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Nancy C
 

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Re: Message 195783 Hard Swollen Sheath

Lorna Cane
 


Good news,Donna!


>>History is in #8 and I forgot to copy it and don't know how to do it now without loosing this post...sorry. 


I know what you mean about losing everything.When that worries me,I copy/paste to an email note,do what I need to do,then go back and copy/paste on the board here,just in case.


Here you go:

ECHistory8


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
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Re: iron overload

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


-In EquineCushings@..., <lorikeets21@...> wrote :

I know iron overload is a new subject in horses and not well studied, but anecdotally how long has it taken to see a change in the horse after diet changes?

Changes in coat and hoof quality can happen very rapidly.  Improvement in IR parallels drops in ferritin which can take much longer.  A year is actually fairly quick.


I have read recently that weeds are much higher in iron than grass, but this was on a supplement website so I don't know if it can be wholly believed. I have done other research but have only been able to find that dandelions are indeed high in iron.


Go here and enter iron in the chemical box:


High-Low Chemical query

 

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001








Message 195783 Hard Swollen Sheath

Donna Powell
 

Dr. Kellon,


It has been more than 2 weeks since starting Ulysses on .8mg Levamisole a day. Started on Aug. 8th....then time out for Ivermectin worming, took him off Levamisole 3 days before and 3 days after. I do believe there is an improvement, enough that I am putting my other shire, younger by 2 years, on it too.  Ulysses usually has a face of raw hamburger meat at this time of year....not so now.  He had a very slight breaking out on the face, but it was gone before I could get discouraged.  The other shire, who was not on Levamisole, broke out on his face horribly on September 1st, I put him on Levamisole two days ago and he is showing marked improvement. 

Ulysses sheath is still swollen and hard, he had a temp.of 105 on Saturday.  I believe a combination of heat overload, (I was suffering too, it has been humid and so very hot for so very long) not sweating, and the sheath I am convinced is infected....vet coming out the 14th.  I gave him a cold bath, alcohol bath, fans and 10cc of Banamine....I know I should not have done the Banamine as he gets 9g twice a day of J-Herb...but, 105 is scary.  The cold baths and alcohol only took his temp to 104. With the Banamine temp went down and I never had to give another Banamine shot.  I also gave him the EXCEDE antibiotic shot, scary for me, but again, vet too far away and of course it is the holiday, I made do with what I had.  Today, Monday he is back on track and has been since Sunday.

I am happy with the response of the Levamisole for both shires.  Would it be your recommendation to continue and if so for how long?  I am not opposed to continuing for as long as you think I should.

Donna, Beaufort, SC May 2011 NRCPlus and NAT (can't remember if 2013 or 14)

History is in #8 and I forgot to copy it and don't know how to do it now without loosing this post...sorry. Under Donna Beaufort, SC

P.S. Is the response a worming response, as in getting rid of whatever parasite is chewing on his face. Or is the immune system getting better?



Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

Lorna Cane
 

> Yes i'll ask vet what he thinks on this,


Excellent.
Let us know how it goes.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

corrine haffner
 

So go forward with all testing then?? Wont lyme dease drive up insulin? if that's the case insulin will probably be high. Yes i'll ask vet what he thinks on this,my guess is he'll want to test anyway. Makes sense to be able to compare test results when he was sick for both blood draws. 

Might as well pay for one farm call and get it all done, my guess is bill will be close to 800$ tomorrow,good thing i saved training money... 

Will i need to re test after pergolide is upped again? or can it wait till next spring??

Thank you,
Corrine & Jasper
MN 4/2014

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Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

Lorna Cane
 


>Yes vet sees him and has hands on


Good.
That is what is needed.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf





Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Because he was also sick last time blood was drawn, testing this time might be a case of comparing "apples to apples" - i.e., the conditions are the same so any influences on the blood work are similar. Ask the vet his opinion on this.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ECHistory8


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Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

corrine haffner
 

Hi Kerry,Nancy & Lorna

He's become increasingly stiff/lame body sore crabby, he's running a fever 102.5 not super high but its there. Back to feeding cubes he's lost interest in eating hay,but will eat cubes. His salt intake is ok gets 2 tablespoons a day, also licks on block.

Started ODTB cubes this morning so stiffness/lame couldn't possibly be linked to cubes now.He's peeing pooping normal also drinking his 25+ gallons.

Yes vet sees him and has hands on but i wanted to know is ACTH will be effected because he's sick,yes we did testing last time he was sick. 


Thanks,

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

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Re: Iron overload

Gwen Campbell <lorikeets21@...>
 

Thanks Claudia. I was thinking that it would be a long process to  "cleanse" the excess iron. I appreciate you sharing your data. Interesting information. 

I can't help but wondering if the excess iron was possibly the trigger that tipped the scales in my mare. I'll never know, and ultimately it doesn't matter, but it makes me go hmmmm. I'm just glad we caught it early and I found this group to guide me in the necessary horse keeping changes. 

Gwen and Aayla
Ca 2015


Re: Help On Diet Have Questions

Nancy C
 

Does he have a a temperature? Is he eating, pooping and peeing? Double check his salt intake.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003

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---In EquineCushings@..., <Twinoats@...> wrote :

Corinne,

When you say Jasper is "obviously sick", will you describe exactly what you mean, since he's has so many different ongoing afflictions? 
Sent from my iPhone


Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

Lorna Cane
 


>>Tomorrow vet is coming to draw blood for ACTH & Lyme multiplex test. Do i go through with the ACTH testing when jasper is obviously sick?? 


Your vet is the best one to help you make that decision,since he will be seeing/laying hands on Jasper.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

 

Corinne,

When you say Jasper is "obviously sick", will you describe exactly what you mean, since he's has so many different ongoing afflictions?  How would characterize how he's doing these last few days?

Since its difficult to get vet out, you could have him draw blood for various tests and keep on hold while you decide over next day or two what to send out.  Of course, ACTH sample would need its special handling, but since your vet has already sent blood to Cornell for you it sounds like he understands the necessary protocol.

IMO, I would definitely run insulin, glucose and leptin, Lyme Multiplex, and keep the ACTH sample on hold at Cornell. Since its arguably well-established that Jasper's PPID is not well controlled at this point, and you & vet are increasing the pergolide anyway, running an ACTH at this time may be superfluous. If, however, you are interested in the academic side of treatment and want to document Jasper's ACTH numbers on certain doses, for poss future reference etc, then it might be useful to have the result.  I understand not everyone has the luxury of running bloodwork other than we absolutely necessary.

FWIW,

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014



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On Sep 7, 2015, at 10:15 AM, sassafrass45@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

Tomorrow vet is coming to draw blood for ACTH & Lyme multiplex test. Do i go through with the ACTH testing when jasper is obviously sick?? Was sick last Blood draw day had Ehrilichiosis,not sure how much it effected test results?? 

Will have vet come need prescription for upping pergolide and meds for treating lyme dease or ehrilichiosis,or maybe he's sick with both. I'am already treating one of my dogs for lyme dease,3 days into treatment and dog is feeling good again.


Thanks,

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

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Re: NOW:Test Day Questions ( WAS: Help On Diet Have Questions

corrine haffner
 

Tomorrow vet is coming to draw blood for ACTH & Lyme multiplex test. Do i go through with the ACTH testing when jasper is obviously sick?? Was sick last Blood draw day had Ehrilichiosis,not sure how much it effected test results?? 

Will have vet come need prescription for upping pergolide and meds for treating lyme dease or ehrilichiosis,or maybe he's sick with both. I'am already treating one of my dogs for lyme dease,3 days into treatment and dog is feeling good again.


Thanks,

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

ECHistory8


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1622081710


Re: Clinical Signs Tracker/ WAS Pergolide increase!!!!

Lorna Cane
 


>>I would also pay really close attention to clinical signs (I know you do) , before increase and after. Do you use Patti's 'symptoms' chart? (I made up the name.I'm not sure if that's what she called it)



Go here to see Patti's ( long-time member) work on clinical signs:

Clinical Signs - Desert Equine Balance

 

Look around for a while. It's a great site.



Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002



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http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-


Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


 





Re: Pergolide increase!!!!

Lorna Cane
 

Sorry, Sue. I was so busy asking questions, that I forgot to suggest what *I* would do if Busy were here.

I would go ahead and increase the pergolide, based on the increase in his numbers from last September to now. 
I generally bump the doses fairly quickly if the horse has been on pergolide for a while, and especially when the current dose is at least 2mg. 
I've never had veil issues, but maybe Busy needs the extra time between increases. I don't know.

I would also pay really close attention to clinical signs (I know you do) , before increase and after. Do you use Patti's 'symptoms' chart? (I made up the name.I'm not sure if that's what she called it)



Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002



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Re: Pergolide increase!!!!

Lorna Cane
 


 >>We are thinking .5mg for 3 weeks then .5 again to a total of 3mg.  I would appreciate your feedback and advice.


Hi Sue,


I'm feeling a bit thick here,but wanted to at least acknowledge your message.


Is your question about whether to increase pergolide or not? And is it 

about how to increase the dose?


What lab are you using for your results ? I realize it isn't Cornell.

Have you ever checked Leptin?


Sorry.Questions.


>>We didn't decrease his pergolide this spring as his glucose in January 

was 5.2  on a glucometer


I don't understand the connection here - I  told you about my "thickness".


And clinically,how is Busy?


Are you going to increase the pergolide in order to get his numbers closer 

to mid range? That's 5, right?


Wanting to cover the bases.

Having trouble with Yahoo this morning.What's new?

Sorry if this isn't trimmed. I tried. No more time to fight with it.




Lorna in Ontario,Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: iron overload

lars_a_swe
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <claudiagoodman22@...> wrote :

It took approximately a year to get almost "normal" ferritin - a drop of 110 units from her first test. 

- - - - -

Are you sure that the value for ferritin on 4/17/2015 (263 ng/mL) is correct?

What’s interesting is that TSI went up from 51% on 2/23/2014 to 54% on 4/17/2015. Does this mean that the body is releasing too much iron from its stores, or is this a normal variation of TSI depending on time of day, exercise and other similar factors? On 9/12/2014 TIB was 47%.

I’m interested in this because labs in Sweden don’t test for serum ferritin so I was hoping that the TSI value somehow would indicate if there had been an improvement or not.

Lars
Sweden, July 2008



Re: iron overload

Claudia Goodman
 

Gwen, I have a mare that tested high for iron -  I will share the few KSU test results I have so you can see the change she experienced over the 14 month interval. She is now a 24 year old, bay Morgan mare. Showed no red coloring, but has been IR for years. When she tested + for PPID in Jan 2015, we joined this site and started KSU iron panel testing soon after. Here are the results.

2/23/2014

  Serum Iron

231

mcg/dL

75-288

2/23/2014

  TIBC

454

mcg/dL

231-455

2/23/2014

  Ferritin

373

ng/mL

43-261 

9/12/2014

  Serum Iron

213

mcg/dL

75-288

9/12/2014

  TIBC

453

mcg/dL

231-455

9/12/2014

  Ferritin

361

ng/mL

43-261 

4/17/2015

  Serum Iron

244

mcg/dL

75-288

4/17/2015

  TIBC

452

mcg/dL

231-455

4/17/2015

  Ferritin

263 (big drop!)

ng/mL

43-261 


I had increased her Copper and Zinc intake, completely stayed away from alfalfa, and put a water treatment device on my well water (ozonator). It took approximately a year to get almost "normal" ferritin - a drop of 110 units from her first test. 

Claudia & Silhouette 2014 Central Coast of California https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Claudia%20%26%20Silhouette/


Pergolide increase!!!!

Sue
 

  • Hi Dr. Kellon and Moderators,
  • Sorry I am trying this again it became a bit of a topic which is great but no one addressed the questions so I hope it is okay that I try again.   I know it is a holiday weekend but it was getting buried.
  • I just got Busy's blood work numbers back and his vet is going to increase his pergolide.  We are thinking .5mg for 3 weeks then .5 again to a total of 3mg.  I would appreciate your feedback and advice.

    Busy is a TB gelding, 22 years old currently on 2 mg. pergolide per day.

    September 2014
    Insulin 176 pmol/L
    ACTH 3.1 pmol/L
    Glucose 6 on a glucometer, (I think it was 5.7)

    We increased his pergolide from 1 mg to 2 mg.
    We didn't decrease his pergolide this spring as his glucose in January was 5.2  on a glucometer

    September 2015
    Insulin 49.5 uIU/ml
    ACTH  8.9 pmol/L
    Glucose 6.1 on a glucometer day of blood draw (Aug. 13 /2015)

     His history site is EC Case History 3

     



    Thank you for your help.

    Sue and Busy
    Kingston ON
    October 2010


     
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