.

My original question was does metformin work short term or long term?  It did work at the beginning,  will it be a life long thing or is there a point where it stops working and I take him off?  Do I wean him off or?
Thanks 
--
- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

Stormy, Case History, Photo Album

 


Re: 2nd request Metformin

Amy
 

Asking again.  Metformin has worked for my guy, but I'm wondering if it will continue?

Planning on new bloodwork in the near future.  I'd love for it to work, but starting to see a Cresty neck (slowly) again, even though diet is extremely tight and exercise is continuing.   

Thanks 
--
- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

Stormy, Case History, Photo Album

 


Relevante's Trim Delayed A Week - Will That Cause Damage?

Lynn
 

Relevante's trim (he is trimmed every 4 weeks) was scheduled for tomorrow but my farrier let me know he's been down for the count for the last couple weeks because he got kicked in the back of the head. I don't have the equipment, skills or time to do it myself. Juggling 2 jobs, and care of my 87-year-old Mom that just had inner ear surgery and my 89-year-old Dad that can't see very well or hear. I posted photos of Relevante's feet in his photo album that i took today. Some are dark and some aren't far enough away but i was sort of in a hurry because i didn't want to leave my Mom for too long so i apologize in advance. Will it cause any damage to his feet to wait another week which puts us at 5 weeks? We are still in the slow process of moving the heels back...I rode him Saturday through standing poles, around barrels and over ground poles at a walk then we gaited on the straight, long walls of the arena...he did great and today exhibited zero soreness of any kind. We're also working on shoulder in, shoulder out exercises from the ground right now for his topline. Thanks for any advice about what does or does not happen when a trim is delayed.
--
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Bloodwork and possible error

Nancy C
 

Hi Kandice

Not Dr Kellon, but here are a few messages that may help with your questions

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/2251774

Hope this helps

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Test results after Metformin

Cindy Giovanetti
 

I have uploaded new pictures of Oden. Would love feedback on his body score.

Cindy


--
Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125


Re: Bloodwork and possible error

Kandee Rockett
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon!

 

That’s what I suspected. 

I still don’t understand the insulin #s    Cornell’s normal range is 10-40.  How do they determine those #s and why different from what is recommended on this site?  What is considered normal?

 

I do have her on 1mg Prascend and I’m following diet protocol except for the unsoaked hay.  I tried to get her to eat soaked coastal again last night with no success.  I will try soaking 30 min instead of 1 hr.   Dry lot not an option at this point.  She’s not foot sore or showing signs of laminitis and gets trimmed every 4 weeks by a farrier who specializes in treating metabolic horses.

She is still recovering from a check ligament injury so hand walking is the only exercise she gets right now.  I’m hoping riding will improve the insulin   (Hopefully get to start in about 1 mo….but probably won’t be strenuous enough to be significant for a few months).

 

 

Thank you again,

Kandice and TWH Mare Bunny

North Central TX, joined 2/2019


--
Thanks,
Kandice and TWH Mare  Bunny
North Central TX  joined 2/19

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandice%20and%20Bunny


Re: Bloodwork and possible error

Sherry Morse
 

The ACTH rising when it should be dropping combined with the frequent urination and long hair is a good sign that her dose of Prascend needs to be bumped up IMO.  




Re: Bloodwork and possible error

 

Odd that the ACTH increased between October and December, when you’d expect it to be dropping.
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Test results after Metformin

Cindy Giovanetti
 

I’m confident I can get mine moving with timed feeders (very small, frequent meals) in the four corners.

--
Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125


Re: Test results after Metformin

Joanne Jordan
 

Hi Cindy,

Hope you get lots of movement on your track. We've had one up for 5 years now, around 4 acres, up and down hills, with water on one end and every conceivable hay set up and still they gobble their allotted hay, then stand close to the hay barn the rest  the time. I'd not keep them any other way but at least in our experience, our 2 obese-prone IR geldings do not move nearly as much as I was led to believe. 
--
Joanne Jordan in Olympia, WA 2019
Gusto case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joanne%20and%20Gusto
Gusto photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=237686 


Re: Test results after Metformin

Cindy Giovanetti
 

Yes, I am controlling the amount that they eat. They are getting 1.5% of their ideal body weight in Triple Crown balance cubes, split into seven meals a day.  (“They” includes my fat miniature donkey). They have been at this rate for perhaps four months.

They absolutely will walk more when the track is open because I’m going to put feeders at the far corners.  Will they walk 20 miles? No I’m sure they won’t. But they will hunt for food.

I’ll put some current pictures in his photo file. His girth measurement is down from 85 inches to 80.5 inches in not quite a year.

Cindy

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Re: Test results after Metformin

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

If your track is still 250 feet they have to go over it 20 times to cover just 1 mile. No guarantee he will move around enough to influence insulin.  His insulin is still in the red danger zone for laminitis. Your choice.

Is he still that fat? How are you controlling how much he eats?
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Bloodwork and possible error

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, glucose is fragile. I'd ignore this value.

Both this insulin and the previous one were abnormal. It might be higher from the unsoaked hay, or the grazing, or the temperatures, or any of those.

Personally  I would strongly suspect PPID and if  PU/PD still obvious it's not well controlled.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Test results after Metformin

Cindy Giovanetti
 

Oden's bloodwork looks better (but still bad) after being on a half dose of Metformin for about three weeks.  (His case history is up to date.)  

He nearly colicked after his first dose of Metformin, so after that, I started with one pill a day and increased by one pill a day until we got up to a half a dose, which is 16 pills, split into two feedings.  Once we got up to the half dose, it was about three weeks before the vet came out to draw blood.

Since I started the program, his Insulin as fluctuated from 60 to 196 ulU/mL.  It is now at 118.

Since I started the program, his glucose has dropped from 120 to 90 mg/dL.

ACTH is normal, thank God.  Leptin is varied from 17-28 ng/mL.  It is now at 23, which is high.

Here's my question:  I kind of want to stay at this half dose.  I'm putting in a track, and I anticipate his walking will increase significantly in the next few months.  

Is there any hope that the anticipated increased exercise will make a significant difference?  Or should I go ahead and get him on the full dose of Metformin as soon as possible?

--
Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125


Re: Urgent advice please. Think I overdosed Savannah with pergoloide.

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Pat,

Here is a Canadian supplier that sells Cocosoya online:

https://www.pleasantridge.ca/index.php/cocosoya.html

The price looks reasonable to me...

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Bloodwork and possible error

Kandee Rockett
 

Good morning Dr. Kellon and ECIR Group,

Mare's recent bloodwork results ---feel like there's an error--glucose 69 
Initial blood draw 12/27/19--Sample was stored at vet's office for about 7 days before being sent due to the ACTH vial breaking and having to re-draw blood for the ACTH on 1/2/20. The original metabolic panel blood was then sent with the new ACTH sample at the same time.  Cornell received 1/3/20.   My vet reassured me that the red blood cells were separated and stored properly according the Cornell protocol (think frozen ??) 

 My ?s are: Does glucose deteriorate quickly? Could this be the reason it was 69?  Does it matter or should I just go by the insulin #s ? Should I be concerned about her insulin almost doubling even though it's still within the normal range?   Can I use a glucometer like people use to test her blood sugar? (I read something about this on ecir group.  Have to get sample from nostril area and not as accurate ????)    According to calculator--Oct.--she made it to compromised IR @ a 5  Now she's back to uncompromised IR @ a 2      My vet is okay with these bloodwork results and doesn't adhere to compromised, etc. info --didn't address the unusually low glucose.  

I had bloodwork done in Dec. because Bunny quit eating the soaked coastal so I've been giving her un-soaked C. for about 2 mo.  Our hay has not been tested so I'm trying to determine if it is safe for her to eat without soaking.    Un-soaked coastal only change in feed.  She also has access to more of her pasture area since 11/27, but still wears grazing muzzle (taller, dead grass on other side of electric wire--don't think she can get to lower near-the-stem grass due to taped muzzle holes which are small).  She has managed to get a small amt of green winter grass with her muzzle----but very little.

Here's the last 2 bloodwork results for comparison:
The Dec. sample was drawn between 9:30-10 am  She had access to un-soaked coastal and timothy until midnight and began eating only c. and timothy hay again at about 6:20 am.
Oct. 14                                     Dec. 27
Insulin       18.24                     34.66
Glucose    95                          69
Leptin       15.29                      13.15
ACTH       29.7                       35.0  
T4             2.72                       1.83
Has been on 1mg Prascend since July 2019 but has always tested within norm range--highest being 36.5  in Jan., 2019  
  She has freq thirst/urination, had swollen udders but not since on Prascend, hair longest since I've owned her, lethargy, had loose stools--not now, etc.    Vet does not think she's PPID 

Appreciate any input.

Thanks,
Kandice and TWH Mare  Bunny
North Central TX  joined 2/19

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandice%20and%20Bunny


Re: Urgent advice please. Think I overdosed Savannah with pergoloide.

Lorna Cane
 

Pat, unless something has changed ( possible of course) , Uckele does ship some products to Canada.
Cocosoya is one.
Best to contact them and ask which products they can get across the border,and which dealers carry them.
You may have to get X  shipped to you from a Canadian dealer, but still.....

--

Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002


 


Re: Urgent advice please. Think I overdosed Savannah with pergoloide.

Pat Gauvreau <pgauvreau@...>
 

Bonnie
i wish I could get cocosoya locally but the feed stores don’t carry them and when I’ve tried to buy some of the products mentioned on this group on-line I find out they don’t ship to Canada. Even Ukulele doesn’t ship to Canada. It must be the ingredients causing customs to disallow. 
--
Pat and Savannah
Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
January 2018 

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Savannah
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22028&p=pcreated,,,50,2,0,0


Re: Urgent advice please. Think I overdosed Savannah with pergoloide.

Pat Gauvreau <pgauvreau@...>
 

Lorna
Thanks for the link to the abbreviation list. I printed it so it will be very helpful in future. 

--
Pat and Savannah
Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
January 2018 

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Savannah
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22028&p=pcreated,,,50,2,0,0