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Re: Acceptable ulcer meds?
Deb Walker
Just googled it, and now I remember...I was told you couldn't just *stop* GUT once started because of some of the ingredients? Perhaps Dr. Kellon or someone else could comment?
-- Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619 |
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Re: Acceptable ulcer meds?
Deb Walker
Martha - His pergolide has been upped to 4mg and that made an immediate difference when it was changed a couple of months ago.
Patricia - I forgot about the product GUT. I had used that in the past and I guess even though it didn't cross my mind, I wasn't sure it would be OK for I/R & PPID. Something to think about. I really don't think it is stomach problems, but I guess a trial of trying it couldn't hurt. It's only money right :) :) I swear, it never ends. Thanks everyone for suggestions. -- Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619 |
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another question about storing hay in a shipping container
Barn owner wants to verify whether there is any fire hazard associated with storing hay in a shipping container. Hay was harvested in August 2019.
Thank you, Mara and Ally PNW 2006 |
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Re: High Manganese??
aphena89@...
Yes, I agree it’s odd that she’s so dismissive of hay testing with her masters in nutrition. . She’s saying I need to feed a balanced grain and has recommended Wellsolve so I think she wants to push the grain sales. Maybe I should send her these articles?!?
It’s very rare around Austin for anyone to test the hay. The place where I’ve been buying the hay with high manganese does test but they don’t test for iron or manganese, they did pull the core samples for me to test however, that was much appreciated. -- Jennifer Teis Austin, TX, USA Joined 2019 |
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Re: Exercise after laminitis episode - Princess
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Amy,
Sorry this got missed. Generally speaking, you want to wait to start formal exercise until a tight, realigning correct trim is in place and the feet have grown out at least 1/2 the damage that was done. It's good that she had a very short episode of obvious discomfort but the radiographs showed that her soles were thin, toes long, there was some sinking, heels were underrun. The few pictures in the photo album confirm several of these findings. Is she still in reverse shoes? Is she still on Thyro-L? Has she lost any weight (other than decreasing the fat pads)? Have the results from the blood work come back yet? To give you better answers, we'd also need to see a full set of current pix to see how the trim is progressing. -- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR |
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Re: Mustangs eating manure
Joanne Jordan
FWIW - I also have BLM mustangs. My younger gelding who is very submissive to my older gelding, appears obsessed with eating the older gelding's fresh (as in right out of the manure maker) poop. If I chase him off, he returns to the pile immediately. Very interesting what Tracy wrote about gut bacteria and submissiveness!!
They are both treated as if they are IR -- their hay is tested and measured out for 3 feedings/day. They are on a paddock paradise. They are supplemented as per ECIR recommendations. Basically, all the stuff advocated here and still, the manure eating and constantly ravenous appetites. Just wanted you to know you have good company. We've had many mustangs through our place as we work with a rescue. All wanted to eat everything ;-) Joanne from Washington |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can't do it without you. UPDATE
Thank Nathalie!!!!
Third party account allows us to work in all 50 US States without the need for registering, paying fees and keeping paper work for each of the same. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2019-2020 Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA |
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Re: Cluster of Severe EMS Cases
Sherry Morse
In my opinion, WIRX is in the same category as HEIRO until there are proven studies that it actually works. As it consists of cinnamon and cranberry there's nothing in it that will do more to 'cure' IR than a controlled diet would.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can't do it without you. UPDATE
UPDATE. As of 1:15 pm Central time, there have been new donations totaling $985. Thank you! Only $2,015 left to raise before 1/1/20 to turn $3,000 into $6,000. I REALLY THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS GOAL!
Fran in Texas ECIR Board of Directors
7-2005 Ford, Tinker and Dancer Ford Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Ford Tinker Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Tinker Dancer Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Dancer%20Case%20History.pdf
Ford Photos: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1214900120
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Re: ECIR Group - We can't do it without you. UPDATE
Tally
Nancy,
I managed to do a donation just in time. In the future, would it not be easier to use a PayPal account so that all the money pledged goes to ECIR ? Or do you have to use third party systems for accountancy purposes ? -- Nathalie, UK Carer of Roxy and owner of Palermo https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nathalie%27s%20horses https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=87101 |
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Re: High Manganese??
This is what A&M has to say about forage testing:
https://foragefax.tamu.edu/2019/09/20/hay-testing-know-what-youre-feeding/ http://www.sealynews.com/stories/hay-and-forage-producers-encouraged-to-submit-samples-for-analysis,79634? When I first came on this group almost two decades ago, the idea of balancing a horse's diet to the hay analysis was virtually unheard of but producers of milk, beef, eggs, pork, etc. have been doing this for over a century because of the huge difference in makes in the health of their animals. A vendor that claims hay testing results are unreliable has something to hide. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com 2 for 1 course sale |
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Re: Cluster of Severe EMS Cases
Pat Gauvreau <pgauvreau@...>
What is WIRX? I’m on island too in Qualicum Beach.
-- Pat and Savannah Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada January 2018 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Savannah Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22028&p=pcreated,,,50,2,0,0 |
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Re: Question about liver flush for IR horses
Ok good to know I will check it out! Thanks!
-- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa Case History Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 . Case History
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Re: High Manganese??
Hi Jennifer,
Most of us have gone through, still go through, the frustration of wondering just who to believe. You are in good company! I always check on who is saying what. In this case a person selling hay is saying that testing hay is unreliable.(hogwash,incidentally) Could it be in her favour to say that? Did she support her comment with any kind of facts? If you read the messages, and Files, here about hay testing (using the correct tests,of course),and the awesome results which the horses show us,when put on a nutritional program of supplements balanced to their hay, you know that you are reading unbiased information. The horses prove the point to anyone who cares to pay attention, even someone with a Masters in animal nutrition.(yowzers!) I'm hoping Kat is reading and has a minute. -- Lorna Cane
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Re: High Manganese??
aphena89@...
Thanks! I have checked with another local hay vendor today, she has her masters in animal nutrition from A&M and is telling me the hay testing results are basically very unreliable and she never tests the hay she sells. It’s all very confusing! |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can't do it without you. UPDATE
Hi Helen
Busy time of year. You are there. Should also be on your credit card or paypal statements. Highly recommend you keep trying to access your account. If that does not work write to support by going here and looking for HELP? button in lower left corner. HTH -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2019-2020 Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA |
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Re: Question about liver flush for IR horses
There is also a good article by Dr. K. in our Files.
Search liver cleanse. -- Lorna Cane
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Re: Question about liver flush for IR horses
Heather, do you follow Dr. K. On FB? She put up an answer,on December 18th, for a person asking about liver cleanses.
I don't know what is in Alpha Omega, but the impression I get is that so-called liver cleanses for horses are a waste of money. -- Lorna Cane
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Question about liver flush for IR horses
Hello,
does anyone know if the Alpha Omega Liver product is safe for IR horses? Thoughts? And has anyone had any experience using it? Thanks -- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa Case History Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 . Case History
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Re: ECIR Group - We can't do it without you. UPDATE
Helen Connor
Hi Nancy, I've spent nearly an hour trying to log onto MightyCause to increase my monthly donation. I'm not succeeding. Can you tell me if you got monthly donations from me in 2019? I'm beginning to suspect that my wish to donation was not carried out. Thank you, Helen On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:19 AM Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote: Thank you so much to everyone who has donated to the ECIR Group in 2019. --
Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID) Scappoose, OR Member since May 2017 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847 |
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