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Re: Triple Crown Timothy Balanced Cubes

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Susan,

The owner, Aurelio, is very approachable and helpful. If it were me,I would get in touch with him.

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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/PPID%20and%20IR%20Success%20Stories/Success%20Story%20%233%20-%20Lorna%20and%20Ollies%20Story.pdf

 


Triple Crown Timothy Balanced Cubes

thelittlebarnonwhiteoakfarm@...
 

Has anyone noticed that it appears that either the formula has changed or the cubes look different.  I got a bag of Triple Crown Naturals Timothy Balanced Cubes with the lavender label and the cubes look really like a dark brown and smell a little different too.  Looks like they might be mostly beet pulp?   Anyone else get those?
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Susan and Colleen in CT

July 2012

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Susan%20and%20Colleen

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory6/photos/albums/577623162


Re: Resized_20181224_150046_5231.jpg

Kathy Thomas
 

Thank you, Nancy. On the bag it says that this feed is 60% alfalfa, so I am guessing it is not suitable.

Kathy


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Kathy 2017 and Donna

 

Harrowsmith, Ontario

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Nancy C
 

You are all set Melanie

You can check if your donations have gone through by logging into Mightycause, clicking on the member profile logo in the upper right corner of the screen, then your name and CONTRIBUTIONS in the middle of the screen.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Nancy C
 

Hi Tori

As far as we are concerned that would count as a second donation so yes, it would count.

If I may please, I need to point you to Mightycause as to how best to make that happen.  Unless you want to set up an account in this person's name, you could just make a comment in your remarks that this is a second donation in the name of or as a gift to.....

Hope that helps.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Melanie Christensen
 


-- Hi!

I signed up for monthly donation but my receipt doesn't show that.   Should I just wait for next month to see if $10 is taken out on the 26th of January?

Thank you,
 
Melanie, Clyde, and Sugar Jan 2015
Red Lake County, MN  USA
Case Histories 
Sugar's Photo Album 
Clyde's Photo Album
Ω


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Sandy Carr
 

May I suggest you add a “plea” to the ECIR FB page. I’m sure many people have been helped through it and follow only it, not the io group. Maybe even an early edition of Dr. K’s blog?
25 more....c’mon people! 
Sandy Carr and Andy

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:
We are at 75 recurring monthly donations!  We need 100 to secure the $6000 match from a Friend of the ECIR Group.

Thank you to all who have donated thus far.

Here is a summary of answers to questions that have come up in the last week or so:

The fee charged by Mightycause is far less than what we would have to pay to register in the States that require us to do so in order to fund raise. Mightycause provides a service that works well of ECIR.

One-time donations -- while we love them too -- do not count toward the goal of securing 100 recurring donors in 2018.

You can donate as little as $5 per month.

International members may also donate.  Exchange rates apply.

New Zealand exchange rate is currently $.67/1 so a $5 donation would be $7.43

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=5&From=USD&To=NZD

You can check if your donations have gone through by logging into Mightycause, clicking on the member profile logo in the upper right corner of the screen, then your name and CONTRIBUTIONS in the middle of the screen.

Carol Grubb -- your payment went through on 12.22 but it is not a recurring donation. Please see if Mightycause will let you change this. Here's an info page.

https://blog.mightycause.com/support/how-to-setup-and-manage-a-recurring-donation/

Besides helpful info, there is a support email link at the bottom of the above page.

If you are not getting access to the site, it is usually helpful to close out and try again at another time.

If your donation has gone through you should be sent to a thank page AND receive one via email AND get an e-card from President Jaini. Check you spam box pretty please.

Let me know if I missed any questions!

A million thanks!
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. Treasurer and Director
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


--
Sandy

March 2017, Onalaska, WA, USA

Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . 
                        https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6171 .


Re: Horses Eating Stumps & Plywood Walls - EEEK!

Maxine McArthur
 

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 09:44 AM, Julie Thomas wrote:
I have read multiple articles, such as this one http://porta-grazer.com/why-you-should-not-use-hay-nets-bags-and-diy-feeders/, that list reasons why feeding with hay nets is not healthy for horses. 
Hi Julie
Sorry I didn't read the article, but I feed a mixture of small mesh haynets tied to posts at about wither/chest level, haynets tied in heavy feeders on the ground, and loose hay in bathtubs (quickly becomes loose hay strewn all over the yard). 
I've had no particular troubles doing this. Both bodyworkers I use for my riding horses say they think feeding some hay at wither height is a good idea as the horses generally square up when they eat. I have indeed noticed this, particularly in the horse that always stands with his left foot forward when eating from the ground.

 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Feeding large round bale hay

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's no reason to restrict them if they are not overweight.  Yes, they will binge when they get back to the bale if pulled off it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com  Tis The Season 2 for 1 Sale
EC Owner 2001


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

 

Thanks, Nancy!


On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

We are at 75 recurring monthly donations!  We need 100 to secure the $6000 match from a Friend of the ECIR Group.

Thank you to all who have donated thus far.

Here is a summary of answers to questions that have come up in the last week or so:

The fee charged by Mightycause is far less than what we would have to pay to register in the States that require us to do so in order to fund raise. Mightycause provides a service that works well of ECIR.

One-time donations -- while we love them too -- do not count toward the goal of securing 100 recurring donors in 2018.

You can donate as little as $5 per month.

International members may also donate.  Exchange rates apply.

New Zealand exchange rate is currently $.67/1 so a $5 donation would be $7.43

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=5&From=USD&To=NZD

You can check if your donations have gone through by logging into Mightycause, clicking on the member profile logo in the upper right corner of the screen, then your name and CONTRIBUTIONS in the middle of the screen.

Carol Grubb -- your payment went through on 12.22 but it is not a recurring donation. Please see if Mightycause will let you change this. Here's an info page.

https://blog.mightycause.com/support/how-to-setup-and-manage-a-recurring-donation/

Besides helpful info, there is a support email link at the bottom of the above page.

If you are not getting access to the site, it is usually helpful to close out and try again at another time.

If your donation has gone through you should be sent to a thank page AND receive one via email AND get an e-card from President Jaini. Check you spam box pretty please.

Let me know if I missed any questions!

A million thanks!
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. Treasurer and Director
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Tori Cullins
 

Can we make donations in someone else's name (like a 'gift' to them) and still have it count towards the 100 for matching funds? Name of donor would be someone else, but name on credit card, address, etc. would be a duplicate of my previous donation. Tried this once on an unrelated cause/app but my additional donation/s didnt count towards the matching funds... 
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Tori and Orion

April 2015, Eagle Point, Oregon

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Orion

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=808

 


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Tori Cullins
 


--
Tori and Orion

April 2015, Eagle Point, Oregon

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Orion

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=808



Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Nancy C
 

Try this Andrea

https://blog.mightycause.com/support/how-to-setup-and-manage-a-recurring-donation/

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Andrea Dixon
 

Is it possible to make a recurring donation that is for 12 months? I would like to donate but at this time would like to put a 1 year cap. (I was going to make a lump sum but have read this email and want my dollars to be used as effectively as possible). 
Regards,
Andrea Dixon 


On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

We are at 75 recurring monthly donations!  We need 100 to secure the $6000 match from a Friend of the ECIR Group.

Thank you to all who have donated thus far.

Here is a summary of answers to questions that have come up in the last week or so:

The fee charged by Mightycause is far less than what we would have to pay to register in the States that require us to do so in order to fund raise. Mightycause provides a service that works well of ECIR.

One-time donations -- while we love them too -- do not count toward the goal of securing 100 recurring donors in 2018.

You can donate as little as $5 per month.

International members may also donate.  Exchange rates apply.

New Zealand exchange rate is currently $.67/1 so a $5 donation would be $7.43

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=5&From=USD&To=NZD

You can check if your donations have gone through by logging into Mightycause, clicking on the member profile logo in the upper right corner of the screen, then your name and CONTRIBUTIONS in the middle of the screen.

Carol Grubb -- your payment went through on 12.22 but it is not a recurring donation. Please see if Mightycause will let you change this. Here's an info page.

https://blog.mightycause.com/support/how-to-setup-and-manage-a-recurring-donation/

Besides helpful info, there is a support email link at the bottom of the above page.

If you are not getting access to the site, it is usually helpful to close out and try again at another time.

If your donation has gone through you should be sent to a thank page AND receive one via email AND get an e-card from President Jaini. Check you spam box pretty please.

Let me know if I missed any questions!

A million thanks!
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. Treasurer and Director
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Donations to ECIR - UPDATE 12.26.18 - Making progress!

Nancy C
 

We are at 75 recurring monthly donations!  We need 100 to secure the $6000 match from a Friend of the ECIR Group.

Thank you to all who have donated thus far.

Here is a summary of answers to questions that have come up in the last week or so:

The fee charged by Mightycause is far less than what we would have to pay to register in the States that require us to do so in order to fund raise. Mightycause provides a service that works well of ECIR.

One-time donations -- while we love them too -- do not count toward the goal of securing 100 recurring donors in 2018.

You can donate as little as $5 per month.

International members may also donate.  Exchange rates apply.

New Zealand exchange rate is currently $.67/1 so a $5 donation would be $7.43

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=5&From=USD&To=NZD

You can check if your donations have gone through by logging into Mightycause, clicking on the member profile logo in the upper right corner of the screen, then your name and CONTRIBUTIONS in the middle of the screen.

Carol Grubb -- your payment went through on 12.22 but it is not a recurring donation. Please see if Mightycause will let you change this. Here's an info page.

https://blog.mightycause.com/support/how-to-setup-and-manage-a-recurring-donation/

Besides helpful info, there is a support email link at the bottom of the above page.

If you are not getting access to the site, it is usually helpful to close out and try again at another time.

If your donation has gone through you should be sent to a thank page AND receive one via email AND get an e-card from President Jaini. Check you spam box pretty please.

Let me know if I missed any questions!

A million thanks!
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. Treasurer and Director
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Feeding large round bale hay

Lynnae Englund
 

Living in rural Oklahoma and we put up our  own hay and for others.  Some years we are short on hay and I have to buy from others. So I have not tested the hay as I don't have access for all my feed to come from one source. I feed large round bales free choice, as feeding small square bales with more portion control is very costly.  My Cushings horse Stormy maintains well on this and 1 tab of Pergolide. My IR horse Misty does well too and neither are too fat or cresty. I keep both off grass and in a large dry lot. My question is, should I restrict their intake of hay like this  or leave well enough alone? If I pen them away from the hay for some time each day to restrict intake, will they just binge eat when they get back to the bale?  Do any of you have to manage your horses on large bales?
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Lynnae

Stormy

May 2017

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/filessearch?q=Lynnae

 


Re: Resized_20181224_150046_5231.jpg

Nancy C
 

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 06:05 PM, Kathy Thomas wrote:
Maaax alfalfa Timothy forage cubes
HI Kathy

Can't find any info on analysis on their web site.  If you are truly wanting to sue these, vs Ontario Dehy for example, I would write the company and ask them for analysis. With many cubes like this the ESC and Starch can vary.
 
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Safe Feeds list

Nancy C
 

Hi Jeannean

As you can see here, the testing is wildly different than what is listed on the website for this feed. One member horse went in to laminitis just on a change to this feed before the company was sold. Breaks my heart because in years past TC was always ahead of the curve in supporting ECIR member horses.

I've been using Poulin Carb Safe (also 6% fat) which I think you can get in your area.  My guys are not currently off the charts insulin-wise. They get about 1.5 pounds a day in two feedings. When my never-controlled IR boy Beau was alive, I used ODTB Cubes and a flavoring of Nuzu Stabul1.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Ideal Level of Protein in Hay

Nancy C
 

Would like to add a few things on protein for EMS and PPID horses. 

What we strive for here is 8-10%, however, members have used higher and lower successfully when they had few choices. Most hays are more than adequate.

We have seen very high protein affect some EMS horses. Unless there is new info that I have missed, we don't know why this is. It is not causing a blood sugar spike from gluconeogenesis as Dr Kellon outlines here:

https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/alfalfa-and-the-ir-horse/

Agree that higher protein could indicate higher nitrates and this needs to be checked.  Depending upon the horse and how high the nitrates are they may also be dealt with through soaking and balancing.

Protein needs to be adequate and the best way to determine if needs are met is through testing and doing the math.  But amino acids may be an issue for EMS/PPID horses even if the overall dietary protein is adequate.  Often for these horses we recommend adding lysine and other amino acids.

For hays below 8%, using additional protein may be in order, but again seeing the whole picture is needed. IMO, too many folks just assume protein when other significant issues may be at play. Loss of weight, topline, muscle mass, can also be from uncontrolled PPID, inadequate calories, worms, inability to chew effectively, etc. Here's a great recap post from Jaini:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/174367

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
DDT+E = effective treatment for PPID and EMS/IR equines: https://bit.ly/2J4ZgYT

 


Re: Safe Feeds list

Shevawn Romine
 

I had changed to TC Lite this past summer,  and saw extreme increase in crest hardness and finally full blown laminitis.    I thought no way could a couple pounds of that <10% feed have contributed , until I saw the testing results on samples sent in by other members.   Had to eliminate it.   


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Cassie and Shevawn
03/2015   Gordon, TX
CH folder:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shevawn%20and%20Cassie 
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=76832