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Re: LaminaSaver

Sherry Morse
 

Lesley the ingredients are 'a proprietary blend' which is usually code for 'different herbs which may or may not be helpful in the quantities in the product'.




Cheapest Prascend

amy in VA
 

Hi all
My vet has become resistant to prescribing compounded pergolide and I fear that soon I will be dosing 2 horses (1 is on 4mg and the other on 1 mg) with the Rx formula. I may be looking for job to pay for this. So,
what is cheapest source for Prascend, bought in the 160 tablet size? Thanks!
Amy in Va
2005


Re: Solar Penetration

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Nicolle,

Both Colloidal Silver and Manuka Honey have antimicrobrial properties.Even raw honey does.
About the spray I mentioned,I *think* it is to be used more as a bandage,on wounds not easily bandaged.I'm a bit confused because it also says not to use on open wounds.Say what? 
Not sure what to say but my vet recommended it to me last year when dealing with a nasty wound,and the thing healed beautifully.
The brand is AlShield by Partnar Animal Health. Aerosol Bandage. Website says 120g cost $216.00.Hogwash.
Others,though,have offered good suggestions of products they found to work well.

What is her temp this morning? 

I think you know that coronary band needs to be clean and covered.Old sock/duct tape/gater  might be good. Orother specially made products. 
--
Lorna in Eastern Ontario
2002


Re: New Member- Recurrent Laminitis in 2015 Paso Fino Mare

Tracy
 

Hi Becky-
Fellow Paso owner here - there are several of us on this group.
Agree with putting Sali on the emergency diet for now. 
Paso's are insanely easy keepers.  My gelding had la aminitic episode last fall that we're still battling.
I get one step forward and then we go back two.
Vet is out tomorrow morning for a blood draw.  Sigh.
Just saying hello to a fellow Paso person.
Hang in there and use the advice from this group.

Tracy

--
Tracy and Salsa (1999 model year Paso Fino)
Middle TN USA, September 2019
Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tracy%20and%20Salsa
Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95827


Re: LaminaSaver

Lesley Bludworth
 

Dr Kellon,
Regarding laminasaver. I cannot imagine there is j herb in it.
It is white powder that tases like whey protein. 
--
Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Solar Penetration

 

A large wool  sock filled with rolled oats, buckwheat might work well to make a donut.  A blow up or filled travel neck pillow would also work if it were sturdy enough.  

--
Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gail%20and%20Brother%20-%20Odin%20-%20Decaffe%20%20-Gunthar .


Bute seemed to really help

Lesley Bludworth
 

Was reading through old posts.
Uckele DC is not recommended for IR horse?
Yucca is too high in starch?
Was going to alternate phytoquench plus DC with the Uckele DC as syringing the phytoquench is not easy on either of us.  Stuff smells awful!
--
Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: How long can Devils Claw be used

grandmalynn44
 

Thanks for the suggestion on adjusting the pads. I’m going to work on that. I’m not sure about the jiaogulan. She almost seems worse on it. Is that possible? Her gums have gotten more pink so I thought she was on the right amount.  This morning she was laying down and reluctant to get up. She seemed very stiff. Yesterday I found her licking wet dirt near her water trough.  I don’t know what to make of that. This is absolutely the worst she has ever been.  I was able to get some Devils claw yesterday but not sure how to get it into her. Any suggestions on any of this would be helpful. I’m going to update her case history but she was tested for PPID this spring and put on one mg of pergolide. Retested and her acth came down from 100 to 22. Her hay is the same she’s been on before all this happened. Supplements all the same except for the addition of jiaogulan last week. Her insulin has always been high but earlier this spring she was trotting and at rare times running up to get fed. 
-- .  
Lynn McKechnie

N. California, May, 2011

Mica:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Mica  
Bodie:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bodie
Bodie photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253481


Re: Solar Penetration

Nancy C
 

Hi Nicole

I would check with your vet as to which is best for her infected sores. If you have staff going on they can become resistant to treatment and cause other serious internal issues.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: Remy - Seasonal rise concerns - Testing questions added

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

Agree with Sherry and Martha on their comments.

My goal testing ACTH was to make sure his results were in the teens. That allowed him to do best through the winter even with insulin remaining at 50+ mg/dL

Testing ACTH may or may not give you clear answers, but personally I'd want to do it anyway. Things can change and I'd want the info included.

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: Solar Penetration

Nicolle Dupont
 

Hi,

At present her left hip bedsore is quite infected, I would consider it a grade 4.  What would be the best thing to put on that?  I have been doing the Silver Honey (colloidal silver and manuka honey) but not sure if that also has antibiotic properties.  Polysporin?  I have upped the dressing change to 2x daily, not sure if that is too much.

I am not sure if that wound or her coronary band blowout are causing her high temperatures.  They both got bad around the same time.  She was 101 F yesterday a.m.and up to 103.1 F last night.

She is just finishing her third round of Doxy and I would need to get another Rx today.  Is Doxy or Apo Sulfrtrim better for wounds?  She is not metbolic so I think the sulfa thing would be OK.

--
Nicolle D in BC Canada 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nicolle%20and%20Elsa
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=276759


Re: Hay Analysis

Nancy C
 

Hi Kathy

I use the method for drying from DairyOne using a microwave.

https://dairyone.com/download/forage-determining-dry-matter-with-a-microwave-oven/

Make sure you keep an eye on it b/c id it gets too dry it can catch.  I use this because I can pickup off the field, dry the sample quickly and get an answer to my hay guy in a few days.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



ROSE from Hawaii........Re: Hawaii horse with Equine Metabolic Syndrom

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Rose,

I know you were having trouble finding messages. Just checking to see if you are able to see them now.
Fingers crossed.


--
Lorna in Eastern Ontario
2002


Re: Hay Analysis

 

Hi, Kathy. Dry the soaked hay in the shade away from the dusty barn. I move it from the hay net to a laundry bag for drying, which usually takes a couple of days. Make sure the hay feels dry before you package and send it. 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Seasonal rise

Lesley Bludworth
 

Thank you 


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:53:45 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Seasonal rise
 
Ah ok - I was thinking you meant 2 weeks from the blood draw!

Yes for the 10am test, you want her to start eating no later than 6am if she's out of hay after midnight.




--
Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Solar Penetration

Joy V
 

I second Schreiners.  In 2017 my horse ripped open his shoulder, a wound about the size of the palm of my hand.  The vet said it couldn't be stitched b/c of the location.  I used Schreiners only and it healed beautifully.  Highly recommend.

--
Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  Willie's Case History
Willie's photo album:  Willie's Photos


Re: Seasonal rise

Sherry Morse
 

Ah ok - I was thinking you meant 2 weeks from the blood draw!

Yes for the 10am test, you want her to start eating no later than 6am if she's out of hay after midnight.




Re: Seasonal rise

Lesley Bludworth
 

Thank you Sherry,
The 2 weeks takes into account that she wont be here for a week, the test is monday at 10am, results back in 4 to 5 days... so 11 to 12 days from now?
And for my girl, I should feed soaked hay at 6 AM or earlier for a 10  insulin and glucose test?

From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:40 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Seasonal rise
 
Hi Lesley,

At this point we are getting into 'chasing the rise' but if you change the dose now you won't be able to test and see if that's working for 3 more weeks (August 30) which is that much closer to the rise.  So you are at a point we don't like anyone to be at.  

As far as the behavior - is this something that only presented before he was diagnosed with PPID and did it disappear 100% when treatment started and this is the first time it's been exhibited since?

Just as an aside, it should not take 2 weeks to get test results back from Cornell.  If your vet Fed Exs the blood on Monday for arrival on Tuesday you should have results by Friday or the following Monday.





--
Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Re: Seasonal rise

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Lesley,

At this point we are getting into 'chasing the rise' but if you change the dose now you won't be able to test and see if that's working for 3 more weeks (August 30) which is that much closer to the rise.  So you are at a point we don't like anyone to be at.  

As far as the behavior - is this something that only presented before he was diagnosed with PPID and did it disappear 100% when treatment started and this is the first time it's been exhibited since?

Just as an aside, it should not take 2 weeks to get test results back from Cornell.  If your vet Fed Exs the blood on Monday for arrival on Tuesday you should have results by Friday or the following Monday.





Re: Solar Penetration

Nicolle Dupont
 

Hi Lavinia,

She had a trim on June 14 by our barefoot farrier who was aware of her situation.  I slightly rasped her heels and her toes vertically on July 4 and again on July 16.  She has been laying down since July 25.

--
Nicolle D in BC Canada 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nicolle%20and%20Elsa
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=276759

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