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Re: EC and vaccinations

Nancy C
 

Thank you so much for those vids, Laura.  A great way to start another morning on the computer! 
Anyone who needs  lift should take a look.

I keep hearing voices in my head that have said "we did not test for PPID because my horse did not have symptoms".  Sometimes the symptoms are as simple as my horse won't get up or come see me when she's called and are chalked up to "old age".

Thanks again for sharing, Laura.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <lauracull@...> wrote :

Hi Nancy, thanks I will check those out. Glad our good news made your day. Here is a link to some videos I took of Hope over the past year. At the time I had no idea I would be chronicling the year of her diagnosis.
Cheers,
Laura & Hope
Oct 2014
Kelowna, BC, Canada


Re: STOP the Nonsense

janieclougher@...
 

Ten thumbs up, LeeAnne!

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/


In addition to Lorna's excellent post:  When members join the groups there are many emails automatically sent.  These emails contain VALUABLE directions designed to save time, frustration and pain for everyone.  You probably are freaking out over your horse’s condition but learning how to use the ECIR resources, posting a properly filled out case history and a complete signature are essential to quickly get the answers needed to help the horses.  Weeks can be wasted with questions going back and forth just so volunteers get the information they need to help. 



Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

palomino.1982@...
 

Lorna replied to your question on Jan 4.
Message #191209

Susan
EC Primary Response
SoCal 2007



Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

lj friedman
 

my ifone 6 is on its way... can u send me a tutorial on how to send these 2 links?   if its too much trouble, I know some younging that can help in a few days.  thank you


Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

Lorna Cane
 

This is how your message should look, to be most helpful to your horse:


Posted pix are right before the trim and right after.   lj friedman san diego nov 2014

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Jesse%20and%20LJ%20Friedman/




Lorna in Ontario,Canada

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Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

lj friedman
 

Posted pix are right before the trim and right after.   lj friedman san diego nov 2014



not sure how to post history from this area..  As well I copied/pasted hoof pix link that you just sent to me..

 




Re: EC and vaccinations

Laura Cull
 

Hi Nancy, thanks I will check those out. Glad our good news made your day. Here is a link to some videos I took of Hope over the past year. At the time I had no idea I would be chronicling the year of her diagnosis.
Cheers,
Laura & Hope
Oct 2014
Kelowna, BC, Canada


Re: peroglide veil

Lorna Cane
 



>You should see veil signs quickly, 

Just to say here that I have started 6 horses on compounded pergolide,and none has experienced the veil.
So as usual some do and some don't.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: EC and vaccinations

Nancy C
 

Hi Laura

That is great news to hear about your mare.  Made my day.

RE: Vax...it really is an individual risk/benefit decision based on location, horse history and issues you may see.  For my area, we see potential for WNV and EEE almost every year and my boys are out 24/7 so I vax for that. I have not given my coming 28 y/o PPID/IR boy rabies for the last two years.

There is some info in the files and archived messages.  This comes up every spring, as you might imagine.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/Vaccinations/

 

This is a good thread

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/topics/127588

 

Some folks use anit-histamines before and after the shot to help minimize any reaction.

Dr Kellon does a great short course (four weeks) on Vax.  She has a two-for-one sale going on now.

Here's to your mare's other issues resolving with pergolide and balanced diet on board.  It happens a lot!

Will need to leave the sourcing of minerals to fellow Canadians. 

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc

---In EquineCushings@..., <lauracull@...> wrote :

Hi,


On another note, Jaini completed a hay analysis and I am working on sourcing the recommended minerals (prefer to buy in Canada if possible). I have a new farrier coming tomorrow to start working on a new trim. My mare has been on pergolide for almost 6 weeks and she is back to her old self with spunk and life in her eyes. We are well on our way to putting the stress of the fall behind us.


Many thanks,


Laura & Hope

Oct 2014

Kelowna, BC, Canada

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Laura%20and%20Hope/


 


Re: peroglide veil

Nancy C
 

You should see veil signs quickly, either when starting or when adjusting. It sounds like so far (day 2 - .05 mg) that you are okay.  You will know you are okay when you get to the proper dose without incident. Diet and adaptogens (APF) play a huge role so you are on the right track.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc
.


---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :I;m on day 2 of .50mg prascend working slowly to 1.0 and everything looks great with apf.. etc.. lj friedman san diego nov 2014. 

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Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 


Hi LJ,

Here is the link to Jesse's photo album:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHoof/photos/albums/1834366375

Helps if you include it in your posts, just like the case history.

Are the photos all post trim or are they a combination of before and afters?

Lots of foot overall, heels high, toes long.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team




STOP the Nonsense

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Okay now that you are reading this, please excuse the shocking and misleading subject line :-O but continue to read this post if you want help for your horse.


In addition to Lorna's excellent post:  When members join the groups there are many emails automatically sent.  These emails contain VALUABLE directions designed to save time, frustration and pain for everyone.  You probably are freaking out over your horse’s condition but learning how to use the ECIR resources, posting a properly filled out case history and a complete signature are essential to quickly get the answers needed to help the horses.  Weeks can be wasted with questions going back and forth just so volunteers get the information they need to help. 

 

There are tons of concise "How to" documents in the files.  

There are documents explaining:

How to make a signature (including how to link to your case history)

How to fill out your case history and use your case history folder

How to search the files – search to find instant information or instructions

 

By reading and following the directions in these documents so much time and equine discomfort can be saved.  Not providing a case history link is like phoning the garage to make an appointment and then not showing up.  Taking the car to the garage but not providing the keys is similar to no or a poorly filled out case history.  PLEASE help us to help your horse!  We need signatures and links and well filled out case histories.  

 

For members using “new” devices (not computers) to access the group:

In this day and age, with so many different devices out there, it is hard for websites to keep up.  Yahoo is no exception and is not new-device-friendly.  LOL, neither are many of us in the group, however, one way to get answers on how to work a specific device (iPhone 4, iPad, Mac, or whatever)  is to ask a search engine "How to (upload a document to Yahoo Group or Post a message to a Yahoo Group, or whatever) with a (name of device).    Unless you are using the very latest technology, if you need to know how to do something, chances someone else has already had the same problem and posted about it.  The directions are likely online somewhere. 

 

LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

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Re: cant attach anything to an email when using NEW TOPIC icon

Nancy C
 

Hi lj

The group does not allow attachments and would like to keep your records accessible in ECH8.  Please upload to your Case history folder.

Thanks!

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference.

http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/conference-proceedings-recordings



---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

. why?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

Lorna Cane
 


> ( am I supposed to include the hoof link here, like case history?  


Look at it this way -

Your volunteers want to help you help your horse.
It is all about the horse.

Most  volunteers, if not all, have their own horses to care for,many of whom are PPID/IR.

Many of us, aside from just caring for our special needs horses, are also dealing with crises, which pop up for one horse or another. Ask me how I know.

We are all committed to helping members here help their horses.

So the easier it is for us to find a case history - that'd be a link - or find hoof pictures - that'd be a link - or find a product being asked about - that'd be a link - and so on, the faster we are  able to get appropriate feedback posted.

It takes extra time to search through the years of case histories to find the one being asked about. Unnecessary , sometimes unavailable extra time.
A link could make the difference between a timely answer being provided to questions, and not. 
Simply because of time constraints, not because of lack of will to help.

Think about how easy it is to find something being discussed when someone else provides a link for us here.

The more we know,the better we can help the horses.
But do remember that we are over 12,000 members here. Keeping posters' details straight , in one place, is absolutely necessary. Links to details allow us to do this.


BUT, don't ever hesitate to post just because you don't have a link to something.

Provide whatever information available,and we'll help work through it,and maybe 

even find a link for the next time it's needed.

If you don't know how to post a link,we'll walk you through that,too. No problem. 

We've all been there.


We are warriors. We can do this.

For the horse.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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EC and vaccinations

Laura Cull
 

Hi,


Since one of the symptoms of PPID is a weakened immune system, do you suggest to keep up with annual vaccinations? 


My TB mare will be approx 23 yrs old this year (although she has a lot of grey in her face so she could easily be older). On the advise of my vet I haven't vaccinated her for a few years. She lives on a small acreage with two other older horses who only leave the property to trail ride. The property is surrounded on one side by a forest, another an apple orchard and another a farm with a few cows and two older horses who never leave the property. My mare and I trail ride every week or so in the spring to fall months and otherwise she is always at home.


What do you advise? She has never had an adverse reaction but it has been a few years since her last vaccination. She struggles every summer with scratches and the last two summers with eye infections and a runny nose.


On another note, Jaini completed a hay analysis and I am working on sourcing the recommended minerals (prefer to buy in Canada if possible). I have a new farrier coming tomorrow to start working on a new trim. My mare has been on pergolide for almost 6 weeks and she is back to her old self with spunk and life in her eyes. We are well on our way to putting the stress of the fall behind us.


Many thanks,


Laura & Hope

Oct 2014

Kelowna, BC, Canada

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Laura%20and%20Hope/



Re: peroglide veil

lj friedman
 

I'm curious if there is data as to if a horse gets the veil. when might it start and when might we know it wont be a problem?  I;m on day 2 of .50mg prascend working slowly to 1.0 and everything looks great with apf.. etc.. lj friedman san diego nov 2014. 

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cant attach anything to an email when using NEW TOPIC icon

lj friedman
 

New topic allows me to create this email but has no way to include my case history via an attachment.  I can include an attachement if I  open the mail icon( blue envelope) and work from there  . why?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Jesse trim jan 6 2015

lj friedman
 

Jesse had a trim today. I posted on ECHoof for comments/mark-ups. ( am I supposed to include the hoof link here, like case history?   lj friedman san diego nov 2014


THE PERGOLIDE DOSAGE DATABASE

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

  


http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4


Thanks to the 2013 Neo Yahoo changes , the Database sections of the Yahoo groups no longer function properly.   To keep the database going it has been temporarily saved in PDF format and posted in a drop box location.  Due to this format change members  now must send emails to edit or add information.  If you need to edit your information or want to add a new horse to the database, just  fill out the short form from our files section and email it 

​​

LeeAnne at ECIR.Archives <at> gmail <dot> com.  If you are having file access issues just send LeeAnne an email to get an email copy of the form. 

 

Please update or add your equine to the database!  It won’t take long, and especially with the new columns, there will be big benefits to all horses with PPID and their owners down the road.   Already we have stats showing dosages on 250+ horses, information on occurrences of laminitis, life expectancy and more. With new horses and more updated data, the stats will be better than ever, answering some of the big questions regarding the use of pergolide.

 

"The only "correct" dose of pergolide is the one that controls his ACTH."
- Dr. Kellon, ECIR Message #132610, Sep 2, 2009.

 

Thank you for your cooperation and taking the time to “give back”.


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Re: new batch ODTB cubes won't soften

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 




1). Texas is often in the 60's or even 70's in winter. Is that ok for 20 hour soak? At what temp do you think about adding ice?

Yes long soaks in just about any temperature can be done but you may need to tweak how it gets done.    
One thing to consider is the temperature of your ground water.  I *think* ground water stays the same year round but is generally the mean surface temperature of any given location.  According to this map, the temperature near Newmarket Ontario is 42 to 47 F.  Texas (what a BIG state!) ranges from 57 to 72F.  However, I only use ice if I need to soak longer than 24 hours.  

Also sometimes I stack hay around the coolers to increase the insulation - got that idea from a show on how Britain during WW2 to conserve fuel, would use a hay box to cook stew by bringing a pot to a boil, put a lid on it and place the whole thing in a wooden box surrounded with hay.  Like a cooler, this works both ways keeping hot or cold. 

Another thing in extremes of temperature you want to get the right sized cooler. The least amount of air will help.   I use the Coleman Party Stackers (case of 24 beer size)  for the 6 pounds  of ODTB cubes and a larger "chest" size cooler for the 10 pounds plus 35 oz - dry weight, r/s/r bp.  In these there is still room to add 15 oz of r/s/r beet pulp for Dawn's lunch - her breakfast is just 6 pounds of cubes without bp. 


2). In the 90's (or worse) in summer. How much ice?? And still soak 20 hours? And keep it in the cooler for sure.
Not too much ice - maybe around 1/8 of the litre/per cube.  Ice probably won't hurt your horse but a chunk in an old toothless horse might be painful?   I found that loose cubes stayed frozen for 24 hours - the cubes themselves provide a fair amount of insulation.  Might be best to melt the ice in the water in summer.  Since my water is colder I have given up on the ice.  If you are fortunate enough to be feeding the meals or have a good barn owner/staff check and adjust accordingly.    

3). My summer ODTB smells differently after only 3 hours and I discard it. Any ideas?
Coolers and colder water?  Smelling and being "off" can be two different things perhaps?  All I know for sure is that sometimes Dawn's food smells funky.  Thorough cleaning of the coolers helps!  Also I usually make a change with using hay to insulate or cooler water and that takes care of stinky food.  Having no choice due to timing and needing to feed only soaked cubes, Dawn has been given the food.  She eats it and has not had any colic or other problems noticed.  Obviously feeding only the nice smelling mush would be the ideal but sometimes we just don't have that option and since Dawn has survived it, that is what gets done. :-/

​- LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

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