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Re: supps to balance timothy pellets

Nancy C
 

I would go back to emergency diet until you get new supps in order.

You can review it here

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---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

mtn sunrise says their correct equi  analysis should arrive soon..
Re: Someone to core my hay for testing

Maggie
 

Hi Marjorie,

Have you checked with your local coop and/or extension office?  They often have hay probes that they will lend out.  If you do borrow one, just make sure it's not rusty, as that has the potential to affect your iron level.

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
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supps to balance timothy pellets

lj friedman
 

mtn sunrise says their correct equi  analysis should arrive soon.. ( mistake to wait for them)  So, I am now completely w/o supps. Should I go out and get flax and vit e and sel while I wait for their results, then have the results balanced and  then have the supps prepared ?  or is it fine to go w/o supps for a week or 2?  or anything else I should use for the timothy pellets for the next week or 2? Now,  I only feed rsr bp and salt and mov ease now.   thanks.  lj friedman san diego nov 2014,, ( my balancer is unavail till next week, so I ask this question here)  lj friedman san diego nov 2014. . 
ACTH Results Back

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi All,


I would love your advice please - I just got King's ATCH & Insulin results back from Cornell. He is on 4.5mg Pergolide(1x per day) from Pet Health all spring/summer along with a very strict low S/S diet. His ACTH on his test in December was 30.2 pg/mL(reference range of 9-35) and his newest results from 9/14/15 is 49.2 mg/mL. He foundered in all 4 feet last September/October as I had no idea he was Cushings and IR until he went into kidney failure first, and then really severe laminitis a couple weeks after. He has a 9 degree rotation in both fronts, and a couple degree rotation in both hinds. 


So, what would you recommend? I am thinking that his Pergolide should be raised to prevent any farther rise/laminitis problems? How much would you raise it? 


Thank you so much!

Stephanie & King

Oregon

Oct 2014

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Re: Allergic reaction

Nancy C
 

Glad to hear about the hay. 

This is just my opinion but I would hold on the metformin unless your vet wants to bring it on board and/or Dr Kellon over rides me.

Keep on with the Spirulina - you probably need to increase the amount you are giving based on what I "think" I know about the tabs.  Double check that based on Dr Kellon's comment of needing 20 grams. 

I would also keep the ALCAR and jherb.  Again, subject to Dr Kellon over riding me.

With this SVR hay, you could tighten the calcium:magnesium ratio by getting some magnesium oxide and adding in 5 grams by weight.   Can get it from Uckele or Horsetech  or a local feed mill. Others may have sources to suggest.

Hang in there.

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Re: Allergic reaction

hickoryhl
 

Yes, the SVR, but it's honestly some of the best hay I've seen. Very little weeds if any.

The other 4 horses had had no reaction.

Hoping for an answer about the metformin, alcar and jherb.

Wallene and Travis in NC
September 2012
Re: Allergic reaction

Nancy C
 

Which was the new hay?

Is it the SVR B grade? Supplier had mentioned possible weeds lowering quality?

I know you have had a really hard time finding hay.

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Re: Someone to core my hay for testing

ferne fedeli
 

Yes, EquiAnalytical  is where I got my probe..  They give you a free analysis too, as I remember.  Seems like it isn't a complete one or something.  I know you can ask for the #603, Trainer, and pay the difference...
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010 ​

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 9:53 PM, mwbshirley@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

It sounds like a good plan!! But probably a little far to go.. I've been told that equinanilytical sells them. So I'll check with them I guess! Thank you so very much for the offer though!

Marjorie and Birdie
Modesto, CA
Oct 2014




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4/2010
Defiance Sound Starch Senior

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Has anyone researched the ESC of Defiance Sound Starch Senior by Ranchway Feeds?  NSC is 9.9%. Neither Triple Crown, ODTBCs nor Stabul 1 are available in my area.  Only other choice is Purina WellSolve LS, which I know is on the cusp of not being low enough and has iron added.


I just want to feed a handful per day -- probably only amounts to about 1/8 pound.  


Thanks if anyone has any input.


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Re: Re-Post: White Urine Spots

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Thanks Dr Kellon for the article and advice.  I'll call the vet tomorrow and resume w/minerals.


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---In EquineCushings@..., <drkellon@...> wrote :


Mention it to your vet, maybe arrange to catch a urine sample and bring it in for examination to look for any inflammation.


In any case, it isn't from the copper or zinc.
Re: Need Help With Hoof Abscessing trouble

corrine haffner
 

Hi Nancy

No problem i figured you meant me haven't been on here till now any way.Has bounding pulses in both fronts so guessing abscessing?? He very lame on both feet today. Up to 15 lb of the ODTB cubes doesn't finish any of the meals,here so far today. Leaving a quarter of it, left it out for him but he has not gone back to finish.

  Has hay in net but not really eating much of that either,still full from this morning. Maybe he's having a bit of pergolide veil so appetite is down some?. Went up 1 mg yesterday morning.  Has buckets for water and hasn't had 5 gallons today so that is concerning when he consumes 25 plus. The one bucket is only a 1/4 down from top,other is still full. 


Thanks,

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014


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Re: Allergic reaction

hickoryhl
 

Nancy, I'm feeding the Hicks hay, I'm concerned that the new hay I just got could have been the culprit.

We started feeding it Saturday night, he was fine Sunday morning.  Fed it again Sunday morning and this started later in the day.  Noticed the first welts about 3:30PM.  There was a lot of dust in what we fed because it came off the truck and I'm hoping that's all it was.

We went back to the Hicks hay Monday night and took all of the other away that I could find.  But, I only have enough of this hay for another few days and I'm going to have to start working it back in.

This might sound stupid, but I was doing a bunch of tractor work Sunday morning, moving manure, dragging a new pasture, etc right in front of their paddock.  I had a terrible allergy attach last night as well, but a good shower and antihistamine resolved mine.  Could it have been the dust/manure in the air?

Thoughts?

Wallene & Travis in NC
Sept 2012
Re: Allergic reaction

hickoryhl
 

Sorry, forgot the signature line.

Wallene & Travis in NC
Sept 2012
Re: Allergic reaction

hickoryhl
 

All swelling is now gone.

Thanks for the reply Dr. Kellon.

His sheath is still enormously swollen, the size of a mellon.

He now has bounding pulses in both feet...

He's currently getting Alkar, Jherb and spirulina. 

Would  metformin be appropriate?  If so, for how long?  He's approx 800 lbs.

Should I continue Tri hist?  Is it safe?
Re: Need Help With Hoof Abscessing trouble

Nancy C
 

CORRECTION Corinne, this message is for you.

My apologies. 

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Casey

it's hard to tell with just one photo but it looks like he could use a little weight and more importantly muscle. You won't get the muscle until he can move more.  In the meanwhile I would work toward your 22 pounds of cubes and see how he does on that.

IME Numotizine works very well.  I have used this changing twice a day - am and pm.  Make sure you slather it on, wrap with plastic (I just used kitchen plastic wrap successfully) then vet wrap.  It will cut down on your chores.

Keep on trimming those feet. Take pictures.  Judge your work.  Repeat.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Custom Supplement

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 


Hi Nicole,

You can contact HorseTech or Uckele, provide them with the formula and they will make the supplement to those specs:

http://horsetech.com/

http://equine.uckele.com/

Mention that you are a member of ECIR.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
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Custom Supplement

Nicole Sicely
 

Hi - Is there a place that after you've tested / balanced your hay that will make a customized supplement for you?


Nicole Sicely

Cambridge VT

2003
Re: Severe IR

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Good question, Lj.

He may be one that doesn't tip over the edge as easily, he may be more stoic and/or he was having problems but they weren't being attributed to the correct cause. Probably a combination of these factors.

My Over-the-Bridge QH George was the stoic type - a great survival technique as it keeps you from appearing vulnerable. By the time he showed you there was something wrong, it was already a Red Alert situation. When he foundered, he was only mildly lame in one front foot and no-one could believe that he was severely laminitc, rotating and about to penetrate because "he wasn't lame enough".

Due to differences in genetics and personality, some horses can have awful labs and not present as overtly laminitic but that isn't the only consequence of untreated IR/PPID. There is still damage being done and they are likely having some level of discomfort/pain as well. Tendons/ligaments are being broken down; muscle wasting occurs; PU/PD strains the kidneys; the healing branch of the immune system is suppressed leading to more infections and lowered ability to fight disease; the pro-inflammatory branch becomes hyper-active causing allergic reactions; skin becomes more fragile; wounds take longer to heal.

Ignorance is definitely not bliss for our horses or ourselves.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
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Re: Need Help With Hoof Abscessing trouble

Nancy C
 

Hi Casey

it's hard to tell with just one photo but it looks like he could use a little weight and more importantly muscle. You won't get the muscle until he can move more.  In the meanwhile I would work toward your 22 pounds of cubes and see how he does on that.

IME Numotizine works very well.  I have used this changing twice a day - am and pm.  Make sure you slather it on, wrap with plastic (I just used kitchen plastic wrap successfully) then vet wrap.  It will cut down on your chores.

Keep on trimming those feet. Take pictures.  Judge your work.  Repeat.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT:  The fall seasonal ACTH rise was first documented by an ECIR Group member and her veterinarian after noticing her horse had repeated bouts of fall laminitis. Fall laminitis is now recognized as an early sign of PPID.

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Re: Allergic reaction

Nancy C
 

I'm glad this is working.  I have used Tri Hist successfully.

Which hay are you feeding?  We could maybe tighten the Calcium:Mag ratio.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <wallenereimer@...> wrote :


Travis's sheath is still like a balloon which makes me thing he's having metabolic issues, everything else seems to be coming back down.  No pulses though and not foot sore so far.

The vet thinks I need to continue with the Tri Hist, anyone experienced with it?  

Wallene & Travis in NC
September 2012
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