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Re: My Cotton has passed over

janieclougher@...
 

Melanie, I am so sorry for your loss.I know it will leave a big hole in your heart. 

Thank you for being such a good horse mum, and do look after yourself.

Fly free, sweet Cotton - green fields and blue skies forever.




.... It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. I have so many unanswered questions that are running through my head during my time of grieving.

I am too sad to write anymore now but will post the report from OSU as soon as I get it. Hope  it will provide more knowledge for the group so horse lives can be saved.


Thank you for all of your support. 

Melanie and Cotton, Shawnee and Carrera

Oregon 2013 


Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Mimi Costley
 

This is probably not the right place to ask. I have filled out a case history and can't figure out how to get a folder or put it in the folder.

I have been dealing with chronic ulcers that I really feel are related to the PPID and your mention of APF sounds like just what I have been looking for. I will order it today, but I still need to post Scarlet's case history.

Thanks,
Mimi
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On Fri, 4/1/16, threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Friday, April 1, 2016, 9:32 AM


 









Hi Briana

Welcome!

First
two things that come to mind would be checking her for
ulcers.  Check the FILES for ulcer treatments and the use
of OTC products on a temporary basis to see if you have
improvement.  If so, I would talk to your vet about
this.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Ulcers/

You could also try the
adaptogens in APF to see if it is the veil. If she does not
them she will not perk up in the eating department.

You can read about adaptogens
in general and APF specifically here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/APF/ 

APF is not inexpensive but works
beautifully if your horse needs it. 

Glad you found
the
welcome files!!!  As you can please fill out a Case
History.  Sometimes the devil is in the details. 
here's teh link to our current "filing
cabinet".

Thanks very much for
your signature!  It helps your volunteers  lot.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the
facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the
foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm
of the ECIR Group
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Group Inc.



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The
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Cushing's and Insulin Resistance outreach group.




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EquineCushings@..., <briana6110@...>
wrote
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Sorry I forgot to
include my name and location.
Briana Schumacher
Twin
Falls, IDJoined 3/31/16
I have read through the welcome files,
lots of great info, thanks!
 









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Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Nancy C
 

The veil usually does not last this long. If she is over medicated it can impact with some of the same symptoms. Some folks drop the pergolide down in the spring but I would not do so until you have retested. Please confer with your vet and retest her while she is on the current dose to see where her ACTH is.

Would really love to see her Case History b/c it might be none of the above.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <briana6110@...> wrote :

Thank you so much. I just ordered the APF. I have been debating dropping her down to .5mg/day. Would you advise staying at the 1mg/day dose for now?

I


Re: Fury - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

stephsharpless@bellsouth.net
 

Thank you Cynthia for your kind and thoughtful reply! I already appreciate the support and encouragement from this group.


Re: Digest Number 13209

Jill Schermacher
 

My horse stopped eating on Prascend.  I also tried tempting her with everything.  

On Friday, April 1, 2016, 3:16 AM, EquineCushings@... wrote:

9 Messages

Digest #13209

Messages

1a

Re: Re-testing and breeding questions

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

laviniamfiscaletti

Hi Stephanie,

IR doesn't cause toes to shoot forward. Generally speaking, this is a trim issue where the toes are being left too long horizontally to begin with. Once they are too long, they seemingly take on a life of their own and act like the engine on a freight train leaving the station. As time progresses, they just pick up speed and drag the rest of the foot along with them. If the toes are getting ahead of the trim cycle then the time between adjustments needs to be shorter and/or more needs to be backed at each trim. The 5-6 week cycle that is so firmly ensconced in everyone' s mind is an arbitrary number having more to do with the length of time a shod horse can go without the shoes actually falling off or wearing down, or the hoof becoming grossly overgrown than with the optimal time needed to maintain a healthy, correct configuration.

When shoes are part of the picture, they tend to be set too far forward as they are being applied based on distorted landmarks. As they prevent any wear on the hoof capsule, they will exacerbate the situation.

IR/PPID can have an impact if they have spawned secondary issues such as laminitis/founder that have additionally weakened the laminar bonds attaching the hoof capsule to the coffin bone. If acting on an already structurally compromised hoof, the damage will be greater and likely more visible. The increased anomaly then focuses attention on the preexisting problem.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


2a

Sue & princess. Question on herbs

Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:

wolffarm4

Hello everyone
Looking for a place to buy princess some herbs. What web sights do you suggest? Would like to buy in bulk. Not pre package stuff.
Thanks sue &princess
Oh6\11

2b

Re: Sue & princess. Question on herbs

Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briarskingstonnet



Hi Sue,


I guess it depends on which herbs you are looking for.




Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002

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>>Looking for a place to buy princess some herbs. What web sights do you suggest? Would like to buy in bulk.

3a

Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briana6110


Hi All,


I have a 30 year old mare who has been in relatively great health until recently. 1 year and 4 months ago we tested her ACTH and levels were normal. About 4 months ago she was becoming depressed, unexplained laminitis but still had a GREAT appetite. She has zero back teeth so she was soaked alfalfa cubes and ADM Seniorglo horse feed. She looked great but just wasn't feeling great.


We ran her ACTH and it was well over 100, I believe it was 152. All other blood work was normal.


We started her on 1mg/Prascend per day. She immediately perked up within a week, laminitis resolved itself and she was spunky and happy.


However, she no longer wanted to eat ANYTHING other than hay. Which would be fine except she has no teeth. I couldn't even tempt her molasses, applesauce, treats, etc.


We did eventually find a hay extender grain she would eat, then she eventually started eating an alfalfa based ADM feed called PrimeGlo. After about a month on that, she stopped eating anything but hay again.


She's lost some weight. We ran a powerpack through her to insure it was not parasitic as she was tail rubbing a lot. She is still rubbing her tail head, and I am going to treat with Strongid for pinworms. As well as just clean her teats and rectal area.


She is currently getting turned out on grass each day and that seems to help some but she has lost some weight due to not consuming her regular senior feed. She gets some hay down but in all reality cannot get enough down due to her teeth. (or lack of).


I am at a loss as to what to do. My vet does not believe the Prascend could cause this sustained anorexia.

My horse acts hungry, just snubs anything other than hay.


Any suggestions?


Note: The ACTH test was not a dexamethasone suppressed test if I recall correctly.

3b

Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

briana6110

Sorry I forgot to include my name and location.


Briana Schumacher
Twin Falls, ID
Joined 3/31/16


I have read through the welcome files, lots of great info, thanks!

4a

Re: Fury  - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Bri Schu
 

Thank you so much. I just ordered the APF. I have been debating dropping her down to .5mg/day. Would you advise staying at the 1mg/day dose for now?

I am going to try the APF as soon as it comes as well as treat for ulcers just in case.
She sounds just like the Andalusian in the APF article that went from mopy  and possibly laminitic to spunky in just a few days. Except hers was from starting the pergolide.....unfortunately she quickly lost her appetite.

Is it possible for the veil to last this long?


On Friday, April 1, 2016 7:32 AM, "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
Hi Briana

Welcome!

First two things that come to mind would be checking her for ulcers.  Check the FILES for ulcer treatments and the use of OTC products on a temporary basis to see if you have improvement.  If so, I would talk to your vet about this.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Ulcers/

You could also try the adaptogens in APF to see if it is the veil. If she does not them she will not perk up in the eating department.

You can read about adaptogens in general and APF specifically here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/APF/
 
APF is not inexpensive but works beautifully if your horse needs it. 

Glad you found the welcome files!!!  As you can please fill out a Case History.  Sometimes the devil is in the details.  here's teh link to our current "filing cabinet".

Thanks very much for your signature!  It helps your volunteers  lot.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ECIR Group Inc.
 



---In EquineCushings@..., wrote :

Sorry I forgot to include my name and location.

Briana Schumacher
Twin Falls, ID
Joined 3/31/16

I have read through the welcome files, lots of great info, thanks!
 



Re: Fury - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

 

I just want to tell you how sorry I am that you are going through this, but know that all of us have gone through it and you are not alone. 
I remember the day I was told when my 9 year old horse was found positive for Cushings and how lost and uneducated I was about the disease. I found this group and although it had so much information, I felt even more confused. But, I stuck with it. I asked questions (even when I felt they were stupid) and read things over and over. 
It's been almost 6 years and although I'm still learning, I feel quite comfortable in knowing what my horse needs. After awhile, am sure things will start making sense for you too. 
Horses with Cushings can still live a pretty normal life. The way you feed may be different, but their activity can still continue as is. My horse did drill for 5 years, trail patrol, sorting, horse shows, and more. 
One thing you don't have to worry about is getting the support from this group. You will always find someone who can answer your questions. 
Good luck to you and remember, you are not alone.

Cynthia from CA
Tucker 10/10



Re: Re-testing and breeding questions

stephsharpless@bellsouth.net
 

Hi Lavinia, Thank you for your concise and informative explanation! My horse Fury has never been shod. I do his trims, and I need to review the natural trim. I have gone back to Pete Ramey's book, "Making Natural Hoofcare Work for You" in the last few weeks. I am trying to commit to corrective trims once weekly, or biweekly, so that I can keep the toes pushed back. I will take some photos of Fury's hooves and post them.
Stephanie & Fury, Colorado 2009



Re: My Cotton has passed over

Sherry Morse
 

I'm so sorry to read this but please know that you did the right thing for him, even if it so terribly painful for you.  Lots of cyber hugs and prayers for you.
Thanks,
Sherry and Scarlet

EC Primary Response
PA 2014



From: "taxwizardsmel@... [EquineCushings]"
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:59 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] My Cotton has passed over

 
I had Cotton transported up to Oregon State University. He was in pretty bad condition  had stopped eating and drinking and was very disoriented and ataxic. Thought it was related to an EPM diagnosis. They did a CT Scan and he had a very large tumor on his pituitary gland that was putting pressure on his brain. His ACTH levels remained  in the normal range. It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. I have so many unanswered questions that are running through my head during my time of grieving.
I am too sad to write anymore now but will post the report from OSU as soon as I get it. Hope  it will provide more knowledge for the group so horse lives can be saved.

Thank you for all of your support. 
Melanie and Cotton, Shawnee and Carrera
Oregon 2013 



Re: My Cotton has passed over

Nancy C
 

Oh Melanie.  I am so very sorry to hear about Cotton. Sp hard to lose them.

Please take care of yourself.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003


---In EquineCushings@..., <taxwizardsmel@...> wrote :

I had Cotton transported up to Oregon State University.


Re: Fury - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

stephsharpless@bellsouth.net
 

Hi Jaini,
Thank you so much for the info. and support. I'm waiting for the Pergolide to come in the mail. My vet ordered the powdered apple flavor, so I'll be starting with that. I'll switch over to the capsules on the next round. I have so many questions and mixed emotions about the diagnosis. I am communicating with Dr. Kellon (consult), and I finally had a conversion with my local vet. day before yesterday (her busy season has begun). I am reading the files sheepishly. I guess I should be glad that I know now, so that I can give him what he needs.
Stephanie  & Fury, Colorado (2009)


Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Nancy C
 

Hi Briana

Welcome!

First two things that come to mind would be checking her for ulcers.  Check the FILES for ulcer treatments and the use of OTC products on a temporary basis to see if you have improvement.  If so, I would talk to your vet about this.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Ulcers/

You could also try the adaptogens in APF to see if it is the veil. If she does not them she will not perk up in the eating department.

You can read about adaptogens in general and APF specifically here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/APF/

 

APF is not inexpensive but works beautifully if your horse needs it. 


Glad you found the welcome files!!!  As you can please fill out a Case History.  Sometimes the devil is in the details.  here's teh link to our current "filing cabinet".


Thanks very much for your signature!  It helps your volunteers  lot.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
ECIR Group Inc.

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <briana6110@...> wrote :

Sorry I forgot to include my name and location.


Briana Schumacher
Twin Falls, ID

Joined 3/31/16


I have read through the welcome files, lots of great info, thanks!

 


Re: My Cotton has passed over

Donna Coughlin
 

I am so sad to hear about Cotton. He was so blessed to be in your care, and he will live in your heart forever. 

Donna Coughlin, Duke, Robin and Obi
CT 2009


Re: My Cotton has passed over

tara sullivan
 

Dear Melanie,  So very sorry for the loss of Cotton.  So many of us understand your sadness and the frustration, angst and out of control wave of emotions that can come with it.  Please be kind to yourself.....and have no regrets.  He was lucky to have you and...to the very end...you did right by him.

With deepest Sympathy,
Tara from NY (and Divina....my lost love)
2011


Re: My Cotton has passed over

ppnauds@...
 

Dear Melanie,

 

I'm so sorry for your loss & understand the heartache it brings. You did everything you could possibly do for Cotton & making that final decision is sometimes a hard but necessary to respect quality of life. It doesn't make the loss any easier though, but know that Cotton is now pain free & enjoying lush pastures with many friends. Thank you so much for being kind enough to think about other horses & what we may learn to help them. Hugs to you all

 

 Pauline

Angels Jack, Spur & Harry

Sth West Vic

Australia Aug 07

ECIR Primary Response/Moderator

http://tinyurl.com/7qbdyas


---In EquineCushings@..., <taxwizardsmel@...> wrote :

 

 ....They did a CT Scan and he had a very large tumor on his pituitary gland that was putting pressure on his brain. His ACTH levels remained  in the normal range. It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. 

 


Re: My Cotton has passed over

gypsylassie
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <taxwizardsmel@...> wrote :

 ....They did a CT Scan and he had a very large tumor on his pituitary gland that was putting pressure on his brain. His ACTH levels remained  in the normal range. It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. ....


Melanie, I'm so sorry to hear of Cotton's passing and what you both have been thru.  Such a heartbreaking CT report.  You took very good care of him and made the difficult, but loving decision.  Now he is flying free, with green pastures and blue skies and will live in your heart forever.  I'm writing thru my own tears, as we all know how much we love our sweet, special horses, who touch our hearts so deeply.

Laura K. Chappie & Beau

N.IL. 2011


Re: Ford: New X-rays

 

Thank you so much for your very detailed markups and explanation, Lavinia. The trimmer is coming again tomorrow and I have passed on these suggestions to her. How many of these changes can likely be made in one trim? I realize each horse is different, but I want to help encourage the trimmer in making the most progress each time she trims.

Thank you again for your guidance!

Fran and Ford in Texas
7/2005

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1214900120

 


My Cotton has passed over

taxwizardsmel@...
 

I had Cotton transported up to Oregon State University. He was in pretty bad condition  had stopped eating and drinking and was very disoriented and ataxic. Thought it was related to an EPM diagnosis. They did a CT Scan and he had a very large tumor on his pituitary gland that was putting pressure on his brain. His ACTH levels remained  in the normal range. It was suggested that I allow them to euthanize him to stop his suffering that there was nothing they can do for him. I have so many unanswered questions that are running through my head during my time of grieving.

I am too sad to write anymore now but will post the report from OSU as soon as I get it. Hope  it will provide more knowledge for the group so horse lives can be saved.


Thank you for all of your support. 

Melanie and Cotton, Shawnee and Carrera

Oregon 2013 


Re: Fury - recent labwork, and positive for Cushing's

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Stephanie -  Most definitely Fury should start on pergolide, as your vet and Dr. Kellon have stated.  Since this is your first foray into PPID, here are a few tips:  start out at 0.25 mg daily; increase by 0.25 mg every 4 days until you are at the target dose (which is usually 1 mg to start with).  This helps prevent the "Pergolide Veil", a transient condition of lethargy, reduced appetite and spaciness.  Using APF  from Auburn Labs has also been shown to reduce the incidence of the Pergolide Veil. 


Use either pergolide in capsules, or the brand-name pergolide = Prascend, for best stability and shelf-life.

Check out the file "Pergolide 101" in this folder, down near the bottom:


Hope that helps!




 







---In EquineCushings@..., <stephsharpless@...> wrote :

Hi again, I wanted to add the website for Fury's file to my message above, but I don't know how to edit my message. The only options that I see are reply or delete. Anyway, here is the website of his file:

Stephanie & Fury, Colorado, 2009


Re: Horse on Prascend for 4 months- still won't eat

Bri Schu
 

Sorry I forgot to include my name and location.


Briana Schumacher
Twin Falls, ID

Joined 3/31/16


I have read through the welcome files, lots of great info, thanks!

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