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Re: Hidding Prascend

jen@...
 

I would be concerned that a prune's moisture will be an issue.  According to my veterinarian Prascend tabs are VERY moisture sensitive and the tablet could not be put into a prune ahead of time.

I am going to try the peanut suggestion.  I have been having my barn's employees use a half of a baby carrot I bore out a hole in ahead of time.  I actually had to purchase a mini refrigerator yesterday to place in the barn to protect the Prascend, soaked beet pulp, carrots and powdered supplements.
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- Jennifer Haunschild
Sept 2019, Edmond, OK
Space Cowboy - 12.1h Welsh Pony:  PPID 

Space Cowboy Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Space%20Cowboy

 

Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/Casehistory/album?id=96011

 


Re: Followup re: wt loss

Cheryl Oickle
 

Re vitamin E.  Jewel used to spit hers out too. Now i add them to her soaked hay cubes as a carrier...but mix them up early in the morning fiir evening feed or even the night before if its cool enough and fermentatioo is not an iseue. Bingo all is gone. Worth a try
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Kelp was Adequate Iodine?

Cindy Giovanetti
 

What is risky about kelp?

Kelp poses the same safety issues for EMS and other horses. It is especially risky for pregnant mares and young horses.
 
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Eleanor in PA _._,_._,_

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Cindy
Denton, Texas
Joined 2/19, but I was a member of the old Yahoo group
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden/Oden%20case%20history%20%287%29%20%281%29.doc
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125


Re: Hidding Prascend

Lynn
 

Hi Maria, Prunes (dried plums) work very well too. You can shove the pill into the prune where it remains completely hidden. Relevante was wild for them.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Hidding Prascend

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Maria,

We use peanut shells to hide a pergolide capsule in. I know you are using the Prascend tab, but it should work for it,too.
We remove 1/2 the peanut,put the capsule in its place,close up the shell, and bingo.
This horse hasn't caught on ......yet.

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Lorna Cane
Ontario, Canada
2002


 


Hidding Prascend

Maria Duran
 

I need to hide the dose od Prascend in something very very easy to give for the caretakers of Yayo that doesn't get spoiled and can be stored.

A small piece of a carrot or apple would get oxidized very quickly so I thought that maybe having some individual packed biscuits without added sugar would be an easy solution because it is easy to break a small piece of 1 cm x 1 cm and hide the prascend inside.

Yayo has tasted little portions of cookies before so an allergy to egg wouldn't be an issue. Am I wrong?

I know maybe this is not a very acceptable approach for hidding medication but the situation is not either. I need to rely on something they will not fight against when giving medication and the horse likes to eat. Preparing or manipulating foods will not be done and throwing it in his feed is not safe because I don't trust it gets eaten.

Can a small piece of biscuit be fed for this purpose?

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: 2nd try please. Plutón diagnosed PPID too

Maria Duran
 

Hi Lavinia, 

Thank you so much for your reply. I also considered a positive for PPID but not long ago I think I read that older horses had a natural higher ACTH so I was a bit confused about if maybe a big part of this rise was due to it or not.

You can't see his current dose of Prascend because he will be starting this week on it. I will update the CH as soon as he begins 

I wasn't sure about titrating at the end of december or begining so thank you for clarifying. He doesn't show clear symptoms, the owner told me that he had a lower energy some days and was asked for a test as a routine control because of his age. We didn't expect the result.

Thank you!😊

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: 2nd try please. Plutón diagnosed PPID too

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Maria,

ACTH 142 pg/ml up to 53 this time of the year
Glucose 91 mg/100ml up to 110
Insulin 12.68 uU/ml up to 30

Sorry this somehow got missed.

With an ACTH of 142pg/ml, that is definitively positive for PPID at any time of the year.

At his age (29.5yo), this isn't a surprising reading at all. His last normal test was over 1.5 years ago (Feb 2018), after the seasonal rise period was over so you don't have any readings to compare to this one. If he wasn't exhibiting any serious issues before you had him tested, you could try titrating off the Prascend in late Dec then retesting in late Jan/early Feb so you can more easily compare the result to the last one in Feb 2018. Just watch for any negative changes when you reduce/stop the dose.

What is the dose of Prascend he is on (sorry, I didn't see that in the case history)?

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: More fiber in manure

Maria Duran
 

Thanks a lot Laura 😍. The hay is feed over shavings at night in the stall and in the morning and evening he is in a big paddock shared with about 10 horses more and fed over the sand and manure mixed as it is never cleaned so no way to control who eats what.

I can only control the amount fed at night, the one I have increased so that he has as much hay as he likes, but they don't take special chores because there are over 150 horses in the riding school 😕
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: let me see if I got this straight....

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Susan,

Why is the vet pulling a glucose test? It is insulin and ACTH that are the ones you really need to know. Glucose by itself won't tell you much as most horses don't have elevated glucose levels. A glucose reading is useful when you pull insulin at the same time so you can compare the relationship between the two values.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: More fiber in manure

gypsylassie
 

Maria, how is the hay fed?  If the hay is placed in a container of some sort, maybe the caretakers would at least pour some water over the hay.   Or if it's in a net maybe dunk it in water for a short time.   The horses you help are blessed that at least someone cares about them.  
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


Re: File on breeds prone to IR

gypsylassie
 

I think that there are breeds on the list that are not usually prone to IR unless ppid is not controlled
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


On Oct 6, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Kirsten Rasmussen <kirstenrasmussen3@...> wrote:

Wow. A smaller list might be breeds that aren't prone to IR!!  LOL

Thanks Nancy!!

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR)
Kitimat, BC, Canada
January 2019

Shaku's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kirsten%20and%20Shaku  
 

Shaku's Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82559&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0   


Re: Does the seasonal rise affect IR?

jmc
 

The test was when he was on 1mg. I raised it over time to 1.5, at which point his peeing and drinking are fairly normal. That is the main PPID symptom I'm working from. Hope that helps.
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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Re: 2nd try please. Plutón diagnosed PPID too

Maria Duran
 

May I ask for some clarification on these questions please? I am a bit confused about if the high ACTH might be to some extent mirroring a natural higher elevation at his age or is it clearly all due to PPID.

Also when do we titrate down to retest to see whether he needs prascend all year round or not.

Thanks.
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Newly diagnosed PPID mare with high glucose – need help/advise

Ingrid Page
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon, will plan on that. Keeping fingers crossed all values will normalize.
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Ingrid

12/04/2017, Loudoun Cty, VA
Dash, Sally (IR, PPID)
May (PPID, IR?)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Ingrid%20and%20May

Billy (IR) - over the bridge
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Ingrid%20and%20Billy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=29005 


Re: Adequate Iodine?

Maria Duran
 

Thanks for clarifying Dr. K.
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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Followup re: wt loss

Ronelle
 

Delli-  My boy sometimes would leave the E gelatin caps, so I would put the cap in a little water and heat in a microwave until the gelatin started to melt.  Then I'd stir, causing the E and oil to be released into the water.  This would be dumped into the mineral and carrier mix (including the gelatin cap).  The gelatin caps will also soften in cold water but it takes longer.   I'm thinking he got used to it because now he just eats it up.
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Ronelle and Yoyo
2015 Bend, Or, US


Re: Newly diagnosed PPID mare with high glucose – need help/advise

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Ingrid,

Her other values may well correct significantly once the PPID is controlled. See how she's doing on 1 mg pergolide before deciding on further medication. I'd retest ACTH, insulin, glucose in early December or sooner if you see anything troubling.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Followup re: wt loss

Kate Triplett
 

I also like to squirt the liquid E oil onto the feed - in absence of hand tools I usually just nip a gel cap end with my teeth and then squirt out the contents. I eat the empty gel caps myself, like no-sugar gummy bears.... hmmm, fingernails are improving :)
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Kate and Bunny (Irish Draught broodmare "possibly" PPID) and Lacey (Irish Draught Sporthorse broodmare IR laminitis)
Homesick Angels Farm, WA USA
Joined August 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kate%20and%20Bunny
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kate%20and%20Lacey
Lacey feet image files  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95210
Bunny image files  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95239




Re: Princess diagnosed with hind-hoof laminitis night before last

Kate Triplett
 

quoting Dr. Kellon

"It does make sense that transdermal uptake would have more potent local effects than systemic ones."

And that is what I said - I personally use magnesium solution transdermally for muscle soreness and tightness. I did not mean to imply boosting systemic levels by using ONLY this method, I was addressing the physical discomfort of the OP's horse and a fast and safe way to alleviate that.
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Kate and Bunny (Irish Draught broodmare "possibly" PPID) and Lacey (Irish Draught Sporthorse broodmare IR laminitis)
Homesick Angels Farm, WA USA
Joined August 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kate%20and%20Bunny
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kate%20and%20Lacey
Lacey feet image files  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95210
Bunny image files  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95239