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Re: APF not working
Tanna
Hi Catherine,
I'm sorry you're going through this with your lovely boy. I do find that 1/4 makes a significant difference with my gal. Trust your gut, you know your horse. Perhaps you can stick with 1/2, if he tolerates it, and retest in a couple weeks? See where that puts his ACTH. As for salt. Rather than putting in on his hay pellets you could try sprinkling it on slightly dampened hay. This is the only way I had success with salt and copper/Zinc. -- Tanna April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008) |
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Re: APF not working
I saw your ch. you are a member since 2015. Insulin was 89 in 2017? Nothing done to address 2017 insulin value?
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: APF not working
How high is insulin. ?Dr kellon wants diet tight, trim tight and acth well controlled before trying metformin and then invokana if nothing else works.
I say, if insulin is very high. ie over 200, start invokana immed. Assume dr kellon wouldnt agree, she knows best. A suffering horse might need urgent treatment?? I am a risk taker with my treatments, based on science -- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: APF not working
Catherine Browne
Hi LJ,
I am associating the Prascend with wobbling, etc. He gets this way 12 hours after taking more than half a pill. Dr. Kellon suggested the APF to stop the wobbling and not being able to walk. He is able to walk on a lower dose. When I increase the Prascend, he can't walk. The increased dose makes him so much worse. In my opinion, based on what I see, prascend is not helping and in fact is causing my poor horse to suffer even more. I now have to wait 24 hours for it to leave his system for him to start to feel better. I feel just awful for him. He is active lamintis. I have tried giving salt in his hay pellets, but he will not eat it. And currently I have trouble with him eating anything but hay. I think you have mentioned Invokana before...but no one mentioned metformin. What do they do? How do I get these? Is this something I need to ask my local vet for? -- Catherine November 2015, Powhatan, Virginia Woodstock Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Catherine%20and%20Woodstock |
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Re: APF not working
Catherine Browne
Hi Bonnie,
Woodstock had already been on Prescend at half a pill when I increased to a whole pill and the problems started. So I backed him down to half pill. Dr. Kellon suggested the APF and increase to 3/4 pill when I got the APF. So that is what I did. He is getting only 1/4 more than before. I don't think I can cut an even smaller dose. The pills are really hard to cut smaller than 1/4... thanks! -- Catherine November 2015, Powhatan, Virginia Woodstock Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Catherine%20and%20Woodstock |
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Re: Andy Help?
Who put your horse on invokana for high glucose?
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Andy Help?
bokayarabians@...
-- Sweet P is on Invokana for high glucose. I am reading about horses on it for high insulin. Can it really help both? Kathie with Libby and Sweet P Cobble Hill, BC, Canada Aug 2018 Case Histories Target Photos Sweet P Photos Addy Photos Cherokee Photos |
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Hoof Supplement suggestion
Redponymn@...
I have used a product called Biotin Plus for a number of year for my mare as a "normal/regular" daily hoof supplement. However, since she had an Laminitis in September I wondering if I should switch to a different product. I'm curious what others use. Someone I know recommended using Farriers Formula Double Strength. Can someone please offer some advice and/or share what you use. I have not been successful at downloading my case history. Thank you.
-- Patti Flynn in MN - member since Oct 2019 |
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Re: Need help navigating in the ECIR site
Hi Patti,
Below is part of Lavinia's Welcome message to you after your first post. It's a lot to take in, so you may have not saved it. "If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. " Lorna Cane
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Need help navigating in the ECIR site
Redponymn@...
I have not been able to figure out how to create a folder to save my case history. HELP!
-- Patti Flynn in MN - member since Oct 2019 |
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Re: APF not working
is metformin or invokana on the shelf if beeded? Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: APF not working
Catherine,
I know that many horses need an even slower increase of pergolide. I started my horse on APF for several days then began the pergolide, 1/4 mg for four days, then 1/2 mg for 4 days, etc, etc. Some may need an even slower increase?? -- Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016 ECIR Group Primary Response White Cloud, Michigan, USA |
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APF not working
Catherine Browne
Hi Everyone,
I don't think the APF is working...at least it is not helping Woodstock. I am on day 4 of using and increasing the Prescend and Woodstock is back to not being able to walk and is wobbling and almost fell down. The first night I gave 8 ml APF and gave him his normal half pill. Day two to tonight I gave him 3/4 a pill. I noticed last night he wasn't moving much but tonight he really is unable as he is so unsteady. I gave him banamine and am praying that he will be ok. I am really concerned and sad for him. Tomorrow I will back him back to half pill as he seems to be ok on that dose. -- Catherine November 2015, Powhatan, Virginia Woodstock Case History - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Catherine%20and%20Woodstock |
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Re: Andy Help?
Thank you. I will certainly forward that information.
-- Chemelle Hillsboro, OR 2019 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Chemelle%20and%20Andy https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94380 |
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Re: Switching from Prascend to CP
Another pethealth plus;
you can request auto refills that will be shipped automatically at a date interval of your choosing -- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Switching from Prascend to CP
Re: looking into others. the best well managed horses use pethealth as their pharmacy. They should be your first pharmacy to try, of course, the choice is yours Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Recommend some Smart pak supplemrnts for Senior Cushings horse
Linda Schroll
-- Linda O S Wharton , NJ November 2019 Thank you! I board my horse, so will run all this by the barn owner. |
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Re: Recommend some Smart pak supplemrnts for Senior Cushings horse
Linda Schroll
-- Linda O S Wharton , NJ November 2019 Thank you for answering my question, Dr. Kellon. I can make those adjustments. I appreciate your input and have a couple more questions. Chance is a 27 yr old 3/4 Arab1/4 Saddlebred. He has been on joint supplement and for arthritic stifles for years , so I am wondering if I should drop the joint supplement. I found a joint supplement called Equithrive Original Joint that has no Glucosamine in it. All it has on ingredient list is the following, for better or worse... Resverasym 1000mg, Yielding Resveratrol 700mg, Sodium Hyaluronate 100mg, Grape Seed extract 500mg, and Saccheaeromycea cereusiae 12.5 billion CFU I am also wondering if I should keep him on some sort of probiotic . He has been on Smartpak Senior Ultra for years and that included hind gut ingredients. It also had ingredients for his hooves. Chance has had good feet all his life barefoot for years even on trail, until this last few months when he has had two abscesses in August and a week ago. I am trying to put weight back on him as well. He has been retired from work for almost a year. Would continuing a hoof supplement help protect his feet? |
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Re: Switching from Prascend to CP
Another easier choice when using pethealth pharmacy in az
Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Switching from Prascend to CP
Thank you Dr Kellon. I'll look into Pet Health and others as well. It is such a huge relief to know I'll be able to afford Khari's meds for some time yet to come, I don't want anything to get in the way of this new vet being willing to work with me on this!
NRC 2010 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jill%20and%20Khari
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