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Re: Banamine/Gabapentin/Pentoxifylline

Alysoun Mahoney
 
Edited

Sherry I have been in touch with Daisy Bicking. She is trying to make it work to see Charlie, and that's my dream (she has worked with and trained my first two farriers who were both excellent) -- but I'm not sure the timing will work with her busy schedule, so I'm desperately looking at alternatives too. See my message #11637  in the Hoof Care subgroup. Do you have any other ideas?

I should add that although I was hoping to avoid shipping him, I am now looking at that as a last resort -- and have another round of x-rays scheduled for Tuesday, which should indicate whether it is safe for his hooves to be on a trailer.
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Alysoun M in PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alysoun%20and%20Charlie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275965 


Re: Diet examples for non-IR/PPID laminitis recovery?

Caroline
 

One thought, I have a client who's TB also tests normal but is very sensitive to stressed grass and gets footy and looks laminitic if the grass gets too short.  Free choice long grass is no problem - he isn't overweight - but a typical overgrazed paddock makes him ill.
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Caroline
Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK
September 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Caroline%20and%20Evan
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=231916


Re: splits in heel bulbs; need help lavinia, dr kellon or someone who has experienced this

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Need to see pictures of the current trim but generally, those cracks indicate that his heels are run under. The frogs then get pulled down and under as they follow the rest of the foot running forward and they start to split up into the sensitive tissues above as the foot isn't designed to stand on it's heel bulbs. 

The fix is to get the trim corrected so the heels stand back up and the entire hoof capsule moves back under the horse.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Please help with hay analysis

epersh@...
 

I just uploaded the wet chemistry carb analysis results: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Edward%20and%20Atticus/EQ148649.pdf. Lo and behold, all numbers are higher than NIR. Thank you everyone for your comments. I learned my lesson.
Could you please help me interpret the results?

Thank you!
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Ed P in TX 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Edward%20and%20Atticus
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273196


Re: splits in heel bulbs; need help lavinia, dr kellon or someone who has experienced this

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Daisy,

Is this Tiko or another horse?  If it's Tiko we would need you to post pictures of his feet to be able to comment but have you treated him for Thrush, even if you think it's not related?  What has your farrier advised?
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Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)
EC Primary Response

PA 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891

 


Re: How to say "thank-you". Please help.

Trisha DePietro
 

Done with respect and gratitude to the moon and back!
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


splits in heel bulbs; need help lavinia, dr kellon or someone who has experienced this

Daisy Shepherd
 

does not appear to be thrush no odor  no discharge.  hay is balanced, dr kellon said supplements are fine.  splits started late 2021  or winter of 2022  just getting worse, one  about 1 inch from coronary band., moved in 9/2021 to new boarding place, started nanric rocker shoes in 10/2021;  poor guy moved to new board 5/2022 for some trainer help  and will return  to a change in board 6/30/2022.  all who look at his feet say that is not right but have no help to offer. can anybody help. i am so afraid  he will be lame so far does not seem in pain.     i am most grateful for ideas.  thank you, daisy, tiko,whisper
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Feeding an insulin resistant horse

Sherry Morse
 




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Feeding an insulin resistant horse

Heidi
 

My horse was diagnosed with Cushing's in April. But this week during her recheck it was noticed she has now tested positive for insulin resistance. She does not have laminitis she is a healthy weight and she is still working. Up until yesterday she was on one pill of precend a day.. my vet asked me to increase that to 1.5 a day. we are waiting for the leptin results but I suppose that will determine whether or not she wants to add her on the insulin wise. My question is what is a healthy carrier for her supplements.. she eats teff hay and I'm wondering does she even need a balancer.i will list her current feed
15 year old Andalusian/Arab
4 lbs of teff 3 times daily
1lb triple crown balancer 2 times daily
Msm 2x
1000 eu vit e 2x
Cal trace plus 2x
Half lb teff and alfalfa pellets mixed 2x
1 oz flax oil 2x
Quarter teaspoon of caylon cinnamon 2x
1 oz icelandic kelp 2x
1 teaspoon salt 2x
2 teaspoons boswellia 2x

It also was mentioned to me that her levels could be elevated because she was tested after she ate breakfast.could this be the case

Heidi V.
Orange county, CA
Member since June 2022


Fw: New Stabul 1 Flavor and Distributor

Sherry Morse
 

Just got this email from Stabul-1 and in case not all of our members are aware:


Hello, hope all is well!

Exciting news in Mid July, Chewy will have the new Pina Colada flavor Stabul 1 diet available! We are currently getting inventory shipped out for the launch.

Tractor Supply online has the new Pina Colada flavor available NOW! TSC is currently trying to get the rest of the flavors updated and available. Your online TSC order can be shipped directly to you.

Thank you so much.

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Anderson Feed Company
NuZu Feed
815-732-3338
 







Re: Updated case history plus hay/water analysis, diet review)

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Karen,

If you want to move files into folders you need to click on the scissor icon next to the file name and then select the folder you want to move the file into. It's not an easy, nor intuitive process to do this.




Re: How to say "thank-you". Please help.

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Diet examples for non-IR/PPID laminitis recovery?

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Alysoun,

No, there is no reason to keep him off grass other than you need to limit his movement until his trim is in better order.  Is there a reason you can't store hay in the 2 empty stalls in your barn as well as in whatever storage area you have as well?  We can usually squeeze about 50 square bales into a 12x12 stall when we're filling up on hay in the summer.




Re: Diet examples for non-IR/PPID laminitis recovery?

Alysoun Mahoney
 

Given this assessment, is there a reason to even continue keeping Charlie off grass, except for limiting his movement to allow his laminae to heal? In past years, I used very little hay from April thru October, and my horses got most of their forage from my own pasture grass.
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Alysoun M in PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alysoun%20and%20Charlie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275965 


Re: Diet examples for non-IR/PPID laminitis recovery?

Lorna Cane
 

Alysoun, if I understand you,the people who provide the hay will test it for you? ( the test you choose is crucial,and info is in your Welcome message)
I would take them up on that, providing the test is appropriate. But further,I would  ask if they have a number of test results in their files, from fields from which your hay comes.Since you can only test a few bales at a time(do we know the weight of those bales?), seeing a number of test results would give a general idea of how much difference there is from test to test.
I hope I'm making sense.

--
Lorna in Eastern Ontario
2002


Re: How to say "thank-you". Please help.

Lorna Cane
 

Like button is at bottom of Nancy's message,no?

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/279310

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Lorna in Eastern Ontario
2002


Re: How to say "thank-you". Please help.

Daisy Shepherd
 

nancy, i did vote  but did not find a like button.thank you,daisy


On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:40 AM Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:
To All Great ECIR Members --

"Good works” are selfless acts of giving back to the horse, for the sake of the horse and people they serve. ~ AAEP

That describes our head volunteer, Dr. Eleanor M. Kellon to a tee. Times ten. Times 1000.

Over the almost 20 years that I have known and worked with her, Dr. Kellon has continually awed me on almost a daily basis.  Her passion for the welfare of all equines, her knowledge of equine physiology,  her ability to cut through the noise, her willingness to patiently teach and to continue to learn, is a skill-set list second to none. All combine to provide support for caregivers during what is too often the very, very difficult experience of dealing with equine metabolic issues.

Animal health company, Zoetis and the AAEP are seeking nominations for deserving veterinarians to be recognized through their “Good Works for Horses” campaign.  https://aaep.org/good-works-nomination

The ECIR Group has nearly 10,000 members. I know each and every one of us can provide evidence of how the equines in our care have been helped by Dr. Kellon. Here is but a small sample:

  • I love and respect all your hard work. THANK YOU.
  • Thanks for being there and for your continued pursuit of ending this difficult condition.
  • Thank you for solid information and the willingness to share it.
  • Such a great resource. I have learned so much and appreciate the continued learning and support which allows me to better support my clients.
  • Thank you for providing support and information on probably one of the most important issues for the equines in our care.
  • The Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group has been so helpful to me and my horses, in so many ways. A thousand thanks to Dr. Kellon, and all of the dedicated volunteers!
  • I was "in the dark" when my first horse had PPID about thirty years ago.  I am not "in the dark" anymore. Now I have a highly IR mare that is thriving because of your knowledge and dedication to education. She would not be alive without you. My learning curve has been steep and it's a good feeling to not feel "out of control". Grateful every day!
  • “I knew there had to be a better way to manage this. I remembered reading an article in a magazine written by Eleanor M. Kellon, VMD. This is where I found the link to the ECIR group. Within 24 hours of joining, I received the ECIR protocol, had one-on-one help and access to the files. This is the advice that saved [my horse] and many others.”
  • [My horse] would probably not be here today if I hadn't found Dr. Kellon and the ECIR group. I was so overwhelmed and couldn't believe that this journey would ever have a happy ending. I'm very grateful for all this support. It seemed like there was way too much to learn. I worried all the time. I lost sleep over it. All that is a blur now.
Please join me in nominating Dr. Kellon today for AAEP/Zoetis “Good Works for Horses” at https://aaep.org/good-works-nomination and let both the AAEP and Zoetis know just how just much we all appreciate her. Nominations are open through August, but don’t wait!

Please note: Dr Kellon’s email is drkellon “at” gmail “dot” com. You can submit your nomination without a phone number. In the comments, I told them to contact me if/when a number was needed.

And if you would, please let us know you have voted by hitting “like” for this post on the ECIR groups.io webpage.

Many, many thanks to each of you.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



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Re: Diet examples for non-IR/PPID laminitis recovery?

Alysoun Mahoney
 

How urgent is it for me to test my hay? I have approx 15 bales from one delivery two weeks ago, and 10 bales from a delivery today, that are indeed different visually. Do I need to run out to Tractor Supply asap to buy tools to collect a sample of that for testing? Or wait until my next order in another two weeks? I get deliveries not directly from a farm, but from a MD-based company called The Mill of Bel Air which buys from a single large farm, and they can do testing for me upon request.
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Alysoun M in PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alysoun%20and%20Charlie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275965 


Re: How to say "thank-you". Please help.

@KTZiegler
 

Couldn’t figure out how to like on your site but voted & wrote something=) Thanks for all the support!!!

 

 

From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy C
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 11:40 AM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io
Subject: [Special] [ECIR] How to say "thank-you". Please help.

 

To All Great ECIR Members --

"Good works” are selfless acts of giving back to the horse, for the sake of the horse and people they serve. ~ AAEP

That describes our head volunteer, Dr. Eleanor M. Kellon to a tee. Times ten. Times 1000.

Over the almost 20 years that I have known and worked with her, Dr. Kellon has continually awed me on almost a daily basis.  Her passion for the welfare of all equines, her knowledge of equine physiology,  her ability to cut through the noise, her willingness to patiently teach and to continue to learn, is a skill-set list second to none. All combine to provide support for caregivers during what is too often the very, very difficult experience of dealing with equine metabolic issues.

Animal health company, Zoetis and the AAEP are seeking nominations for deserving veterinarians to be recognized through their “Good Works for Horses” campaign.  https://aaep.org/good-works-nomination

The ECIR Group has nearly 10,000 members. I know each and every one of us can provide evidence of how the equines in our care have been helped by Dr. Kellon. Here is but a small sample:

  • I love and respect all your hard work. THANK YOU.
  • Thanks for being there and for your continued pursuit of ending this difficult condition.
  • Thank you for solid information and the willingness to share it.
  • Such a great resource. I have learned so much and appreciate the continued learning and support which allows me to better support my clients.
  • Thank you for providing support and information on probably one of the most important issues for the equines in our care.
  • The Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group has been so helpful to me and my horses, in so many ways. A thousand thanks to Dr. Kellon, and all of the dedicated volunteers!
  • I was "in the dark" when my first horse had PPID about thirty years ago.  I am not "in the dark" anymore. Now I have a highly IR mare that is thriving because of your knowledge and dedication to education. She would not be alive without you. My learning curve has been steep and it's a good feeling to not feel "out of control". Grateful every day!
  • “I knew there had to be a better way to manage this. I remembered reading an article in a magazine written by Eleanor M. Kellon, VMD. This is where I found the link to the ECIR group. Within 24 hours of joining, I received the ECIR protocol, had one-on-one help and access to the files. This is the advice that saved [my horse] and many others.”
  • [My horse] would probably not be here today if I hadn't found Dr. Kellon and the ECIR group. I was so overwhelmed and couldn't believe that this journey would ever have a happy ending. I'm very grateful for all this support. It seemed like there was way too much to learn. I worried all the time. I lost sleep over it. All that is a blur now.

Please join me in nominating Dr. Kellon today for AAEP/Zoetis “Good Works for Horses” at https://aaep.org/good-works-nomination and let both the AAEP and Zoetis know just how just much we all appreciate her. Nominations are open through August, but don’t wait!

Please note: Dr Kellon’s email is drkellon “at” gmail “dot” com. You can submit your nomination without a phone number. In the comments, I told them to contact me if/when a number was needed.

And if you would, please let us know you have voted by hitting “like” for this post on the ECIR groups.io webpage.

Many, many thanks to each of you.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022


--
Kathy Ziegler in Ocala, FL 2022


Re: Equi-Biome

epersh@...
 
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I need to update his file. He has new tight and smooth hooves growing with a pronounced break in the angle compared to the old, lower part. The old thick bloody-red wedges are growing out - I trim him every week. His frog apexes  moved back about 3/4 of an inch. He's galloping around the pasture - I have not seen him moving as willingly since he was a colt. He has been wearing easycare stratus boots with thera pads ever since he foundered, but he trots around even if he loses them occasionally. His walls are completely off the ground other than the heel/bar juncture and the whole capsule is much, much shorter. The Pete Ramey's link you sent (distal descent) has been tremendously helpful. His two latest insulin tests are within the reference range (26 on soaked hay in mid-April, and 34 on the pasture with the Best Friend grazing mask on in the beginning of June). He lost a lot of weight and keeps losing, slowly but steadily (still fat but getting much better). His crest is soft and flabby. All this thanks you your guidance and the guidance from this group. You and this group have taken us through a major crisis and I cannot overstate how grateful I am, from the bottom of my heart.

I just tested a new batch of hay, from the field that I normally buy from. I also need to test the pasture, been waiting for the warm season grasses to overtake spring grasses, so that's on my short list to do. Once I get the pasture minerals figured out I'll definitely re-balance the minerals. Right now he's on u-balance foundation with added 8g of magnesium oxide and 4 tbsp of salt a day. He has been on jiaogulan for 2 years, but I only started giving it properly (20 minutes before feeding) after he foundered - before I had just mixed it with the feed. I will certainly post his trim pictures for Lavinia to critique - I think I'm on the right path based on how the hoof remodels itself but I will be very grateful for any guidance she can give me!
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Ed P in TX 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Edward%20and%20Atticus
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273196

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