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Re: Buttercup help Frosty update

Nancy C
 

Pam -

I am late on this but wanted you to know I am thinking of you and Frosty.  You have done a great job with him.  You are giving him the ultimate last gift of letting him go with out pain or prolonged struggle. It is a hard line to walk to find the right time but you will negotiate that with feeling and intelligence, just as you have in caring for him.

Fly free Frosty.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003



---In EquineCushings@..., <dixie6264@...> wrote :

s much as I knew this day was coming,  you are never prepared for the reality of it.  I really have peace about the decision, because I have seen a decline in his personality, just a sad day.  He's lived a fabulous 32 years.  I have been honored to care for him, and I have been lucky enough to know who his owners where for the majority of his life, which has been a grand one for a grand Appy pony.   All that's left is to go with dignity.




Re: Teeth Floating/Now Sedation Follow Up

Nancy C
 

Hi Sally

I do not know of  any remedy to hasten coming out of sedation.  I've found giving only as much as needed for the individual is my preferred approach.  it may mean asking the vet to start with much less than they originally thought hey would need and adding in additional if needed, then noting the dose for each animal for future reference.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <larks.tabatha@...> wrote :

Hello... in addition, are there any ways to help my IR horse metabolize a sedation when becomes necessary to give one?



Re: Jiaogulan Would it help with stocking up??

corrine haffner
 

He's moving and stocking up only goes down very little, after 12 hours of being outside.


Re: Add'l ingredients in iodized salt

Nancy C
 

The dextrose found in salt is too little to cause a problem with the vast majority of IR horses.

Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance


Dextrose is used to stabilize the iodine.  If you are worried about it, use plain salt and get your iodine form another source.


Morton Salt | Food Salt FAQs

 


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Group Moderator 2003


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---In EquineCushings@..., <suedhall@...> wrote :

Hi Kerry,

I have done the same thing "worry over salt".
 


Re: Does Pituitary Tumor Affect Behavior?

Nancy C
 

Hi Laura

From my experience, behavior/training issues can be brought about by uncontrolled PPID, particularly as July moves into August.  I had several annual issues with Beau during mid summer - including my broken bones - until I had the realization his seasonal rise was contributing. 

You have recently mentioned P as not getting his meds properly.  Correct that.

Your vet's observation that he "looks fine" may not be adequate.  He's an older gelding, with PPID, long time osteo issues who is working very hard. Even a slight change in his muscle tone from a rise in his ACTH could shift things so he is not longer happy about working.

Take him back to a level where he was happy.  Even if that means just trail riding or ground work for a while.
If he is not working moderate to hard based on the NRC standards, take him off the oats on those days.

Here's the NRC workload examples chart.  See page 26.
Nutrient Requirements of Horses: Sixth Revised Edition

 

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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This is a point I want to get an answer to.  His Cornell labs just came back:

ACTH 34.3  (Previously 23 in March, he starts to rise around the 2nd week of July.  Last year my vet said he 
                   looked great plus G/I we low se he didn't change Pergolide dose.  I have this in my file.)
Glucose 97
Insulin 11.99

Should I have him re-tested and  should we stop  with the oats after his workout especially with this behavior issue?


 


Re: Jiaogulan Would it help with stocking up??

Nancy C
 

The jiaogulan helps with circulation but if he is not moving the stocking up will continue, IME.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <sassafrass45@...> wrote :

Hi 


Would starting jasper on jiaogulan help with his stocking up on front legs?? ore.


Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine%20and%20Jasper


Re: Does Pituitary Tumor Affect Behavior?

paulah@...
 


Hi Laura,
One of our knowledgeable moderators will need to provide guidance on the ACTH level.  The G/I indicates that his IR is controlled.
I assume you are feeding oats for energy, is that true?  If he doesn't need it in your new work out schedule, you may want to drop it.  If you need weight gain, there are other options that are lower sugar and may be more appropriate.  Your safety and his health are the top concerns.  Glad you are healing well.
A good fitting saddle is important, glad you addressed that.  Saddle fit changes as the horse's work load, metabolic status, weight, fitness changes.  I have to keep my one IR horse pretty thin, so I need to use a Thinline half pad to protect his back even with a custom saddle.  It takes some experimentation and observation to work things out, so hang in there and good luck!
Best regards,

Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR) in Bucks County, PA, USA

EC 2014     NCRplus2011   


---In EquineCushings@..., <lauramollrich@...> wrote :

  

This is a point I want to get an answer to.  His Cornell labs just came back:

ACTH 34.3  (Previously 23 in March, he starts to rise around the 2nd week of July.  Last year my vet said he 
                   looked great plus G/I we low se he didn't change Pergolide dose.  I have this in my file.)
Glucose 97
Insulin 11.99

Should I have him re-tested and  should we stop  with the oats after his workout especially with this behavior issue?


 


Re: Add'l ingredients in iodized salt

Sue
 

Hi Kerry,

I have done the same thing "worry over salt".  Who would ever imagine that they would add sugar to salt.  I actually found iodized sea salt in a discount grocery store here called "Food Basics".  All it has in it is sea salt and potassium iodide (30 mg per kg) and it is under a dollar a kg.  So when they have it I buy 6 boxes.
Good luck keep reading labels and looking you will find a brand without the extra stuff eventually.  Personally I don't use the name brand salts because they have all of that extra stuff if I am going to give my horse anything with sugar in it it would be few pieces of grass definitely not salt.

Sue and Busy
Kingston ON
October 2010


Double dose of Pyrante Pamoate clarification

Sue
 

Hi Everyone,

I just want to clarify that if I am using Strongid for tapes that I would give Busy a double dose, meaning twice the normal amount that is recommended on the package, right and I do that  again in 2 weeks? I guess if I have to give him two wormers to equal a double dose that I give them together at the same time.  Is there a best time of day to give them to him.  Sorry I don't know why I am having trouble with this one, this isn't the first time I have had to do this I just want to make sure that I am  understanding it correctly.

Thanks for the help.

Sue and Busy
Kingston On
October 2010


Re: Equi-Spot

takarri@...
 

Hi Sara,

 

If you put Equi-Spot in the search box a few posts come up with other peoples experience with it. It seems that some horses may be a bit sensitive to it & others were fine. It sounds like a product that needs to be used with caution or find a safer alternative.

 

Pauline & Spur

Sth West Vic

Australia Aug 07

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---In EquineCushings@..., <saragooch49@...> wrote :


For my  IR PPID mares, my vet recommended Equi-Spot topical, 45% permethrin (per I 10mL 


Re: Equi-Spot

nancy berg <njberg961142002@...>
 

Sara,

My horses broke out in hives using this product. I use fly predators once a month to reduce the amount of flies in my area and regular fly spray every 4-5 days or as needed.

Nancy
Ne Ca.



On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:05 PM, "saragooch49@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:





Wetter weather seems to have fostered more resilient  or different biting flies and stronger hive-like reactions  this year.  For my  IR PPID mares, my vet recommended Equi-Spot topical, 45% permethrin (per I 10mL applicator) applied on topline and midline. Has anyone had  problems using Equi-Spot on IR-PPID horses?  Or on any horses? I know I've heard something negative about the product in the past . . . .
Anyone have experience with it? 

Thanks!

Sara,  NE California, 2011





Equi-Spot

Sara Gooch
 


Wetter weather seems to have fostered more resilient  or different biting flies and stronger hive-like reactions  this year.  For my  IR PPID mares, my vet recommended Equi-Spot topical, 45% permethrin (per I 10mL applicator) applied on topline and midline. Has anyone had  problems using Equi-Spot on IR-PPID horses?  Or on any horses? I know I've heard something negative about the product in the past . . . .

Anyone have experience with it? 


Thanks!


Sara,  NE California, 2011


Re: Teeth Floating

Teri
 

Suzanne and Lavinia,
I had a natural equine dentist float my horses teeth this year because I didn't want to fight with my vet about sedation.  He was a very kind, gentle, patient man and floated all the horses teeth without one drop of sedative.  They all did just fine.  Like you said Lavinia...he said most vets are on a tight schedule and it is quicker and easier for them to use sedation.  He wasn't being critical...just stating the facts.  

Teri (Stormy) and Kelsey
Indy 2012

For most horses, you really don't need to use sedation - it's a habit that many professionals have gotten into. It just may take more time and patience to do it without so many don't want to be bothered.


Re: cosequin asu plus.. ok to give or better products avail

Donna Powell
 

MyBestHorse.com sells it in powder and the web site tells you the dosage.  I mix it with water that makes a gel which is the bio available form and syringe it in. My guy sees the dosing syringe coming and cannot get to me fast enough.  My other horse crowds around and wants some too.  He has to be shooed away.

Donna, Beaufort, SC May 2011


From: "kansteen5545@... [EquineCushings]"
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [EquineCushings] Re: cosequin asu plus.. ok to give or better products avail

Hi Donna -
    What form of the HA do you use - I know it comes in liquid as well as solid form.
Karen
ME/2014
---- "Donna Powell midnightstarulysses@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
> One of the best things I have given my horse is Hyaluronic Acid also known as HA.  You can get it at MyBesthorse.com and the dosage is on her web site.  Many of us use it and get it at MyBestHorse.com.  Donna, Beaufort, SC ECIR May2011



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Add'l ingredients in iodized salt

Kerry Isherwood
 

So my husband was instructed to bring home *lots* of iodized salt, and what I got was *lots* of this:


Iodized Table Salt
  (ingredients listed in order on box)
:

salt,
tricalcium phosphate,
dextrose,
potassium iodide,
sodium bicarbonate, and
yellow prussiate of soda.

It was obtained from Costco and is the brand "Diamond Crystal".


Are all of the above safe to feed 2+ ozs/day per horse? 

Usually I use the ol' "Morton" brand from the local grocery store (ingredients:  salt, calcium silicate, dextrose, potassium iodide).


Husband can't believe Im worrying over *salt*.  But nothing really surprises me anymore...

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014





Re: Teeth Floating/Now Sedation Follow Up

Larks Tabatha
 

Hello... in addition, are there any ways to help my IR horse metabolize a sedation when becomes necessary to give one?

I once heard of a homeopathic remedy that could be used for this purpose, but have forgotten the name.

Thanks very much,
Sally in Arizona
April 2013


Jiaogulan Would it help with stocking up??

corrine haffner
 

Hi 


Would starting jasper on jiaogulan help with his stocking up on front legs?? Been doing DMSO well he's getting really nutty about it being put on now. Also tried Sore no More he's going nutty about that being put on his legs. All he has to do is see either bottle of stuff and he gets all wound up starts snorting and gets wild eyed look. 


DMSO does take swelling down,but he goes totally nuts pawing, striking,biting at legs and if given a chance will run me over. Sore No More produces same results when put on his legs,tried wrapping his legs they don't stay on his rips them off.


Amazing how his soreness/lameness goes away when he gets fired up about DMSO or Sore No More.


Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine%20and%20Jasper


Re: Does Pituitary Tumor Affect Behavior?

Kerry Isherwood
 

Hi Laura,

....."His training has been backed off now.....

.......should we stop with the oats after his workout especially with this behavior issue?".....


you may have inadvertantly answered your own question! ;)))
Just curious, why are you feeding your horse oats after a workout, and what does a typical "workout" entail? (Im unable to open your CH link so sorry if its explained there)

Kerry in NY
Sept 14


Re: Buttercup help Frosty update

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Hi Pam-- I am so sorry to hear about your troubles with Frosty. When I first started on this list, you and your herd were such an inspiration to me. I hope things are not as dire as it seems right now. Perhaps we will get cooler weather soon and Frosty will be able to cope. Sending you hugs and good wishes.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
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Re: Buttercup help Frosty update

Chanda
 

As long as it's all soaked into a mush, I don't think you need to change Butters' diet.  The ODTB cubes are complete feed once you add vit E, salt and flax.  Just feed the amount appropriate to be her total diet, probably 2% of her BW.  Unless she doesn't like the ODTB cubes by themselves and they have to be mixed with something to get her to eat them, they are basically chopped hay with beet pulp compressed into a cube, so could be a complete diet in a bag for her.  [Might simplify your life to just feed just the ODTB cubes soaked to her in the appropriate amount for her.  If you can swing it, likely would need to be broken up into more meals per day.]

Chanda

MT 9/04

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