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Re: Beet pulp pellets vs shreds

Lorna Cane
 

Lj, we need to keep this on line,in order to help others who may have the same questions you do.

Compare beet pulp and soy hull pellets profiles at equi-analytical.com.


On this page click on Grain.
Then click on the down arrow in the Kind box to select.
That takes you to a list of products.
Find beet pulp ,dry.
You can print off the profile if you like.
Then scroll down to Soybean Hulls.You can print it off,too.
Then you can compare the two items.
Their profiles are virtually the same.
In other words ,you can use SHP instead of Beet Pulp,and avoid the s/r/s chore.All you do is add water,and the SHP fluff right up - into a mash.
My horses love them.



Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: Beet pulp pellets vs shreds

lj friedman
 

Someone mentioned soybean hulls as an alternative to beat pulp shreds. Has anyone used them and are they tasty for the horse? I know my horse loves beet pulp I just don't know that so soy bean hulls are us tasty? As well if anyone's using the soybean hulls how long must they soak? And no rinsing needed?












? LJ Friedman San Diego November 2014.no case history because no iPhone six

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Re: laminitis one year exactly apart

Nancy C
 

How old is she Brittany?  Did I miss the Case History link?

Agree that annual events happen for a reason.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <ignatowski90@...> wrote :

 I have mentioned to her in the past about cushing's and she says she is too young and doesn't show the symptoms.

Re: I Need help

Nancy C
 

Hi Lynn

Since you are a graduate of NRCPlus you can get guidance for your balancing on the NRPlusgrads Yahoo group.  You need to join just as you did here.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NRCPlusgrads/info

 



You are right though you need to up the copper and  the zinc, not only to get o 150% of NRC, but also to get into the correct rations.  Could use more of the major minerals too as you noted.

Hang in there!

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <rosalynnmyers@...> wrote :

I reach this point in my hay balancing every year and usually can't get the minerals right.


Re: laminitis one year exactly apart

ignatowski90@...
 

Thank I live in fear everyday she is going to have another episode. I will mention this all to the vet when she comes out next month. The last time I spoke to her she got snippy with me because I mentioned my new farrier thought she maybe could be navicular. She had this attitude like don't question me. I have mentioned to her in the past about cushing's and she says she is too young and doesn't show the symptoms. So I will see what she says about the fact that it happened exactly one year apart.


Brittany, Dream, and Mikey    

WI 2012
Re: new batch ODTB cubes won't soften

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi All,
Finally the photos of the consistency of the ODTB cubes have been posted:

Details on soaking and using a cooler can be found in the Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes folder in the files:

Also, for those interested, in that same folder is a document called Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes.  In it Aurelio gives the reason why the texture of cubes varies from flakes to those ultra hard type.  


-​LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

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New file uploaded to EquineCushings

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You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: Dull Coat

Lauren N
 

Hi! Sorry it has taken me so long to get back...
I have stopped feeding Wy the red cell... thank you all for that information, I appreciate it.

I am going to start him on Omega Horseshine which has all types of good supplements and vitamins in them for his coat, hooves, etc.

As of now he is getting about 3.5 mg/ml a day of pergalide. I am slowly upping this to get his levels down. Wy is doing pretty well considering. He usually has a lot of energy and is a great eater. He does have a problem with ulcers so we are also working on getting that under control... (does pergalide cause ulcers by any chance?).

Thank you!

Lauren
Sept 2014
Arizona
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Re: Bark eating horse

Anne Louise
 

Mine go crazy for bark and branches when they are teething. Just a thought - don't know the ages of your horses.  many tree barks can be a good food source. Oak is somewhat toxic and luckily must taste bad

Anne Louise
Nova Scotia
Feb 2011
Re: Beet pulp pellets vs shreds

Nancy C
 

Told you in a private message?  Glad you brought the question here.  You need to r/s/r pellets to minimize iron, to  hydrate and to get rid of extra sugar.

Unless you are talking about speedi beet, which is very high in iron, shreds take much less time to hydrate than pellets.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

Someone told me they switched to pellets and dont miss the r/s/r. 
ECIR FILES - SEARCH-AND-CLICK TABLE OF CONTENTS

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

To quickly find information in the files use the ECIR Files Table of Content

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Re: Beet pulp pellets vs shreds

Lorna Cane
 




>2 buckets of rs/r and it can be a hassle to rinse..

You can feed soy hull pellets.Just add water.
Compare beet pulp and soy hull pellets profiles at equi-analytical.com.



Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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Re: Beet pulp pellets vs shreds

lj friedman
 

Someone told me they switched to pellets and dont miss the r/s/r.  I feed beet pulp to 2 horses.. 2 buckets of rs/r and it can be a hassle to rinse.. I like to maximize my time and effort even if the cost is a bit more. With that being said. the shreds seem fibrous.. I feed beet pulp to mix supplements and bec it has shown to have some colic- preventing properties.. My new barn has hot water.  Do pellets look like mash when soaked? where is their fibrous properties?  pellets always  means no r/s/r?  lj friedman san diego nov 2014

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Re: Creative Foot Warmers

Rita Creitz
 

Hi Lavinia,

Love your ideas, too!  I have a pair of second-hand SRs that are a little big and would give him room for his hoof to be wrapped in a sock or the 'space wrap'.  His current ones wouldn't allow it, don't think.

But now I'm worried that I don't have this figured out at all.  He seems worse today than when I saw him on Fri.  He was in yesterday....nasty, cold (~40F), rainy....and was in today as well, although the temperature went up so 60F!  The horses were kept in because of predicted showers and thunderstorms....which didn't happen.  Anyway, his pulses seemed more elevated and he was....besides being stiff when I brought him out of his stall....really foot sore, standing in 'that' stance. 

Can a rapid rise in temp affect the blood flow to cause pain the way a rapid drop in temp?

He's due for a retest of his ACTH/insulin, so maybe it's not in the normal range now, although his perg was increased from 7mg to 9mg (need to update his history) in late Nov when it was elevated on his last test.  Just when I think the DDT is working, a setback!  He IS eating and drinking, so that's good.  

Thanks for the link.  I had read a couple of those articles previously, but a re-read is good....and I recalled the protocol for giving the j-herb. Feeding it twice a day before feeding is really a tough one for me in a boarding situation.  So, I've been putting it in his bag of supplements that the guys give him with his evening feed or I mix it in with his OTBC.  He gets about 1 rounded tsp. He gets ALCAR, but not AAKG.  I can order that, but the protocol for that is the same as the j-herb. 

Is j-herb and AAKG ineffective if not given twice/day and on an empty stomach?  

Thanks, Lavinia.  I'm worried (but what's new?)  ;-)

Rita and Houdon
Gaithersburg MD 2013 
iPhone Case History Links - Nancy's Recent Message

Lorna Cane
 

---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

PLEASE NOTE: This is very OT for the main list so any follow up conversation needs to go to ECHorsekeeping.

This is a good set of vids on how to use your iPhone.  This particular one is how to cut copy and paste so you can save your signature and link to case history in notes and then copy to an email to ECIR.  You need OS 3 which comes loaded on iPhone6.

How to Cut, Copy & Paste on Your iPhone

 

You can do similar with an android.

Android 101: Using copy & paste

  


Thanks to all  in advance for taking the time to master this new skill.  And thanks, LJ for making me go look this up.

With 12,000 members all in various places on their journey, it really helps us help you to be able to review where you have been and where you are now.

Merry Christmas!

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference. 

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Re: laminitis one year exactly apart

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Hi Brittany-- I am so glad to hear that Dream is better. I know you have had a tough time.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Deb%20Funderburk%20in%20NC/
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Re: laminitis one year exactly apart

Kathleen Gustafson
 

Lavina hit the nail on the head. Also, if you're going to test her, be sure NOT to test using the dexamethazone suppression test. ACTH only.

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Missouri - Dec 2005
Re: WAS: Monty's lab results, NOW Re-testing ACTH

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

 I just re-tested Monty's ACTH on Dec 11,  five weeks after upping his Prascend dose to 2 mg/day.  Result for ACTH is now 35, down from 461 in late August.   He's down to his target weight, eating his low s/s hay with minerals balanced to hay.  He's moving w/no apparent pain, but we still have a way to go on growing out hoof. Hope to post pics next trim for progress assessment.

Now what? When would be a good time to re-test all?

Also, at some point I'd like to experiment with compounded pergolide as I understand from reading posts it can save me some money.  

Thanks,


 
I Need help

rosalynnmyers@...
 

I reach this point in my hay balancing every year and usually can't get the minerals right. My link to my files is in EC History 3 files under Lynn Myers 10/20/10. I can always email a copy of my hay analysis. My gelding is 15 years old, 17 hands and weighs1142 lbs ( 519 kg ). I have been working with figures for maintenance to moderate with about 22.8 lbs of hay and have these figures under as fed on the hay analysis.

Calcium 39 gr which I thing is low  ( 150 %= 58.5 gr)
Phos, 15 gr  ( 150 % =22.5 gr )
Mag  15 gr  ( 150% =22..5 gr )
Pot  171 gr  ( 150% = 262.5 gr )
Sodium  3.9 gr
iron  830 mg
copper  50 mg ( 150% = 75 gr )
zinc  160 mg  ( 150% =240 gr )
manganese 280 mg ( 150% = 420 gr )
molybdenum 280 mg

Than I did the 150% of NRC recommendation as recommended by Dr. Kellon ( in parenthesis )

The things I think ( ? ) I see is that copper should be higher.  So I don't know how to figure the ratio for copper, zinc ,and manganese.

My brain is pretty scrambled right now so I will really appreciate some help.

Thanks,
Lynn & Harley
10/10
Re: started prascend yesterday

lj friedman
 

Jesse IS eating very well,and is getting 4 ML of APF. Today is day three of .25 mg And when I soak the sweet pellets to put his prascend in. Im using such a small amount. I'm talking about a 1/4 cup at most. Tomorrow I will try soaking some of the Timothy hay pellets and see if he takes that as readily. Lj Friedman. San Diego. November 2014. Still cannot send cases history from the iPhone.

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