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Re: Gavis new hoof photos Tried very hard sorry mot so great

Cindy Q
 

Hi Tara

Are you still using softrides with their frog pads? If so have you tried using flat pads to see if he prefers those?

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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: Commercial Feed Analysis Library - Tue, 01/08/2019 #cal-notice

Nancy C
 

Thank you, Jean.

I have corrected the email from today and those going forward so folks will know how to proceed.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Question About Flavored Teas/Herbs

Cassie
 

Ellie seems to be okay with the Uckele G.U.T. (at the moment... ;) ).  
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Cassie

March 2017

Washington

Ellie Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cassie%20and%20Ellie
Ellie Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10111


Re: About Vitamin A supplement

Bonnie
 

Excellent! Capsules are most convenient. Thank you for taking time to answer, Bonnie and Dr. Kellon.
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


osteochondrosis/OCD nutritional treatment

Pam Shoes
 

Hi,
I purchased a 4 yo Arabian gelding a few months ago that has just been diagnosed with osteochondrosis in his right hock. Vet recommends surgery. Has anyone had any improvements or resolution to this with balancing a horse's diet?  I've increased his copper and zinc, reduced his fat, Ca/Phosphorus ratio and calories are fine.  His diet is 2 lbs alfalfa pellets, 2 lbs beet pulp, HorseTech Alfalfa HighPoint, flax, vitamin E, zinc and copper, hay and pasture.  I'm postponing the surgery and training I had scheduled.  I was wondering if it's wishful thinking to think that I can avoid surgery for him by balancing his diet at his age?
Thanks,
Pam


Re: About Vitamin A supplement

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You're fine at 10,000. The suggested upper limit is 16,000 IU/kg of diet and the rest of the A in your diet is actually carotene,not preformed vitamin A. You can't overdose with carotene. The body will make what it needs from the carotene.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: About Vitamin A supplement

Bonnie
 

I am feeding mostly 2018 grass hay, still fairly green but stemmy. Since it may not last till next crop, I added in 2 to 3 pounds of 2017 hay, not green. Lad also gets 3 pounds of ODTB cubes. Quantity of 2018 hay fed varies with wide swings of winter temperatures: from minus 30 to above freezing. Other supplements do not contain vitamin A. Last winter I was giving 10,000 IU vit. A daily and this year have not used these capsules for fear of giving too much.
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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Treating for Ulcers and picking at feed

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

If he's still overweight he shouldn't be getting free choice hay. Even 25 pounds is too much. Weigh out 16 pounds of hay and feed it so that he runs out overnight. Use more cubes than you are using now and feed his supplements in the morning, when he's hungry. You could also try "tossing" his meal with a couple ounces of CocoSoya to coat everything and/or soak the cubes in enough water for them to fluff up and break down, making it harder for him to sift through.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Commercial Feed Analysis Library - Tue, 01/08/2019 #cal-notice

 

Need an email address - LeeAnne does not keep this list anymore
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Jean and Amber (over the bridge)

 

South Carolina

August 2004

NRCPlus 0412; CIR 0813, 1211; NAT 0612

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gloria%20and%20Amber


Treating for Ulcers and picking at feed

juliekielty@...
 

I'm currently treating my 5 y/o for ulcers with Ulcergard. It's been about a week and he's been eating better but some days still picks and leaves his U Balance mineral mix, Tri Amino, and vit E. He eats the Timothy Balancer Cubes each time though (he only gets a few to mix in). He has access to free choice hay in slow feed nets and is generally eating the hay fine. He's picked at his food on and off for a while.

Thoughts on how to get him to eat more of the feed on days he does not want to? I tried the sugar free/carb free syrup mentioned here - does not help. I will crush in some omega horse treats (IR safe) and that makes him eat most days, but there are still days he picks around those as well and leaves the more important stuff.

Thanks!
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Julie Kielty
July 2018, Oxford NC

Chaucer's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julie%20and%20Chaucer/Chaucer%20Case%20History.pdf  
Sol's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julie%20and%20Sol/Sol%20Case%20History.pdf


Re: About Vitamin A supplement

 

I'm sorry, I typed the conversion  that the www.etoolsage.com
tool gave me. I got 10,000 IU = 3000 mcg. Isn't this the quantity that you are wanting, 3000 mcg? I corrected my first reply to you above also. Did you try using the conversion tool?
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: About Vitamin A supplement

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

How old is your hay? How green is it? Are you feeding anything else that contains vitamin A?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: learning to file hooves yourself #understandingtrim

christinecull33
 


Re: Gavis new hoof photos Tried very hard sorry mot so great

Tara Smith
 

Hi thank you so much ,yes he is in padded boots 24/7 somedays I see a glimpse of an upswing and that maybe someone is feeling a bit better ,then next day not really. NEW vet coming tomorrow to do TRH and lyme ,we had blood at Cornell,  done but the vet that did it didnt think they still would have it , or that he has lyme and not necessary(I called and lab said chances are yes we do )but he did not call to have it checked,  along  with his consult with specialist that I'm not sure I can mention ,so needless to say my farrier and I ran far away as soon as we heard their views on Gavis  condition .Moving on just to get blood work  that Dr. Kellon recommeded looking at .We are getting new hay tmorrow that will be tested asap .I'm getting it now from a local college that tests every other month for their equine program and I'm using their source. This hay source using his baler twine to color code where he his getting different hay from and what farmers it comes from .So trying very hard to stay consistent with what was tested and what I'm using now for that past 2 weeks .All our in house forage molded late summer1000 bales lost and picking through our other lofts for spill over from my loft ,that I was using since June that was low sugar and still good. Now completely  switched over tho. I take boots off everday to powder ,treat and check and dry out any moisture.My farrier is ECIR trimmer ,Pacific hoof trimmer ,barefoot  trimmer took 2 of dr. Kellons classes I believe how to read x Ray's and nutrition ,she trying really hard and willing to care for Gavi w all recommendations and direction she really has been wonderful .So to help Gavi I need all of u because I know without this group ,me and my horse are going to be in a very bad place .Thank you Tara
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Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Commercial Feed Analysis Library - Tue, 01/08/2019 #cal-notice

main@ECIR.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 
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Commercial Feed Analysis Library

When:
Tuesday, 8 January 2019

Description:

Commercial Feed Analysis Library

Over the years individual ECIR Group members have sent various commercial feeds to be tested then generously shared the information. The Commercial Feed Analysis Library is a new term for an old file folder where any member can go and view unbiased analyses of commercial feeds. These analyses are a valuable part of the science that the ECIR uses to help our IR and PPID horses and are valuable tools used to prevent laminitis. 

If you have an analysis of a commercial feed please, instead of uploading it to your own folder, please consider sharing it with the entire group by notifying us here. 

View the Commercial Feed Analysis Library 

Thanks for your help and cooperation.

- ECIR Group Owners and Support Team

 


Re: Question About Flavored Teas/Herbs

Lynn
 

Hi Cass....the NUZU Stabul 1 has worked really well....he finally reached a decent weight in November (it took a year of adjusting the Stabul 1 / hay under the direction of my vet to get him there)...that's a good idea about putting the supplements in a smaller feeding and then feeding the larger amount plain - i had not thought of that.  I was also looking at the ODTBC pellets as well....I don't add any water ....just the flax oil and the CocoSoya oil.  And yes i do specify grain amount and i pre-make the flax oil and the Cocosoya oil in little baby foot plastic tubs...Cocosoya is blue, flax oil is red. And i make up the baggies....so all they have to do is dump 1 red, 1 blue and the baggy into the Stabul 1. i'll have to consider the ALCAR as well...I'll start with salt, see what happens and then check him on the ALCAR etc.  Good thoughts! Thanks!
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: About Vitamin A supplement

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

How about just feeding (1) 10,000iu capsule every 3-4 days so it averages out over the course of a week or two?
Vitamin A is fat soluble so what isn't used gets stored for later.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Gavis new hoof photos Tried very hard sorry mot so great

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Tara,

I took  quick look but I won't have time to comment until Wed.

How is Gavi reacting to the trim? Any changes in his comfort level? Is he in padded boots most of the time?

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Photo help

Cindy Q
 

Hi Lori

If you click on the 2nd link in your signature, it should bring you to your photo album called "Lori and Ables photos". On the top should be a button that says "+ Add  Photos". Clicking that allows you to browse to where your photos are on the same computer/phone (my phone is android) to select your photo files for uploading.

I think you need to create a new album for Bodie called "Lori and Bodie". You can do that by going to this link: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photos
and selecting "New Album" on top.
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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore


Re: learning to file hooves yourself #understandingtrim

Cindy Q
 

Hi Chris

I bought the dvd set myself but I'm only on dvd 4 still haha.

I suggest the following (which are not answering your specific question sorry but I find helped me):
1) video your trimmer doing the trim if she allows. Or at least video the foot that she thinks needs the most work everytime. The video also allows you to study her posture and technique regarding how she handles the hoof/rasp etc.
2) Take clear photos right after the trimmer is done with the various ECIR angles (and if it's meant to be ground level, get the camera down to the ground and do not go in too close or the sides of the picture can be distorted (this is a technical issue with how camera lense and focus length work). These are useful as a reference and will help you recognise the imbalances and distortions as they start creeping in.
3) Be conservative when you work. After you trim, take photos again and study them (try to take them at about the same distance always for better comparison).
5) The next week, you can touch up more based on your own analysis of your photos. It could be minor or only on a particular foot.

Good luck!
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Cindy - Sep 2017, Singapore

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