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Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.22.18 - Half Way!

Jackie W
 

Nancy, I would like to donate, but I really don’t want to get involved with MightyCause. They want a lot of personal information and I’ve never heard of them. Is there any way to do it through paypal to an address? Thanks!  Jackie

 

From: main@ECIR.groups.io [mailto:main@ECIR.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy C
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:00 PM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: [ECIR] Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.22.18 - Half Way!

 

Thanks to the generosity of the members of this group, we're half way there. We now have 57 recurring donations and many other one-time donations. Thank you! This is a great start!

To qualify for the $6,000 match, promised to us by a friend of the ECIR Group Inc., we need just 43 more recurring donations by December 31. Can you help us?

Prior to this fund-raising effort, the ECIR Group averaged $125 in recurring monthly donations. That’s all! The bulk of our funds come from the NO Laminitis! Conferences and other general donations, similar to the $6,000 match for this fund-raising campaign. Having a monthly funding base and support from members will help us significantly in planning for important projects, including the online Case History project, which is of utmost importance.

If you can help us reach our goal of 100 recurring monthly donors by the end of 2018, just $5 per month will make a big impact.

To access the Mightcause/Razoo Button please click here: https://bit.ly/2PBDWK4.

Click on the Mightcause/Razoo Button, and when on the Mightycause page Click on CUSTOM to enter your amount, then DONATE MONTHLY.

Thank you so much from the Directors, Officers, and dedicated volunteers and supporters of the ECIR Group.

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Inc. Treasurer and Director
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


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Jackie and Megan
Palm Bay, FL
Joined March 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Megan


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

hdavis
 

I am late to the party but signed up for a monthly donation today!  Thanks for all the people here and for ECIR as helped save my pony!!!
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

 Photos
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0  .



Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Please outline it and get a picture up. I think you might be describing the periople.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Can you get a picture or two?

If you put a diaper onto the hooves, that covers all the way up the hoof and coronary band, will they still fit inside the boots? The diaper would keep things dry everywhere.

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Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Jackie,

Dec 31st:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/230287

--
Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Safe Feeds list

dbellusci
 

It was nothing caused by the company. I buy (bought) alot at once since I have to travel so far to pick it up with my gas-guzzling truck, and then stacked it in my feedroom. Apparently because of the never ending rain the soil under my barn stayed wet all summer, and I lost alot of hay in my hay barn as well. After a while I was noticing the bags seemed dusty inside, but didn't seem moldy. Then in subsequent bags there was an accumulation of the dust clinging to the bag that seemed oily, and when I went through the pellets with bright light and reading glasses I could see a greenish tinge on the pellets. Became more obvious as I pulled out bags closer to the floor (although  I had plastic on the floor). Only the really green ones smelled. There's always a little dust, but this dust looked weird and felt slimy on my hands so I knew it was off. At least they aren't green pellets to begin with, which helps!

--
Donna and Caz

 

Nov 8, 2016

Chesterfield, NJ

Caz Case History.pdf 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3907

 


Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Heidi Wright
 

Thank you Lavinia,

I will try leaving the boots off overnight and see if he can tolerate it.  Unfortunately the new growth is what is soft.   The wedge is growing out pretty quickly and its not weight bearing, and is hard.  I am worried about the new growth which looks "scurfy" and is soft.  Would it he he to put Keratex on it?
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Heidi Wright
joined Aug 15, 2018
5130 State Route 38
Malta, IL  60150
815-761-2341

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heidi%20and%20Skyler 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=69604


Re: Target still sore

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kathie,

Sorry that Target is having such a tough time of it.

And that your farrier is being so difficult. Unfortunately, it is a fairly common reaction. Although we can't actually hold her feet in our hands, being "1000 miles away" doesn't affect reading of her radiographs - which clearly showed that her toes were miles too long, heels were under run, walls were flaring back in April. Comparing the recent pix to those rads also showed that there had been no change to the trim in the intervening time. You have started to implement the needed changes so is possible that abscessing is part of the latest trouble she is having as these changes are starting to improve the way her feet function and that in turn could be mobilizing trapped material. Although hard on her, and miserable for you to watch, it would be a good thing. Still need to keep on tightening up the trim, however, to get the mechanics as ideal as possible. Toes need to come back more, flares all around can be brought inward.

It is also possible that the cold weather is having an impact. If that is the case, then keeping her legs and feet warm is going to be necessary to help.

Although fixing the mechanics is important, if the underlying cause isn't removed she will still be hurting. Getting her insulin down will be crucial, so tight diet and mineral balancing is needed (know you are working on this aspect). Need one of the vets to comment on the metformin and glyburide portion.

If she has PPID (Cushings) then she will need medication to control it. Without the meds, you won't be able to get her insulin done enough (even with metformin and glyburide on board) as the PPID would be another factor driving the numbers up. You can test for PPID at any time. Need one of the vets to comment on whether just a straight ACTH test or the TRH Stim test would be a better option at this time.

I know you were using the fiber crunch to get her to eat well but with it containing so much alfalfa it maybe you can cut it out as well, just to be on the safe side.

Hang in there, scritches to Target.

--
Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Jackie W
 

When is the last day to donate that would count towards your goal? Thanks!
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Jackie and Megan
Palm Bay, FL
Joined March 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Megan


ECIR Group - Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance #FACTS

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Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Heidi,

If he's comfortable in his stall without the boots then try leaving them off.

New growth is only located at the top of the hoof capsule, beneath the coronary band. Everything below that is old material that has grown down so anything you are seeing at ground level is old, damaged wall that has limited strength. The heat and moisture inside of hoof boots will soften this type of material very quickly, making it crumble easily and highlighting what still needs to grow out/be removed before you get to healthier, solidly attached new growth. If the soft area is confined to the dorsal wall, it is in the area that was wedge on the 11-2-2018 rads.

--
Lavinia and George Too
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
ECIR Support Team


Re: nutrition

Lorna Cane
 


Re: nutrition

Lorna Cane
 
Edited

Hi Kathie,

I'm  sorry it's such a struggle right now.Been there,done that.
I can try to make a couple of suggestions but without current details filled in in your CH, I'm unable to follow well enough to be comfortable giving advice.

For starters,though,I would contact Scott again and get the details nailed down.Make notes beforehand of your questions and concerns.Be sure he answers them all.I know him to be very helpful, but sometimes can need a nudge,as he's very busy.
Details means grams / mgs of everything in the mix, right ?
As far as mixing your own minerals,lots of us have done it. Do it.
It can be tedious,but inexpensive and worthwhile.If it were me I'd  try to get things worked out with Scott first.
But years ago I added individual minerals to bucket feed for my then - 9 horses. Then I learned how to calculate grams/mgs of each mineral needed for each horse per day, times 60 days. I took Dr.Kellon's NRC Plus course, read the files in our sister group, ECIR Horsekeeping, read Patti's website ( my mind is blank,I'll  get back to you), and sweat a lot,hoping not to make mistakes.

I would also cease feeding all alfalfa,just in case.

And I would be sure their trims were appropriate.

Sorry to be so inadequate, but hope something I've  said is helpful.

--

Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf

 


Great news on my boy Shark!

Candice Piraino
 

Hey all!

Ok so after SEVERAL months of being off food- Shark has been eating ALL of his food for the past few weeks now! YAY!

But WAIT that's not all!!!!

Had his ATCH levels checked AND when we started his numbers weren't even on the scale and were over 1250+

I was told by the vet his ATCH came back at 72!!!!! YAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!

I tiered him up to 1.5 mg of Prascend and he is still eating!!!! I will check his numbers again in a few weeks (when I can afford the test and to allow his body to adjust to the new dosage)!!!!

So very glad I was persistent and changed to Vermont Blend and the Omega E :)

I will have to contact an admin person to help me update his case history. I have a "new" computer and its a MAC, and it won't allow me to copy or update his case history. Not sure if I should start over and upload it....??

Thank you all for your assistance and encouragement! I am now being nickered to every time I come out of the house and he is back to HIMSELF :)


--
Candice Piraino
September 2018, Summerfield, FL
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Candice%20and%20Shark
Shark's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=71507  .


nutrition

bokayarabians@...
 


--I need help with the nutrition at my barn. I had the hay balanced by Jaini, but we weren't sure Scott did it right. Three of the horses will not eat it, so are not getting the proper minerals needed. He said he had to add a ton of amino acids to get the protein up. We needed 400 g and the label said there was 60. Some other things on the label were not asked for by Jaini, so we are not sure what was in the bag. My feed mill says they can sell me the ingredients to balance the hay, but I will have to add them each day to each horse, as they can't make up such a small amount each month. They also don't have anything small enough to mix it in. Do you think this would work? Or should I go back to Mad Barn and try again? I did talk to the nutritionist at the pro fibre crunch mill and he told me that it was 50% alfalfa. It has a number of things added, vitamin E 120 iu. vit A and  D and various amounts of minerals etc. I don't think there is enough of anything to count as the daily requirement so would have to add my own as well. I just think there must be something missing because  of my 8 horses 5 are not well. Something is wrong and I can't seem to find it. Can anyone help?
Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
Case Histories
Target Photos
Sweet P Photos
Addy Photos
Cherokee Photos


Re: Target still sore

bokayarabians@...
 

I think maybe the cold weather pushed her over the edge. She will not eat the mineral balancer, and the fibre crunch was recommended by the group vets. I did talk yesterday with a nutritionist from the company and he said that it is 50% alfalfa! She does not get any other alfalfa. I have not had a cushings test done, as I didn't know if it was the right time to do it? I had her on metformin and glyburide, but had to syringe it in as she wouldn't eat it and it burned her lips. She is not on that any more either. I am wondering if maybe she is getting abscess in both feet. She is more sore each day, this morning she had a tough time trying to turn around to come for her hay. Poor girl!
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Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
Case Histories
Target Photos
Sweet P Photos
Addy Photos
Cherokee Photos


Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Donna Powell
 


Keratex is good too. Use it on my TB in wet times...like now.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Heidi Wright
<heidirite@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I have my foundered horse in Soft ride boots or Stratus boots 24/7.  I noticed this past week that the new growth on one of his hoofs is soft, like you could almost dent it with your fingernail, on the dorsal wall.  The hoof material looks rough/not healthy.   I assumed that it was getting fungus from being in the boots so much.  Has anyone had this problem and what have you done about it?  I rubbed some No Thrush powder on it tonight.

I would love to build him up to going without boots at night in his stall.  We have Soft Stall flooring and bed deep, so maybe it will work.  He is moving sound in his boots but definitely needs his boots to be comfortable as he moves around his little paddock, and yet I feel like his hoofs need air and longer drying out periods.  I work full time so it's tricky figuring out how to do this unless I just let him go overnight without boots and then put them back on in the morning before he turns out.

Thanks for your ideas.
--
Heidi Wright
joined Aug 15, 2018
5130 State Route 38
Malta, IL  60150
815-761-2341

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heidi%20and%20Skyler 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=69604


Re: Safe Feeds list

Shevawn Romine
 

What occurred that Stabul 1 spoiled?   Did it mold and you could smell it or something else?


--
Cassie and Shevawn
03/2015   Gordon, TX
CH folder:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shevawn%20and%20Cassie 
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=76832 


Re: Hoof wall quality of foundered horse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Could you post photos with the area outlined with a marker? I'd try him out of boots overnight.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Volunteers Needed! - Fri, 12/28/2018 #cal-notice

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Volunteers Needed!

When:
Friday, 28 December 2018

Where:
At your computer

Description:

Everything you learn from the ECIR outreach groups is the result of many hardworking people from all backgrounds who share the passion for our special horses. The ECIR group is made up of veterinarians, farriers, nutritionists, and medical doctors. There are those of us who do not have scientific backgrounds, but are everyday horse owners who found our way to ECIR when we didn’t know where to turn.

ECIR Group is over 9,000 international members on Groups.io outreach alone.  By collecting histories and laboratory data from thousands of horses with PPID and IR, we have been able to carefully monitor responses to treatment and management changes, both good and bad. This is real life, in-the-barn, research at its best. It is also the largest field trial in the world.  No one else has what the ECIR Group has.

There is much more to come. This work can not be done without the help of a growing group of passionate volunteers, many of whom you have never seen. We are all educators who make our world a better place by sharing the knowledge we gain from our experiences and our skill sets. 


If you have the time and passion to give back to the ECIR Group,

we want to hear from you!

Please fill out the Volunteer Form


Time commitment will vary from ongoing projects and tasks to specific short-term needs.