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Re: help with case history please
You found it! Yay!
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Logo's Case History:
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Re: Association between ACTH and gastric ulcers or RDC?
Brooke, you'll receive a response from the most knowledgeable ECIR volunteers. Just as an interim perspective, IME you can add #3 to your list:
3) PPID horses can have a higher and longer seasonal rise than "normal" equines. IME, and it's only n=2 since 2012, some equines really ramp up ACTH during the seasonal rise, and their rise lasts longer than the charted dates, well into December. Also IME, 4) The course of each equine's PPID is unique to that equine. It's a tricky devil. Dr Kellon and others here have the best overview of thousands of cases. The one true thing that worked best for my PPID mares is to suspect uncontrolled ACTH first, whatever is going on. Some of us are chasing a progressive, degenerative process 24/7/365. For some of our equines, the goal posts are never set. Others can go years on two Prascend. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse Case History Cayuse Photos Diamond Case History Diamond Photos |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
And don’t forget you can set ECIR group as your charity on Amazon Smiles. Yes I know it’s not as much of a donation but for those like me who are struggling to afford my horses meds and supplements every little bit helps. I purchase some of her supplements and a lot of my supplements thru Amazon Smiles and nice to know ECIR is getting a small portion.
-- Lori B. Phoenix, AZ Joined December 2018 Luna's case history https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lori%20and%20Luna Luna's photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/casehistory/album?id=81237 |
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Re: Supplements with maltodextrin and molasses - trying to deal with ulcers and IR
Sherry Hite
Dr Kellon,
i have considered using Hylarin B as a joint supplement for Pepper but have not because of the maltodextrin. Since you are very familiar with the uckele products I would like your opinion on using this for an IR horse. Is the amount small enough that it is not likely to cause a problem? -- Sherry & Pepper, August 2015, No. Calif
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Pepper Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=5798 .
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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
Thank you, Helen! From our end it looks like it will be one $25 donation each month. Please let us know if there is any problem from your end.
-- Fran in Texas
7-2005 Ford, Tinker and Dancer Ford Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Ford Tinker Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Tinker Dancer Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Dancer%20Case%20History.pdf
Ford Photos: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1214900120
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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
Thank you so much, Jane!
-- Fran in Texas
7-2005 Ford, Tinker and Dancer Ford Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Ford Tinker Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Tinker Dancer Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Dancer%20Case%20History.pdf
Ford Photos: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1214900120
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Re: Emergency protocol for pony who escaped on to grass?
Hi Clarissa,
Go to our Files. Scroll down to Emergency Protocols ,and you will see a file for emergency protocol for horse getting out on grass. Hopefully, it will help you help Red avoid any damage. Fingers crossed. -- Lorna Cane
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Re: Emergency protocol for pony who escaped on to grass?
Hi Clarissa
Try this protocol in the Files (in folder named 'Emergency Protocols'): https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Emergency%20Protocols/Protocol%20for%20horse%20that%20got%20out%20on%20grass.pdf This message thread might also be useful for you: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/225147?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,escaped,20,2,0,24836476 We had the same high winds and I turned our electric fences off due to the fire danger. I'm guessing if you've had the dry hot winds, the grass is pretty dried off and depending on the type of grass, probably most of it finished seeding? -- Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID) Canberra, Australia 2010 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles
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Re: Supplements with maltodextrin and molasses - trying to deal with ulcers and IR
Mari <mjsav2000@...>
Where would you get pectin-lecithin combo? I saw that Europeans have Equitop pronutrin, not available here. SBS has "starting gate" pellets - but again, no amounts of pectin/lecithin/sugars clear. Is there a particular vendor you would use? -- |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
Jane Fletcher
Donation made. Thanks for all this group does
-- Jane, South East Western Australia Nov 2016 Garnet and Bill |
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Emergency protocol for pony who escaped on to grass?
jonno17@...
Hi everyone,
Everything has been going very well in my neck of the woods, Red has been lightly started back under saddle and going well, however this morning I found him off his track and down a laneway with grass, we have had very high winds and I don't know if the wind has blown the gate open or what has happened, I am unsure of how long he has been out, he has a slight pulse in one front, I have been ever so careful with his rehab and am gutted that he has escaped on to grass :( is there anything I can do to stop a laminitis attack? He is still on the same feed regime as is in his case history, nothing has changed. -- Clarissa November 2018-Red, Poppet Tasmania, Australia https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Clarissa%20and%20Red_Poppet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79540 |
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Association between ACTH and gastric ulcers or RDC?
Just got ACTH test results back on my best friend's 18 year old gelding diagnosed with PPID in July 2019. At the time of diagnosis, ACTH was 54 uIU/mL (RI: 10-40 uIU/mL). He was started on 1 mg Prascend. A little over 1 week ago, he was tested again, and ACTH is now 150 uIU/mL. I think we are at the tail end of the seasonal rise, so it's not quite clear why with treatment his ACTH is 3-fold higher than at the time of diagnosis.
There are a few clinical pieces of information that I am wondering if they are responsible for the ACTH: 1) He struggled with RDC (due to chronic Equioxx use) for over a year and just recently within the last 5 months has started to manage it. 2) We now think he may have some issues with ulcers that we will treat with GastroGard. Thought it was the veil, but thinking that is not the case. Based on the hypothalamic pituitary axis, it seems logical that the stress of either of these two conditions may result in increased ACTH activity above and beyond the adenoma itself. However, can it account for this large of an increase? Thanks! Brooke -- -Brooke- May 2019, Minnesota Olive's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brooke%20and%20Olive/Olive%20Case%20History.pdf Olive's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91700 |
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Re: ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
Helen Connor
Hi Nancy, I think just increased my monthly donation from $15 to $25/mo on Mighty Cause. I hope I did this properly. My intention is to give one gift a month, in the amount of $25. If I end up giving twice a month, I'll be back in touch. Helen Connor Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> Date: 11/13/19 1:17 PM (GMT-08:00) To: main@ECIR.groups.io Subject: [ECIR] ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you. Dear ECIR Group Members ~ Good news! Last year, we launched a campaign to recruit 100 donors who would be willing to sign up for small monthly donations through our fund-raising site, Mightycause. And thanks to our wonderful supporters, we successfully met this goal last year! This enabled us to secure $6,000 from a friend of the ECIR Group to help fund our online Case History project. I am happy to share that this project is nearing its launch date! We need your help. Since January of this year, our recurring donations has dropped by 30%, largely due to credit card expirations. Without a consistent amount of monthly donations, it’s difficult for us to plan projects. If you are one of the people who has not updated your credit card information through Mightycause, would you do us the favor of updating that information now? Here’s how: 1. Click this link https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group 2. Click on the icon that looks like a person in the upper right corner of your screen and sign into your account. 3. Scroll down to RECURRING DONATIONS, then click on the pencil icon and you can modify your payment options there. If you’re not currently donating to The ECIR Group Inc. and would like to give us a hand, here’s how: 1. Go to https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group (you’ll need to join the site if you haven’t already done so). 2. Click on the icon that looks like a person (upper right corner of your screen) to either join the site or login. 3. Find EQUINE CUSHING’S AND INSULIN RESISTANCE GROUP INC., then enter the amount you’d like to donate. Click on MAKE MY DONATION MONTHLY, and you’re done. Since we are a nonprofit organization, all donations are tax-exempt for US members. A group of people donating as little as $5/month can truly help us with our mission to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders across the globe. And now, more good news. Our volunteers have been very busy this year. In addition to the online Case History project, our small-but-mighty volunteer force has been working on a series of films depicting our protocols for Diet, Trim and Exercise (the latest film DIET AND DRUGS was just recently released); and we have been working on the plans for our 2020 Conference (Harrisburg, PA the weekend of October 23-25). These massive projects will help us take a huge step forward in our ability to quickly and effectively help horses, donkeys, and mules around the world with Cushing’s Disease and/or Equine Metabolic Syndrome. 2019 has been very busy, and 2020 will be even more so. Thanks for being a part of our progress. -- Fran Metzger Board of Directors ECIR Group Inc. -- Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA -- Helen Connor and Blessing (IR/PPID) Scappoose, OR Member since May 2017 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Blessing Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6847 |
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Re: help with case history please
Hi Nancy,
This is the link( I hope) for your Case History. You just need to go to Subscription,and add it to your signature box,after the info there already,hit Save, and it will automatically show up with your signature now. https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/1%20Case%20History%20Form%20and%20Instructions/Nancy%20and%20Cheyenne -- Lorna Cane
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Re: Supplements with maltodextrin and molasses - trying to deal with ulcers and IR
Mari <mjsav2000@...>
Thank you, great information. I called Smartpack and the SmartGut Ultra has 15.7 g sugars/ 80 g serving.... That sounds like a lot.... unless the customer rep got it wrong
-- Mari, CA, joined 2019 |
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ECIR Group - We can’t do it without you.
An important message from our hardworking Marketing Director Fran:
Dear ECIR Group Members ~ Good news! Last year, we launched a campaign to recruit 100 donors who would be willing to sign up for small monthly donations through our fund-raising site, Mightycause. And thanks to our wonderful supporters, we successfully met this goal last year! This enabled us to secure $6,000 from a friend of the ECIR Group to help fund our online Case History project. I am happy to share that this project is nearing its launch date! We need your help. Since January of this year, our recurring donations have dropped by 30%, largely due to credit card expirations. Without a consistent amount of monthly donations, it’s difficult for us to plan projects. If you are one of the people who has not updated your credit card information through Mightycause, would you do us the favor of updating that information now? Here’s how: 1. Click this link https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group 2. Click on the icon that looks like a person in the upper right corner of your screen and sign into your account. 3. Scroll down to RECURRING DONATIONS, then click on the pencil icon and you can modify your payment options there. If you’re not currently donating to The ECIR Group Inc. and would like to give us a hand, here’s how: 1. Go to https://www.mightycause.com/organization/Equine-Cushings-And-Insulin-Resistance-Group (you’ll need to join the site if you haven’t already done so). 2. Click on the icon that looks like a person (upper right corner of your screen) to either join the site or login. 3. Find EQUINE CUSHING’S AND INSULIN RESISTANCE GROUP INC., then enter the amount you’d like to donate. Click on MAKE MY DONATION MONTHLY, and you’re done. Since we are a nonprofit organization, all donations are tax-exempt for US members. A group of people donating as little as $5/month can truly help us with our mission to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders across the globe. And now, more good news. Our volunteers have been very busy this year. In addition to the online Case History project, our small-but-mighty volunteer force has been working on a series of films depicting our protocols for Diet, Trim and Exercise (the latest film DIET AND DRUGS was just recently released); and we have been working on the plans for our 2020 Conference (Harrisburg, PA the weekend of October 23-25). These massive projects will help us take a huge step forward in our ability to quickly and effectively help horses, donkeys, and mules around the world with Cushing’s Disease and/or Equine Metabolic Syndrome. 2019 has been very busy, and 2020 will be even more so. Thanks for being a part of our progress. -- Fran Metzger Board of Directors ECIR Group Inc. -- Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA |
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Re: Laminitis. New general article today
Tanna
Thank you Sherry
It would appear that most, if not all of the horses in the study also had confirmed IR (per the ECIR calculator) "normoinsulinaemic (<20 μU/ml)" -- Tanna April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008) |
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Re: help with case history please
Hi Nancy,
Have you looked for it in the Case History subgroup files? I’m sorry but I don’t know your horse’s name. Your file should have gone into a folder there labeled “Nancy and (your horse’s name)”. If you let me know how you labeled it, I can help you search. -- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Logo's Case History:
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help with case history please
I've filled out the case history and done my best to follow the directions for uploading it but I cannot tell if I was successful. Can someone help me please/ Thank you!
-- Nancy Blessing Cental Florida, USA Dec. 2018 |
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Re: Laminitis. New general article today
Sherry Morse
So this is a good time to point out that in the original study there were only 38 animals and the statistic reported was: While owners reported laminitis in 37% of animals, 76% were laminitic based on study criteria Which means that the quote in the article LJ posted is a bit misleading, even when given completely. If anybody wants to read the summary of the original study it's here: https://beva.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/evj.12963 Thanks, EC Primary Response PA 2014 |
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