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Re: Allergic reaction

 

I gave him banamine and 2 spirulina tabs when I saw it.

The vet sent some prednisone (predf 2x) and some tri-hist.

He thinks the Prednisone is needed to get the reaction under control.

Anyone know for sure it it's ok?  Maybe Dr. Kellon?

If I can find some benedryl, how much would I need to give?  Ok to give along with the Spirulina I already gave?

Wallene and Travis in NC
Sept 2012

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Re: Allergic reaction

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Wallene,


I can't offer internal solutions but have recently used Witch Hazel,salve and liquid, on welts on my Canadian,with great success.

A friend of mine was curious about it and applied it to welts on her arm,and had almost immediate relief.We watched the welts going down.

Just a thought.


Lorna in |Ontario

2002

ECIR Moderator




Re: Allergic reaction

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Wallene -
How about Benadryl? You could check with your vet.
Karen
ME/2014

---- "wallenereimer@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Travis has had a bad allergic reaction to something and has huge, hot, welts all over his underside. My vet says he needs a corticosteroid like Dex, or Prednisone. He is aware of his IR and thinks the Prednisone may be a safer option than Dex.

I know he shouldn't get them but I need to know is there an acceptable alternative?

He just got some banamine and I've been hosing his belly which seems to be making him more comfortable, but if it gets worse, I need to know what the options are.



Wallene and Travis in NC
Sept 2012

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Re: Allergic reaction

Nancy C
 

Hi Wallene

I'm so sorry. Do you have or can you get spirulina and chondroitin?
Also wondering if you discussed an antihistamine vs steriods?

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003

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---In EquineCushings@..., <wallenereimer@...> wrote :

Travis has had a bad allergic reaction to something and has huge, hot, welts all over his underside.

He just got some banamine and I've been hosing his belly which seems to be making him more comfortable, but if it gets worse, I need to know what the options are.



Wallene and Travis in NC
Sept 2012

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Need Help With Hoof Abscessing trouble

corrine haffner
 

Hi 


Need advice on hoof abscessing issues,jasper has had issues with abscesses on his RF hoof blew out i'am guessing five had five holes. Have been flushing out hole with diluted betadine and lots of stuff comes out,now today only one hole is currently open.  He was a lot better with lameness now today he's back to being very lame,lameness does appear to be in hind end also.


Is flushing out these holes a good idea?? i'am doing so gently so not blasting it out. Also doing numotizine with diaper then boot over that,at night i soak his foot in epsom salts with very warm water for 20 minutes. Let his hoof dry then re wrap with numotizine diaper and boot. Been working on his trim every 7 days getting toes backed up and heels backed up.


What else can i do to help him out with these abscesses other then what i'v been doing?? Have current test re sults from last testing here's post number 196564. Post on questions about diet and other questions are post number 196569. Don't have current test results in case history yet will get that done tomorrow,along with target dose for pergolide.


Thanks,

Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014


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Allergic reaction

 

Travis has had a bad allergic reaction to something and has huge, hot, welts all over his underside.  My vet says he needs a corticosteroid like Dex, or Prednisone.  He is aware of his IR and thinks the Prednisone may be a safer option than Dex.

I know he shouldn't get them but I need to know is there an acceptable alternative?

He just got some banamine and I've been hosing his belly which seems to be making him more comfortable, but if it gets worse, I need to know what the options are.



Wallene and Travis in NC
Sept 2012

ECHistory6

 




Re: Member Database

ferne fedeli
 

Well, I get my stuff for all my Yahoo Lists on Gmail and look at them almost every day, so was thoroughly confused about some monthly thing...  I guess I always see them, but didn't get the connection!
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010​

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Valeree Smith shumist@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Ferne,

I believe LeeAnne is talking about the repeat messages that go out at the beginning of every month. They originate from her or Nancy. One of them is on Prascend. There's another that starts with 'this is a high volume list...'. They're like reminder messages & they come through just like all other messages.

Hope I didn't further the confusion.

Valeree, GD, Jake, & Annie
ECHK Support
SoCal 09/03

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Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


Re: Member Database

ferne fedeli
 

Good to know about sorting, etc.  Thanks!
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010​

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 8:00 AM, d2allen@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

I'm glad the Member Database was mentioned. I just went to look for people in my area (there aren't any besides me in E. WA State), but I did update my e-mail address. It's easy, just click on the Edit button, make the changes, then click on the Save button. Also, there's a Search Box where you can type in your state. That will sort the list, which is very long and unsorted.


Deidre
PNW, 2002




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Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


Re: ACTH

 

Hi, Tiffany (?)

Im a lic vet tech and familiar w submitting bloodwork to Cornell. Your vet can likely add on an insulin test to the blood sample(s) that are already at Cornell (lab holds on to blood tubes already run for a bit of time).  I checked Cornell's lab portal; an insulin can be run off of the EDTA plasma blood that was used for your mare's ACTH

IMO you should def check your horse's insulin (and glucose & leptin ideally, if possible).  Insulin resistance is an insidious malady with devastating consequences if uncontrolled. My lean, nervous Saddlebred is an atypical body type for IR but nonetheless was diagnosed last fall at age seven. This spring, despite an extremely tight diet, he become mildly laminitic and tested with a very high insulin for no discernible reason other than he had gained abt 50# from working less than usual thru the very cold winter months of '14/15.  I ran every test possible (consulting w Dr Kellon) to determine the cause of his high insulin & subsequent laminitic episode to no obvious conclusion other than my gelding simply cannot metabolically handle excess weight. I have to keep him very lean to keep his insulin low (with all due credit to Lavinia for correcting this gelding's trim since the spring episode). 

My point is to please not take your horse's insulin status lightly:  it has wreaked havoc with both of my IR horses (one PPID, one not). It has caused me many tears and sleepless nights of anguish & worry and no doubt much hoof pain & misery for my two kind horses. 

Insulin is an easy test to run and should not be very expensive for you.  I would highly advise it.

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014

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On Sep 13, 2015, at 12:25 PM, tiffanywoodward79@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

Lavinia,

I have emailed the vet regarding the results, but it's the weekend so I'm not sure that I'll hear back immediately.  They requested a urine specimen because the basic bloodwork that was run at the clinic indicated that she was dehydrated at the time of the blood draw.  They wanted to check PCV & protein.  When I mentioned that I had noticed increased drinking & urination, they said it might be ACTH or it could be an issue with kidneys.  And the likelihood that they would prescribe medication for what they think is a totally normal result is probably low.

Only ACTH was tested.  Insulin/glucose hasn't been checked in awhile.  Diet has not changed at all since February.  I posted the copy of the recent ACTH result.  I do not have the results of what was done in the clinic yet.

The foot pain is really not a recent thing.  This has been ongoing since the beginning.  There have been periods since May when she has been dramatically more comfortable, but nothing that lasted more than 3-4 weeks.  The fact that pain seems to be more isolated in the heel area is relatively new, but was noted as early as June.  I can't really say that the foot pain is correlated to the additional drinking/urination.  I think she has slowly been increasing water intake/urination for awhile, but it became more noticeable starting in late July into August.  She is consuming around 12-16+ gallons per day of water.  Maggie has never been a big drinker, so that is actually an increase for her.  She has no other signs of PPID.  Sheds normally, no fat deposits (never had those to indicate IR either), no loss of topline.  She sweats a lot when the weather is warm but it is not abnormal and she has always been a heavy sweater.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/TiffanyWoodward%20and%20Maggie/

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/540173897

 


Re: ACTH

Tiffany Woodward
 

Lavinia,

I have emailed the vet regarding the results, but it's the weekend so I'm not sure that I'll hear back immediately.  They requested a urine specimen because the basic bloodwork that was run at the clinic indicated that she was dehydrated at the time of the blood draw.  They wanted to check PCV & protein.  When I mentioned that I had noticed increased drinking & urination, they said it might be ACTH or it could be an issue with kidneys.  And the likelihood that they would prescribe medication for what they think is a totally normal result is probably low.

Only ACTH was tested.  Insulin/glucose hasn't been checked in awhile.  Diet has not changed at all since February.  I posted the copy of the recent ACTH result.  I do not have the results of what was done in the clinic yet.

The foot pain is really not a recent thing.  This has been ongoing since the beginning.  There have been periods since May when she has been dramatically more comfortable, but nothing that lasted more than 3-4 weeks.  The fact that pain seems to be more isolated in the heel area is relatively new, but was noted as early as June.  I can't really say that the foot pain is correlated to the additional drinking/urination.  I think she has slowly been increasing water intake/urination for awhile, but it became more noticeable starting in late July into August.  She is consuming around 12-16+ gallons per day of water.  Maggie has never been a big drinker, so that is actually an increase for her.  She has no other signs of PPID.  Sheds normally, no fat deposits (never had those to indicate IR either), no loss of topline.  She sweats a lot when the weather is warm but it is not abnormal and she has always been a heavy sweater.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/TiffanyWoodward%20and%20Maggie/

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/540173897

 


Re: resistance to pergolide?

lj friedman
 

Very well written.. I didnt realize that as the neurons die, you need more pergolide to compensate..  Are there charts, data, that show typical pergolide increases over time?  If neurons are always dying. wouldnt that mean that pergolide increases are always needed over time?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014. 


Re: Member Database

Deidre Allen
 

I'm glad the Member Database was mentioned. I just went to look for people in my area (there aren't any besides me in E. WA State), but I did update my e-mail address. It's easy, just click on the Edit button, make the changes, then click on the Save button. Also, there's a Search Box where you can type in your state. That will sort the list, which is very long and unsorted.

Deidre
PNW, 2002


Re: Cornell labs and timing of being fed

Nancy C
 

Hi lj

You really want to avoid testing right after a break in any overnight or other fast of longer than 4 hours or so. It sounds like you are okay here.

Since the hormones can fluctuate during the day, most of us try to take the blood at the same time each time so you can better compare where the horse is at the same time of day.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

I;ve always had labs done at 11;30 am.. 


Re: resistance to pergolide?

Lorna Cane
 


>Thanks for the quick and very useful answer!!  


Please sign messages,each time you post.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: resistance to pergolide?

Casey James <macivor19@...>
 



Horses don't develop a "resistance" to the drug, it's just that as more neurons die, more pergolide is needed to handle the "increased workload”.


Thanks for the quick and very useful answer!!  




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Re: resistance to pergolide?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Casey,

PPID is a progressive disease which is caused by the death of dopaminergic neurons. Pergolide acts as a replacement for some of the functions of the dead neurons but neither cures nor stops them from dying. It appears that keeping ACTH production as tightly controlled as possible at all times does help to slow the progression of the disease to some extent. There is a lot of info on our website:

http://www.ecirhorse.org/index.php/cushing-s-disease

Horses don't develop a "resistance" to the drug, it's just that as more neurons die, more pergolide is needed to handle the "increased workload".

Here's the link to your case history:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Casey%20and%20Starfire/

That ECHistory8 switch is a Yahoo "expansion" of your link - it still works as a link, just looks strange. When that switch happens, if you click on the tiny "x" in the upper right corner of the large box with the ECHistory8 wording in it, it will switch back to a normal-looking link.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 06, RI
EC Support Team



Re: Member Database

Lorna Cane
 


>> Where are these Monthly Messages?  


Not LeeAnne but thought I could help.

They appear at or around the beginning of every month.
Here are some recent examples:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/196290

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/196291

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/196344


Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

 

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf




Re: Member Database

Valeree Smith
 

Ferne,

I believe LeeAnne is talking about the repeat messages that go out at the beginning of every month. They originate from her or Nancy. One of them is on Prascend. There's another that starts with 'this is a high volume list...'. They're like reminder messages & they come through just like all other messages.

Hope I didn't further the confusion.

Valeree, GD, Jake, & Annie
ECHK Support
SoCal 09/03

Sent from Huawei Mobile


Re: Member Database

ferne fedeli
 

I'm getting further confused.  Where are these Monthly Messages?  Are they in some other area of the main site?  I just looked at it, but couldn't figure out where such a thing would be.  I look at the messages people send every day, but don't remember seeing any special "educational" type of messages, other than your usual "add info to the Pergolide database", etc. etc...
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010​

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 6:19 PM, ThePitchforkPrincess@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ferne,

I'm really glad you brought up that you didn't know about these special sections of the ECIR.  There are so many resources in the ECIR and many are often missed during the learning curve and they aren't mentioned as much as they used to be in the messages.  Part of this is because Neo has left the database section in a huge mess - this is why the Pergolide Dosage Database is in Pdf form now.  However,   I'm sure you are not the only member who hasn't heard of these areas of our group.  

To bring attention to them and to help members keep abreast of changes,  we have monthly messages.  Members should make a point of reading through them at least twice a year(?).  The databases are mentioned in two of the monthly messages: 

 

From CONTRIBUTING YOUR INFORMATION - HELP US TO HELP YOU:

5.  Please check if you can add any information to the various Databases and Polls. Often overlooked, these tools gather the information Dr. Kellon needs to make and update the protocols that the group uses to help PPID and IR horses.   

For Neo Yahoo users, buttons/links to these locations can be found just under the any of the group's cover photos.

​​

For Classic Yahoo users these buttons/links are located in the top left-hand corner of the screen. Or you can click these links:

ECIR Pergolide Dosage ​Database

Other ECIR ​Databases

ECIR Polls


From CASE HISTORIES: WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT

Please leave all of your information posted when the time comes that you or your horse no longer needs the ECIR List's advice.  There is no better way to “give back” to the group for the help you and your horse have received.  Your horse's information will be used in the future to confirm or help form ECIR protocols and following your story will help other members find answers for their horses.  An often overlooked but very important way to thank you the ECIR Group, is to add your information to the databases and polls.  These are vital to gathering important data to help Dr. Kellon form protocols. 

 

It is easy to skip over these messages, but they help members learn more about how the ECIR works so that the ECIR can really make a difference for PPID and IR equines.  All the monthly messages are important and are designed to make things easier for the volunteers and members by making the group more efficient.  

 

Though the messages section sort of feels like a class room with "teachers" showing the way, this is a real GROUP and the members are the back bone, and those that take the time to conscientiously share their information are the calcium that makes that spine strong. None of the group's success and progress in understanding and managing PPID/IR horses could be achieved without members sharing their information.  We, as a group of horse owners, by sharing our information, properly maintaining a case history and all the other ways of adding to the knowledge base, actually have a rare and real chance to make a difference for PPID and IR horses world wide - not just our personal horses.  



 

- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

 

Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database?

View the Database Stats 

ECIR Files 

Table of Contents   

Dawn's 10 Year Case History

Taken For Granite Art - Lightweight Cement Sculpture and




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Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


Re: Member Database

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi Ferne,

I'm really glad you brought up that you didn't know about these special sections of the ECIR.  There are so many resources in the ECIR and many are often missed during the learning curve and they aren't mentioned as much as they used to be in the messages.  Part of this is because Neo has left the database section in a huge mess - this is why the Pergolide Dosage Database is in Pdf form now.  However,   I'm sure you are not the only member who hasn't heard of these areas of our group.  

To bring attention to them and to help members keep abreast of changes,  we have monthly messages.  Members should make a point of reading through them at least twice a year(?).  The databases are mentioned in two of the monthly messages: 

 

From CONTRIBUTING YOUR INFORMATION - HELP US TO HELP YOU:

5.  Please check if you can add any information to the various Databases and Polls. Often overlooked, these tools gather the information Dr. Kellon needs to make and update the protocols that the group uses to help PPID and IR horses.   

For Neo Yahoo users, buttons/links to these locations can be found just under the any of the group's cover photos.

​​

For Classic Yahoo users these buttons/links are located in the top left-hand corner of the screen. Or you can click these links:

ECIR Pergolide Dosage ​Database

Other ECIR ​Databases

ECIR Polls


From CASE HISTORIES: WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT

Please leave all of your information posted when the time comes that you or your horse no longer needs the ECIR List's advice.  There is no better way to “give back” to the group for the help you and your horse have received.  Your horse's information will be used in the future to confirm or help form ECIR protocols and following your story will help other members find answers for their horses.  An often overlooked but very important way to thank you the ECIR Group, is to add your information to the databases and polls.  These are vital to gathering important data to help Dr. Kellon form protocols. 

 

It is easy to skip over these messages, but they help members learn more about how the ECIR works so that the ECIR can really make a difference for PPID and IR equines.  All the monthly messages are important and are designed to make things easier for the volunteers and members by making the group more efficient.  

 

Though the messages section sort of feels like a class room with "teachers" showing the way, this is a real GROUP and the members are the back bone, and those that take the time to conscientiously share their information are the calcium that makes that spine strong. None of the group's success and progress in understanding and managing PPID/IR horses could be achieved without members sharing their information.  We, as a group of horse owners, by sharing our information, properly maintaining a case history and all the other ways of adding to the knowledge base, actually have a rare and real chance to make a difference for PPID and IR horses world wide - not just our personal horses.  



 

- ​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

 

Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database?

View the Database Stats 

ECIR Files 

Table of Contents   

Dawn's 10 Year Case History

Taken For Granite Art - Lightweight Cement Sculpture and

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