On Fri, 4/1/16, threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Friday, April 1, 2016, 9:32 AM


 









Hi Briana

Welcome!

First
two things that come to mind would be checking her for
ulcers.  Check the FILES for ulcer treatments and the use
of OTC products on a temporary basis to see if you have
improvement.  If so, I would talk to your vet about
this.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Ulcers/

You could also try the
adaptogens in APF to see if it is the veil. If she does not
them she will not perk up in the eating department.

You can read about adaptogens
in general and APF specifically here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/APF/ 

APF is not inexpensive but works
beautifully if your horse needs it. 

Glad you found
the
welcome files!!!  As you can please fill out a Case
History.  Sometimes the devil is in the details. 
here's teh link to our current "filing
cabinet".

Thanks very much for
your signature!  It helps your volunteers  lot.

Nancy C in NH
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EquineCushings@..., <briana6110@...>
wrote
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Sorry I forgot to
include my name and location.
Briana Schumacher
Twin
Falls, IDJoined 3/31/16
I have read through the welcome files,
lots of great info, thanks!
 









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On Friday, April 1, 2016, 3:16 AM, EquineCushings@... wrote:

Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance Group

9 Messages

Digest #13209

1a

Re: Re-testing and breeding questions by laviniamfiscaletti

2a

Sue & princess. Question on herbs by wolffarm4

2b

Re: Sue & princess. Question on herbs by briarskingstonnet

3a

Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat by briana6110

3b

Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat by briana6110

4a

Re: Fury  - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's by merlin5clougher

5a

My Cotton has passed over by melaniegebers

5b

Re: My Cotton has passed over by gypsylassie

6a

Re: Ford: New X-rays by fmetzger1

Messages

1a

Re: Re-testing and breeding questions

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

laviniamfiscaletti

Hi Stephanie,

IR doesn't cause toes to shoot forward. Generally speaking, this is a trim issue where the toes are being left too long horizontally to begin with. Once they are too long, they seemingly take on a life of their own and act like the engine on a freight train leaving the station. As time progresses, they just pick up speed and drag the rest of the foot along with them. If the toes are getting ahead of the trim cycle then the time between adjustments needs to be shorter and/or more needs to be backed at each trim. The 5-6 week cycle that is so firmly ensconced in everyone' s mind is an arbitrary number having more to do with the length of time a shod horse can go without the shoes actually falling off or wearing down, or the hoof becoming grossly overgrown than with the optimal time needed to maintain a healthy, correct configuration.

When shoes are part of the picture, they tend to be set too far forward as they are being applied based on distorted landmarks. As they prevent any wear on the hoof capsule, they will exacerbate the situation.

IR/PPID can have an impact if they have spawned secondary issues such as laminitis/founder that have additionally weakened the laminar bonds attaching the hoof capsule to the coffin bone. If acting on an already structurally compromised hoof, the damage will be greater and likely more visible. The increased anomaly then focuses attention on the preexisting problem.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

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Sue & princess. Question on herbs

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:

wolffarm4

Hello everyone
Looking for a place to buy princess some herbs. What web sights do you suggest? Would like to buy in bulk. Not pre package stuff.
Thanks sue &princess
Oh6\11

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Re: Sue & princess. Question on herbs

Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briarskingstonnet

Hi Sue,


I guess it depends on which herbs you are looking for.




Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

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>>Looking for a place to buy princess some herbs. What web sights do you suggest? Would like to buy in bulk.

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Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briana6110

Hi All,


I have a 30 year old mare who has been in relatively great health until recently. 1 year and 4 months ago we tested her ACTH and levels were normal. About 4 months ago she was becoming depressed, unexplained laminitis but still had a GREAT appetite. She has zero back teeth so she was soaked alfalfa cubes and ADM Seniorglo horse feed. She looked great but just wasn't feeling great.


We ran her ACTH and it was well over 100, I believe it was 152. All other blood work was normal.


We started her on 1mg/Prascend per day. She immediately perked up within a week, laminitis resolved itself and she was spunky and happy.


However, she no longer wanted to eat ANYTHING other than hay. Which would be fine except she has no teeth. I couldn't even tempt her molasses, applesauce, treats, etc.


We did eventually find a hay extender grain she would eat, then she eventually started eating an alfalfa based ADM feed called PrimeGlo. After about a month on that, she stopped eating anything but hay again.


She's lost some weight. We ran a powerpack through her to insure it was not parasitic as she was tail rubbing a lot. She is still rubbing her tail head, and I am going to treat with Strongid for pinworms. As well as just clean her teats and rectal area.


She is currently getting turned out on grass each day and that seems to help some but she has lost some weight due to not consuming her regular senior feed. She gets some hay down but in all reality cannot get enough down due to her teeth. (or lack of).


I am at a loss as to what to do. My vet does not believe the Prascend could cause this sustained anorexia.

My horse acts hungry, just snubs anything other than hay.


Any suggestions?


Note: The ACTH test was not a dexamethasone suppressed test if I recall correctly.

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Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briana6110

Sorry I forgot to include my name and location.


Briana Schumacher
Twin Falls, ID
Joined 3/31/16


I have read through the welcome files, lots of great info, thanks!

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Re: Fury  - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

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From: "taxwizardsmel@... [EquineCushings]"
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:59 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] My Cotton has passed over

 

I had Cotton transported up to Oregon State University. He was in pretty bad condition  had stopped eating and drinking and was very disoriented and ataxic. Thought it was related to an EPM diagnosis. They did a CT Scan and he had a very large tumor on his pituitary gland that was putting pressure on his brain. His ACTH levels remained  in the normal range. It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. I have so many unanswered questions that are running through my head during my time of grieving.

I am too sad to write anymore now but will post the report from OSU as soon as I get it. Hope  it will provide more knowledge for the group so horse lives can be saved.

Thank you for all of your support. 

Melanie and Cotton, Shawnee and Carrera

Oregon 2013