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Re: Isoxsuprine

jessica skene
 

Hi Lorna!

Thank you so much! everyone in this group have been of a great support! with advice but also for my mental breakdown looking at my mare suffer like crazy! Many people in my life just hited on me... like it was entirely my fault, and I wasn't doing enough bla bla bla! on the other hand there was the one saying I was starving my mare because she had a grazing muzzle... I was really devastated (not mentionning I was in the early days of my depression). I was hard! geez... how hard it was... finally it was winter and cold that was the culprit ... not me! And even tho, I was really trying my best to do everything in my power, when in boarding, to controle the environment of my mare.

The last winter laminitis was way easier than the last one and I was even able to ride her normally this summer and to compete in fall!!!!!! How cool is that hey!
She is doing really well now!! and I hope that with the prevention (covering her all winter) she will do no laminitis this year!

Thank you all SO MUCH for all you help and your support! Now I try to do the same, I started a FB group in french to try my best helping people from quebec, many of which do not speak english enough to be able to understand what's on your website or FB page. So I do my best to help them with all I learned from here (always talking about ECIR of course and telling when the information come from you!)

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Jessica Skene  - Abitibi, Québec, Canada
Sonara => Canadian X QH mare , 13 years old, historic of founder and suspicion of IR

october 2017

Link to case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/SonaraCaseHistory.pdf
Link to album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10295&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Link to hay analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/analysedefoin.pdf


Re: Side effects of Prascend (replying to Martha) was Re: APF not working

 

Hi Tanna,
If I said anything that led you believe I feel you’ve made mistakes in caring for your horse, please know that nothing is further from the case.  I would have done exactly as you have, especially during the many years I boarded.  Chastising oneself for perceived mistakes only uses energy and focus that could be better spent on a learning experience.  Besides, this group does NOT subscribe to the tenet that beating one’s self up is good.


I just wanted wanted to let you (and others) know that I think I might see a pattern, but only because I have seen a similar pattern with Logo.  Like a cloud, it’s much easier to see once you’re beyond it. 

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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Dream needs help

hjh50@...
 

Dream is a MFT gelding that I got in April. In September his feet got sore and the farrier noticed that he had a crested neck and fat pads on his shoulders and around his tail. He got to where he wouldn't lead or walk any more than he had to. He has been on pasture 24/7 since I got him. I had his teeth floated September 20, and radiographs done October 3. All four feet have laminitis. The blood work came back with a notation from the Cornell endocrinologist that based off of these results that Dream likely has Cushing's (not Equine Metabolic Syndrome).  I have not had the  TRH stim test done to confirm that. He shows no signs of Cushings, but does have the characteristics of IR. I don't have a dependable vet in my area. I am in a farming community and the vets specialize in cattle, not horses. Once the radiographs were done, my farrier did a short trim on him and told me about ECIR. I have been reading everything I can but am lost in the weeds at this time. He is on the emergency diet and has been doing really well. Yesterday I let him out with a muzzle for an hour with the other horses and once he rolled and bucked and ran like crazy just to be free, he tried grazing with the others. This morning when I went out to feed him it seems that all four feet are sore again and he looks very unhappy. I'm afraid that I caused a big problem by letting him be a horse with the others. I know he can't stay on the emergency diet forever. I have a load of hay coming this week so have not had a chance to test it yet. I have been soaking hay, but when it gets really cold the water ices up, so he gets it dry. I try to keep him in Easy Ride RX boots, but he kicks them off quite often, or they slip and are not balanced on his feet. I am at a loss as to where to go from here. Any help would be a blessing!
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Harriet Hargrave
Carrollton, Missouri
November 9, 2019


Re: Prevacox. Higher doses

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

At this point your focus should be on pain control and slowing joint breakdown as much as possible. I would suggest Phyto-Quench pellets and you can double or triple the dose safely when required https://uckele.com/phyto-quench-pellet.html . If she needs more help try adding 15 g/day of MSM.  Capsa-Cream can provide local relief of pain on bad days https://uckele.com/capsa-cream.html . Get a 5% discount with coupon code ECIR.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Mad Barn AminoTrace+ reviews requested

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just a note that Dr. Clougher worked with Mad Barn to fine tune this supplement to align well with regional hay mineral problems.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Mad Barn AminoTrace+ reviews requested

jessica skene
 

Hi Jodi

I personnaly use this supplément for about a year now.

My mare is now pitch black! no more redness in her hair now. She is healthy, have a super shiny coat (even tho she had a nice coat before, she is shinier now)
She is super difficult with food now that I tried to pass her some medication in it in the past, she is now super suspicious to every new taste. She normally eat it fine, but sometimes she is like nope... but every other horses at the barn like it... I think the problem come from my princess of mare and not from the taste of the supplement itself hehe. The service at mad barn is excellent, and their delivery is fast and good! I never had any trouble with service or quality, and even tho it's a bit complicated to make my mare eat it sometimes, it worth the effort as she is super healthy on this supplement. 
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Jessica Skene  - Abitibi, Québec, Canada
Sonara => Canadian X QH mare , 13 years old, historic of founder and suspicion of IR

october 2017

Link to case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/SonaraCaseHistory.pdf
Link to album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10295&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Link to hay analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/analysedefoin.pdf


Re: Star, rapid decline

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

Your first instinct about more stocking up may have been right.  As a quick check for DSLD pain, see how she reacts to having the hind fetlocks flexed - first the good side. If no reaction, probably  stocking up. If suspicious, you can find the group here https://groups.io/g/DSLD-equine/messages but you should also have a full lameness exam including neurological and a rectal.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Prevacox. Higher doses

Claire Gilmore
 

“…and if it involves a joint at this point that can be addressed as well.

Can anyone suggest what search terms I might use to find information to address arthritis in a hip joint due to traumatic injury which occurred possibly a decade or two ago in a 35-year old gelding?

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Claire Gilmore
Nacogdoches, TX 
joined 3/28/2019
Case history folder: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Claire%20G%20and%20horses
Photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=88371


Star, rapid decline

jasperandstarsmom@yahoo.com
 

Star has been rapidly declining, especially the past month. She has had an intermittent hind leg lameness, and shortened hind leg stride over the summer that we thought was hock arthritis. Vet wanted an Equioxx trial, which I reluctantly started a month ago when Star just plain stopped moving around at all. She improved for a few days after being on it a week, but has gradually lost the ability to canter, then to trot with compulsion, then "western Jog" (this horse has never jogged), hind legs giving out at jog, then unwilling to jog and hind legs giving out at walk. Her fetlocks have been puffy, but I thought for a while that it was more severe stocking up from less activity. She is brighter on the Equioxx, but it certainly isn't stopping this decline. I am suspicious of dsld or something else at work, in addition to the arthritis. Been waiting for my vet to call back since Monday. Still haven't heard from them. Joined the dsld Yahoo group, but is it being moved so somewhere else? I can't find any info on anything there. Can someone direct me to the right spot for the dsld group please?
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-Tina
Jan 2018, Waldo, WI
Star Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tina%20and%20Star
Star Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=26772


Re: Toxic iron level, can’t find source

Nancy C
 

Hi Lorna

Instructions for Case History compilation were sent previously but may have gotten lost in the shuffle of getting your signature and other details organized.

Will repost them here for you and others who may need them. Blue text are clickable links.

Hope this helps.

*****

A Case History is essential to get the best help for your equine. If you don't have all the info, don't worry. Get started with what you have.

Here's how:

1. Join our Case Histories sub-group. Scroll down to the “Join This Group” button at the bottom of the Case Histories sub-group page.

2. Download and fill out the Case History Form. 
  

Form for PCs

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Tablet or smartphone users who cannot download the form request an email with the Case History Form attached.

Please indicate if you are using an iPhone or iPad.

Go here for further device-based instructions.


Fill out as much info as you can to get started. Follow the case history file naming and uploading instructions located at the bottom of the above Case History form.

Once your folder in complete add that URL to your auto-signature. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub


3. To help get the most out of your Case History, explore The ECIR Wiki. Here a few useful links to get you started:

Site Map: Getting Around & What Goes Where

IR Calculator

How to Take Good Hoof Pictures

How to Get Good X-rays


Thank you and welcome!

~ The Support Team of the ECIR Group


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Differences between an IR neck and a stallion alike neck

Tanna
 

Hi Maria! 

I see that it appears I only read question about a stallion's crest and the muscle and totally missed the rest. 

Dr. K cleared things up but I also found this old post.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/57358

This may also sound like a > stupid question but how does one tell
the differenc between fat and > muscle?

By where the crest is located. If it's muscle, it will be evidence
along the natural arc of the upper part of the neck and be below the
nuchal ligament - the ligament that runs from the back of the skull
to the withers. With a fatty crest, although the whole neck gets a
thick appearance the cresting fat sits on top of the nuchal ligament
and tends to occur in the lower portions of the neck, not along its
natural arch.

-- 

Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Re: Mad Barn AminoTrace+ reviews requested

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jodi,

I don't use this product but if you type the name into the Search box there will pop up a number of messages from people who are using it.



Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


Re: Toxic iron level, can’t find source

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Do you feed a mineral supplement/balancer or use supplemented grain?  If so, when was it fed compared to the blood draw? Why were these tests run? Is your horse on local hay or pasture?

We also need a detailed history to put this in context. If you have trouble with the case history form after reading the Wiki, please reach out.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Prevacox. Higher doses

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

IMO, they're playing with fire. It might take weeks, might take months, but sooner or later you're going to have serious gut and/or kidney issues, mouth ulceration. Maybe if the horse is going to be euthanized without it but frankly if the horse has that much pain it's not going to work. There is ZERO evidence a higher dose works better. Higher doses also lead to lost selectivity for COX-2 meaning the horse is at risk for the exact same side effects as with other NSAIDs like bute -  i.e. gastric ulcers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5588883/

Note: The optimal dose for firocoxib was established using an intravenous form, then the oral dose that achieved similar blood levels was determined. See 141-313 here: https://animaldrugsatfda.fda.gov/adafda/views/#/foiDrugSummaries#foiApplicationInfo .

It's not a matter of not liking the medication. It's using it at dosages and/or for durations that are dangerous, and using it for things it doesn't help anyway. COX-2 inhibition may even worsen laminitis because of thromboembolic effects.

NSAIDs are not a treatment for old age. There's no reason IMO he has to be on it for anything else you  mentioned - and lots of reasons why other approaches would work better. Spend some time on the DSLD list. Ringbone is more of a trim issue than anything and if it involves a joint at this point that can be addressed as well. However, he's "addicted"/habituated at this point and would need to be weaned off.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  2 for 1 course sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Side effects of Prascend (replying to Martha) was Re: APF not working

Tanna
 

That being said Martha, and mostly in an attempt to encourage myself and others perhaps from beating ourselves up about the things we miss....

Every horse has a story and when the time comes where it seems a significant number of them will eventually be diagnosed with PPID it is easier (logically, certainly not emotionally) to look back and connect the dots. A horse without diagnosis could have similar story. 

I do call on minor things at times. If she looks at me funny, I'll freak out, which I think makes it more difficult for me to deal with all this and seeing her struggle. Fortunately, or unfortunately, my connection with my horse is heavily based on our intuitive relationship as sentient beings. Sorry...yes cray cray. She does not "tell" me everything, for reasons I'm well aware of, and she is generally very stoic. Much has been complicated by her spavin (at 2 years) and all of the secondary issues it lead to and provided a "probable explanation" for along the way. When I and vets connected the dots for her that is where we got to. 


--
Tanna 

April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada

Tula's Case History 


Mad Barn AminoTrace+ reviews requested

jmc
 

Just wondering who's tried this, whether their horse ate it fine, and how they did on it.  I find I'm having to change my source of vitamins/minerals, and this meets my requirements, and allows me to eliminate some add-on supplements.  My horse is IR/PPID and PSSM2.  I know it's on the ECIR safe foods list, which is one reason I am considering switching to it.

Also, if anyone is aware of current coupons, that'd be great.

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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Prevacox. Higher doses

LJ Friedman
 

I know we dont like prevacox.  Majestic is on it and will remain for a while,  hi/lo ringbone, old age, ppid, possible dsld, suspensory insult etc.  yesterday my vet said hes not opposed to a higher dose of Prevacox when 57 mg isn’t controlling things and IF things like bute. Etc were being considered for management. Takeaway: better a higher dose of Prevacox vs  the insult of bute, etc. I was surprised at the statement.  Assuming, in real life practice, other vets consider higher dose Prevacox as well?  Thoughts?? 
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Toxic iron level, can’t find source

Lorna Mills
 

Iron 506.40 ug/dL
Molybdenum 18.04 ng/mL
Selenium 351.75 ng/mL
Zinc 3.55 ug/mL

Insulin 295 pmol/L

Sodium 131 mmol/L
Potassium 6.6 mmol/L

White Blood Count 4.8 normal range listed is 5.1-12.5
Platelet Count 63 normal range listed is 100-400
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Lorna Mills
Kamloops, BC
2019


Re: PPID and Mouth Ulcers

 

That’s fantastic, Maria.  I know you were quite concerned about how to deal with the mouth ulcers.  Take a look at this message I posted a few minutes ago.

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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 
 


Re: Toxic iron level, can't find source

Lorna Mills
 


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Lorna Mills
Kamloops, BC
2019

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