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Re: Teshans notes

kleonaptra@...
 

Oh sorry Drkellon forgot to mention if my theory is incorrect, then can you hazard me a theory? She became a different horse last winter but by the time she was tested in Nov she was her normal self again. She showed no changes to behaviour in the autumn, thats why I was thinking she was affected after the seasonal high instead of during it. Any thoughts appreciated, thanks


Re: Teshans notes

kleonaptra@...
 

Hello all.

 I will continue to update Teshans CH and notes. I appreciate all comments. If Teshan was at risk of something severe as laminitis, I would not hesitate to use the most aggressive treatment. I have not updated the notes to that effect yet.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by referencing the University of Pennsylvania study that found Vitex was not effective but that study is flawed because it did not take into account seasonal rises (that information had not been published yet - although we knew about it here).

I referenced it because it seemed ridiculous based on their results to conclude that vitex had no affect. It seemed clear by the data collected that responses to treatment were completely individual - that horses responded completely differently regardless of the advancement of their problems or agression of the treatment. What I mean is the ability to regain quality of life was completely individual. I agree it was flawed. That was kind of my point.

 Over the seasonal high Teshan will be treated with a combination of both. She is regularly vet checked, wormed and trimmed. 

 I must use Teshan as my guinea pig. I strongly suspect my stallion is IR and he cannot take pergolide. 

 Teshan looks great right now but it is really too early to conclude. After stopping pergolide she went very docile, she is now at a good happy medium - not her wild freak self, but not very quiet either. She looks 10 not 24. I'll start pergolide again next week and continue over autumn. 

Thanks so much for your comments. 

 


Re: PSSM diet recommendations that are contraindicated for IR horses

kleonaptra@...
 

I just want to tag a quick reply to you to remind myself of this post - my mare has cushings but not necessarily IR, but my stallion (Her son) has shown signs of IR already. He's on low sugar and we are very careful about it even without medical diagnoses. I'll do some research


Re: NOW Bridie and Angela and PICTURES

Lorna Cane
 


Angela,thank you!!

They are wonderful,those girls of yours!


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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>I have loaded some pictures of Bridie, Breare, Breazy & Saarah. Hope you enjoy! 



 


Re: NOW Bridie and Angela and PICTURES

brearebreazybridie
 

Hi all
I have loaded some pictures of Bridie, Breare, Breazy & Saarah. Hope you enjoy! Nancy I will send some later to you, and if any of these are suitable by all means use them.

Angela & the girls.


Re: Fat pads under the tail?

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Beverly - Miss Maggie had a very large fat pad under her tail when she was struggling with IR; it lasted even longer than the orbital fat pads and swollen udder.  I remember finding it when I lifted her tail to see if I could find the tail vein and was shocked by this large fatty lump.  I can't remember if there were two; I can only remember seeing one enormous one (but it has been 5 fat-free years, now)

So, it could be the fatty deposits that IR horses get; or it could be something else. Let us know when you get a picture.  :)

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/

 



.....I noticed 2 large lumps under Ginger's tail a few weeks ago when she was lying down a lot. 


Re: TSC Brand flax product

Nancy C
 

Hi...Merle, right?

Dumoro is considerably less expensive.  Not necessarily a bad thing.  I fyou compare the lables, teh second ingredient in the Dumor is Rice Bran. That could significantly change the Omega 3: 6 ratios.  We are looking for that which is closest to grass, IOW, 4:1. 

I would check with Dumor to ask what the Omega 3:6 ratio is for their product.  If you check the Omega Fields web site, you'll see a chart that shows ratio comparisons and other info.

Omega Horseshine - Natural flax supplement for horses to benefit skin, coat and joint health


Don't forget to sign your posts!  Thank you!

 

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT:  The fall seasonal ACTH rise was first documented by an ECIR Group member and her veterinarian after noticing her horse had repeated bouts of fall laminitis. Fall laminitis is now recognized as an early sign of PPID.  See  E. M. Kellon, VMD, The Internet as an Epidemiological Tool, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <mktnr3@...> wrote :

Is the DuMor Ultra Shine (TSC equivalent to Omega Horse Shine) product approved?


Fat pads under the tail?

beverly meyer
 

I noticed 2 large lumps under Ginger's tail a few weeks ago when she was lying down a lot.  They are soft and do not appear to hurt her on pushing them.  They are still there today.

My vet suggested they might be fat pads but did not see them personally.

About the size of really big, soft, golf balls and directly under the tail.

Sorry , no camera but will try to get a friend over...

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thanks,

Beverly 6/14

Beverly Texas

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/ 



Re: Lab results

Nancy C
 

Hi Cynthia

We ask for the links to your CH because we don't remember the exact details of all the members, including whether or not they know for sure if the horse is not IR or not, ie posting lab results and using the IR calculator.

As Chanda has said, they are not guaranteed and not balanced. How that affects your horse, whom you say is not IR but is PPID only, may vary depending on his diagnosis and how much you are using.  If the horse were iron overloaded and that was contributing to uncontrolled IR, for example,  I'd want to know specifics to work toward alleviating that issue.

I think it's better than WellSolve, but that is just my opinion.

Thanks for the link.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT: Standing on cement significantly reduces blood flow to the equine foot.
See R. M. Bowker, VMD, PhD, Nerves, Nerves, Nerves: Why Are They So Important To The Horse?  2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, www.ecirhorse.org
and
See RM Bowker, VMD, PhD, The Vascular Cushion Of The Frog What Does It Do?  2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 





---In EquineCushings@..., <cboriskin@...> wrote :

>>Do you have a CH on your horse?  It helps us to answer your questions better.  If so, could you also add a link to it in your signature<<
 >>This can make it unsafe for IR<<

As stated in my last post, my horse is not IR and therefore, wonder if the Timothy pellets are ok.

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10


 


Dr. Kellon? Vets response (was Help interpreting test results)

Patty Sobel <psobel_gen@...>
 

I asked my vet to start the IV for a month for Libby's Lyme, followed by the 3 months of oral meds.  This is the response I received:


If you would like to treat Libby for Lyme rather than retest in a few weeks, there are some risks with giving daily Oxytetracycline.  We would prefer that a vet administer it if possible.  Any injection given in the carotid instead of the jugular by accident can cause serious complications.  The jugulars are the easiest veins to get to and there is a risk of damage to the veins with anyone administering a daily IV injection.  Oxytet itself can cause reactions in horses too.  Many of the horses on daily Oxytet administration on have either had a reaction or get thrombosis or phlebitis and we have to switch to oral medications.  Minocycline is oral and is better absorbed than Doxycycline so that’s an option.  As far as price, you might want to look into a lay up facility to administer Oxytet with a catheter every day as a cheaper option.  It would be over $100 per day for us to administer the drug and more on the weekends.


So would it be effective to just give the oral meds without the IV?  If so, do we give it for 3 months or 4 months?  I can't afford $100/day, and I don't want to harm Libby because I make a mistake with the IV.  I did email the vet and ask about inserting a catheter.  

Libby's case history:

Thanks!
Patty and Libby
Laurel, MD
May 2008



Side effects of iron overload?

 

I have tried to read the iron overload files, but for some reason I cannot open all of them. I have a friend who is no longer doing the mineral balancing for her cushings horse. It has recently had episodes of colic and other health problems. Can the iron overload(that the horse probably has) cause issues such as this?

Linda in Illinois, Woodrow, and Tru

2002


NOW Bridie and Angela and PICTURES

Nancy C
 

Great suggestion Lorna.

It may be only February, but we are getting ready for teh 2015 NO Laminitis! Conference in TEXAS, November 6-8.  Your hard-working committee would love good pictures of ECIR Group horses to act as ambassadors in flies, posters, banners, web site, facebook and other media.

If you have good quality shots of your horses, please send them to me at threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net.

You can read more about the conference at nolamintis.org.  If you are on Facebook, we'd love your click if you are planning on attending.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NO Laminitis!




---In EquineCushings@..., <windybriars@...> wrote :




Even at this sad time, I wish we could sweet talk Angela into putting up pix of her herd now.
But  also including pix of  Bridie - who always wanted to be front and centre anyway.

Angela?

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup








TSC Brand flax product

M K
 

Is the DuMor Ultra Shine (TSC equivalent to Omega Horse Shine) product approved?


Re: New Case History Form

Nancy C
 

NO kidding!

Thank you LeeAnne!!!!!

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference.

Conference Proceedings & Recordings

 


Re: New Case History Form

Nancy C
 

Scroll down or use the internal link and pretty sure you should find it.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT: With knowledge of the nutrient profile of the forage and the animal's weight and level of work, one can supplement only what is needed to target nutritional needs.  See  Smithey and Gustafson, Nutrition Complexities and Mineral Profiles of Hay 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 


Re: New Case History Form

janieclougher@...
 

I second that, with bells on!

Thanks for all this hard work, LeeAnne - I will be updating to the new CH form asap!

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
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I just want to say a public Thank You to LeeAnne for the hours of thought and effort she has put/continues to put into refining our Case History Forms. She never stops thinking about how to make things easier for our members to help their horses.


You are a treasure,LeeAnne!



Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: Lab results

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Merle,

Rinse/soak/rinse.

Here is a handy file for lots of abbreviations we have tended to resort to over the years:


Third item I think.


  Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


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>What is R/s/r Beet Pulp?   What brand of Beet Pulp is recommended?



 




Re: Lab results

M K
 

What is R/s/r Beet Pulp?   What brand of Beet Pulp is recommended?

Merle,  NE TX, Dec 2014

 




Re: Lab results

M K
 

Yea, I was thinking of using  ODTB cubes as a hay replacer, but will have to go with something else.


Re: WAS: Pergolide NOW Bridie and Angela

Lorna Cane
 




Even at this sad time, I wish we could sweet talk Angela into putting up pix of her herd now.
But  also including pix of  Bridie - who always wanted to be front and centre anyway.

Angela?

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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>Angela - I am late in responding but so very sorry to hear about Bridie.  I know this is very >hard.  You have done so much for your herd and IMO you ARE a shining star who has taught so many.

Thinking of you.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003







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