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Re: Nervous that Poppy is at the edge of an Emergency: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Susanna,
Thanks for putting up the narrative for Poppy. Here is the link to your case history, helps enormously if you include it with your posts: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Poppy%20Seed%20and%20Susanna/ Not Dr. Kellon but that was a good, slow taper off the Thyro-L. It looks like there was no thyroid testing done and that the thyro-L was prescribed to treat Poppy for being overweight and insulin resistant. Her insulin makes her very IR - not a surprise as she is a mini. The ACTH is within normal limits and as she is only 8yo PPID (Cushings) is not a likely problem. That is was done fasting means it is likely even higher. It appears that no glucose was tested - is that correct? Re-running the blood work with her having access to hay until testing time would be perfect. She can have her evening feed, just don't give her the morning feed if the vet is due within the following 4 hours. Insulin, glucose and Leptin to test for IR, ACTH if you want to get a new baseline when she isn't having stress from fasting and from sore feet. If she was mine, I wouldn't worry about the ACTH at this time but would plan to test in Sept, just in case, for the seasonal rise period. Vaccinations are supposed to only be given to healthy animals (right on the manufacturers instructions with every vaccine) so her condition right now says to put the vaccinations off. You mention she was treated for Lyme before you got her and that a Lyme MultiPlex was done after ou got her. Do you have the results from the Lyme MultiPlex available? If not, could you get a hard copy of that test result? It is also possible she is having some issues related to being a mare and the re-start of her cycling. Have a read on our website of the free pdf from the 2013 No Laminitis Conference, Dr. Kellon's presentation on mares with diet-resistant IR: http://www.ecirhorse.org/index.php/conference-proceedings-recordings/2013-proceedings-recordings-table-of-contents The track system is a great way to encourage movement. Getting her diet tested and balanced will go a long way toward getting her healthy and happy. Bonus is, it will work for your entire crew. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team |
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Re: princess & sue new photos of her trim today. need feed back please
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Sue,
Took a look at the latest pictures. The regular foot (LF I believe) looks to be as low as it can be in the heel as it was just about perfect in the xray. The toe could come back a bit more. You're eye is good, that medial heel (inside one) is a tiny bit higher and the rest of that wall may be touch longer. The club foot (RF) can have the toe backed even more and bevel it slightly under the toe. You might be able to lower the heels just a tad bit more but they are close. That is doesn't smell as bad is a good thing. All that rotten wedge area does show up in the xray from Feb so the more air it gets and the more of it that is removed, the better. Good job. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team |
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Re: Was Trim Review and Shedding Question, Now:Trim Review
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Suzanne,
If the trim has changed then yes, the older photos won't necessarily help much except to document changes over time. Some horses do have twisted legs and the best thing you can do is make sure to trim the feet to match the legs, never mind whether that makes them "face forward" perfectly or not. The other thing to consider is whether any odd angulations you see in the legs may be due to pain, injuries or muscle tightness higher in the body. That can cause compensatory changes over time that come to look like conformational issues when in reality they're not. Working with a really knowledgeable body worker can take answer that question. Have a safe trip home. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team |
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Re: Diagnosing PPID
Barbara Vincent
Maggie,
Thanks for all the info. Will get the leptin test done. I have stopped the free choice hay, just didn't record properly on the CH form. Tried to redo this. I did ask the vet about upping the pergolide dose when the 2nd ACTH came back higher than the first after over a month of 1/2 mg. She didn't want to, because of adverse effects (depression, loss of appetite) and recommended trying the Chaste Tree Berry powder; however, I wasn't able to get that in to her without massive amounts of applesauce, which seemed counterproductive. I don't have a long standing relationship with this vet, and I may need a vet with more special expertise in metabolic issues, if anyone can recommend one; I am not far from New Bolton Center. Perhaps I should just go ahead and raise the dose in 25 mg increments. I was having trouble getting her to eat beet pulp with smushed alfalfa cubes, but with the addition of 1 tsp salt and ground flaxseed she is back in the clean plate club. How much ground flax would you give a 300 lb mini? We do use small mesh hay nets, but both she and her larger friend are pretty adept at biting large mouthfuls out of it. I'm hoping she can get away with a bit of grazing (with muzzle) and the odd piece of carrot or apple, greatly reduced from former times. Within a week of having hay soaked she was scampering around the paddock, and pulling on her lead when ponying, so her feet seem to feel good at the moment. Not sure what I'll do when the spring grass come in tho. I'm thinking the Safergrass website might make a little grazing safe but haven't studied it yet. Barbara Malvern, PA March 2015 ECHistory8https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Barbara%20and%20Lily/
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Re: Nervous that Poppy is at the edge of an Emergency: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna
Susanna Armbruster
Dear Dr. Kellon -- Poppy is now 8 -- I adopted her in late 2012. Her lab results: sampled 5/23/14; received 5/28; finalized 5/29 ACTH: 31.3 Insulin: 50.47 This is her Thyro-L history: May 23, 2014: first prescribed by
vet; started at 3 scoops per day October 19: my decision to go to 2
scoops per day November 23: my decision to wean off over 3 months; went
to 1 3/4 scoops per day December 13: went to 1.5 scoops per
day January 2, 2015: went to 1 scoop per
day February 1: went to .5 March 1--15: .25 Ended on March 15 I've also attached a file in case history with the "narrative" form of her history. A million thanks.... Susanna Red Hook, NY March 2015 |
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Re: Nervous that Poppy is at the edge of an Emergency: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna
Please post her age and the lab results here to start (also fill in the history form). How long did you take to taper her off the thyroid? Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Nervous that Poppy is at the edge of an Emergency: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna
Hi Susanna, >I also haven't found the request to join ECHistory8 (I did find it a couple of days ago but our server was soooo slow and I couldn't finish the request). I have just sent you an Invite to ECH8. Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: Nervous that Poppy is at the edge of an Emergency: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna
Susanna Armbruster
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I have a feeling Poppy is right on the edge of becoming an emergency and I'm needing some help! I haven't completed the case histories form yet however, before I found the form in the files folder, I had written out her history as completely as possible and have her blood results from last year's testing as well as the vet's notes from last year's visits. I also haven't found the request to join ECHistory8 (I did find it a couple of days ago but our server was soooo slow and I couldn't finish the request). I'm wondering if it's possible to join the group so I can have someone look at the notes I've written. I'm anxious to complete the case history form but I'm afraid it won't be done before I need to have my strong-willed vet out--I've found I need to have all my information in front of me before talking with her. She paints very graphic and scary images of what could go wrong if I don't ACT NOW WITHOUT QUESTIONING!!!! A little more on why I think this could blow up soon: last May 2014, Poppy was put on Thyro-L despite a blood test that I now know I should have questioned . . . I weaned her off Thyro-L on this past March 15 and she has been going downhill despite my increasing Quiessence, putting her on Spirulina and Vit. E. She's been getting Horseshine for two years now. With the weather cooperating somewhat, I began exercising her daily, sometimes twice a day. For the past two-three days, she's been lethargic, moody and very sensitive to any touch anywhere on her body. During exercise this mornng, she began presenting as foot sore on her front left on the inside circle--although she looks okay when walking straight. I also saw her urinate twice within two hours without much output. That's unusual for her. I've been approaching Poppy's care as if she is IR only but after reading the ECIR site and the bounty of info here, I'm wondering if she's Cushingoid or both . . . last year, the vet seemed to think Poppy would test as Cushingoid . . . her response to being off Thyro-L is confusing--could she actually have a true thyroid issue? I want to have the vet come draw blood pronto because something is definitely not right and getting more "not right" everyday. From my research, I now know NOT to fast her for 12 hours before (we did that last year) but provide soaked hay only. She was also tested during a laminitic attack (they thought it was an abscess) so the pain and stress could have affected the results. I am also questioning having her vaccinated--again, the vet paints horrible pictures if you don't vaccinate. I guess what I need most to know is what should I be asking for when the vet comes. I don't want to be bullied into anything but I don't know enough to defend what I'm learning . . . and when this vet gets going, I really question my decisions and choices. I'm at a loss and feeling anxious about the next best step . . . Thanking you in advance! Susanna Red Hook, NY March 2015 -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/31/15, susanna_armbruster@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Help and advice for Poppy Seed and Susanna To: EquineCushings@... Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 4:35 PM |
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CONTRIBUTING YOUR INFORMATION - HELP US TO HELP YOU
ThePitchforkPrincess@...
This is a very large group of horse owners with the potential for having a large database of information. Well-documented scientific data (your case history) helps the ECIR Group gain the trust of science-based equine professionals and shows patterns that shape the protocols that helps so many PPID and IR horses and owners. Sharing your information is the best way to thank the ECIR Group's volunteers for their help. Please take the time to add or update your Case History.
HELP US TO HELP YOU: For faster and more relevant answers, please include a link to your case history, photos etc, in your messages – to properly answer any questions the volunteers need to see a case history for your horse.
POSTING YOUR HORSE'S INFORMATION: 1. NEW Case Histories should now be posted in ECHistory8.
2. Full instructions and templates can be found in the main files in the folder
3. Keep your case history safe! Avoid losing your information by following the simple instructions and tricks for posting and updating case histories in the document
3. If you are updating an old Case History but there is no longer enough space on older history groups, feel free to move your information to ECHistory8.
<<< IMPORTANT >>> 4. Photos of any sort - this includes photos of text such as lab reports - should be posted in the PHOTOS SECTION of the ECHistory Group where your case history is posted. Links to ECIR Case History Sites
If you had or have to move your Case History, you don't need to move your photos. Just be sure a link to them is posted in both your case history and your message signature.
As you can appreciate, there are just too many places information can be. It is the responsibility of the uploader to note the urls and provide links whenever seeking advice from the volunteers. If you are unsure how to do this see the document "How to Make, Save and Post Signatures and Links".
5. Please check if you can add any information to the various Databases and Polls. Often overlooked, these tools gather the information Dr. Kellon needs to make and update the protocols that the group uses to help PPID and IR horses. For Neo Yahoo users, buttons/links to these locations can be found just under the any of the group's cover photos. For Classic Yahoo users these buttons/links are located in the top left-hand corner of the screen. Or you can click these links:
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Re: Was Trim Review and Shedding Question, Now:Trim Review
Suzanne Mansolilli
oops, sorry about not deleting the old post..
I understand what you're saying about the twisting. The frontal photos I just posted of were from last fall, so possibly they're not valid right now since his trim certainly has changed. I get home next week so will take photos myself. But if I remember correctly, before I joined the group, I noticed the hooves to be twisted to the pastern. Hopefully we get this all rectified by finding the live sole at the heel/bar triangle and balance from there. Thanks tons for your help! (Now I'll delete the previous message , and tell me if it shows up anyway.) SuzanneM & Monty Western Colorado — July 2014 Photo Album: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1794323561 CH: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/SuzanneM%20%26%20Monty/
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princess & sue new photos of her trim today. need feed back please
sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
hello, I just finished trimming princess front.. took me a long time but with the grinder it makes it go a lot faster.. now on the photos. the reg is her regular hoof and the club well its the club foot.. the reg hoof I think the left side is a little higher looking at the heel view? please tell me if I'm correct.. the club hoof she seems to be good. but I can take some of the hoof off looking at the side view but shes a little touche on this hoof so I'm going to do it over time. the breaking point is there but I dont have it straight down from the contraband. the front is were the abasses that I'm treating. it doesn't smell now but I know we have a long road a head.. looks a little better then the photo the other day.. baby steps.. please can I have feed back on the trim.. I want to keep it right on the best I can to help her.. I think I'm correct on what needs to be done but I guess I just want to make sure.. sorry about not having the bottoms my camera quit on me. sincerely, Sue & princess oh 6/11 |
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Re: Horses doing well vs doing poorly
Hi lj
It is estimated that one to 1.5 million horses in the US alone will suffer from laminitis each year. Research has shown just under 90 percent of those cases will be from endocrine disease. The kind of laminitis the ECIR Group is working to prevent. How well a horse will do really depends on the specifics of each individual case. That is why the group is so dogged about getting the specifcs and making sure communication is clear about what the members have shown to work: DDT+E. We all know our horses will pass before us in most cases. Our best hope and the goal of this group is to give them the highest quality of life we can while they are with us. It's hard to watch these horses pass. So hard. We go through periods of time such as now when many are passing. Anyone who needs an uplift please go check out the Success Stories and Giving Thanks on ecirhorse.org. Some of these horses have passed on as well. Their legacy was to live a full life and continue to teach so much to so many who come after them. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 FACT: With over 12,000 members and thousands of detailed case histories the ECIR Group has made it possible to spot patterns, many of which have been confirmed later by formal study. See E. M. Kellon, VMD, The Internet as an Epidemiological Tool, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.
---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote : Being new to the group, I know that many people post when they have problems and many that are doing well probably dont post as they dont need immediate help. So, when I read about the problems that horses are having and think of mine that seems to be doing well, am I just lucky ? I wonder because I know that those horses in trouble have been cared for via group ideas. Is there data of what% of horses will be laminitic? founder? lj friedman san diego nov 2014
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Re:
No, this is not an OK thing. It's illegal. Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner Feb 2001 ---In EquineCushings@..., <kansteen5545@...> wrote : Hi - Recently I e-mailed a question regarding a person giving their animals' med to another person for their animal and was told it was illegal. I have noticed that 2 people now have asked if anyone else would like their Pergolide since they now have no use for it. I saw no negative response to either person so is this an O.K. thing? |
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Re: princess & Sue.. REALLY NEED SOME HELP!!!!SOON PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sue wolf <wolffarm4@...>
hello, thank you for the support.. I know its going to be a rocky road ahead but I do feel that I can get princess up and running in 6 moths or less.. the vet agreed its possible with a lot of TLC.. I will not give up the fight unless princess does.. and shes bull headed like her owner.. today she cane out of her stall to visit me as I was haying everyone.. I cried and gave her a big hug. told her she was a good girl coming out to see me.. so the will is there its just the feet are not ready yet.... we'll get there.. small baby steps. sue & princess oh 6/11 On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 10:38 AM, "jetandguy@... [EquineCushings]" wrote: Sue, My best buddy Guy, was in the same situation in September 2013. The farrier found a regular abscess in one foot during his trim, it was a deep hole, so we took him to the vet to get an x-ray before continuing the trim. Our vet at the time was 20 minutes away. They assumed he had a bone infection too as the abscess went to the coffin bone tip and put him on antibiotics, I do not remember which one. We treated the abscess like a normal one until the end of October, the 2nd trim after discovery, when we found the abscess hole was actually bigger and starting to get gross like yours. the existing sole had started to slough off and come off due to trim. My vet didn't offer much hope and said due to his age (24), Cushings for 12 years, Lyme positive, and we were going into winter it was best to let him go. I refused, Guy wasn't ready, and found a 2nd opinion from Dr. Bill Riddle in North East, MD, two hours away. Guy spent a week there, getting a drastic trim, and having 2 sessions in a hyperbaric chamber. This was not a cheap week, it cost about $2500. Guy came home much happier, and was able to move around a lot better. We continued to rewrap his feet and treat the abscess daily.I had a new vet out doing x-rays every 3-4 weeks depending on weather when the farrier came, so his trims were being done with the x-rays. Our winter was ridiculously colder than normal, several nights at 0 degrees. Guy got stuck in his stall one night, he was up by the time I got there, but the signs were there that he had been down for awhile. There was something that hurt in his legs/feet as he didn't want to get up for the next 3 days any longer than to get a drink and pee. His feet looked great, and were healing nicely. They had gotten to the point where they could be uncovered in his soft rides. Unfortunately we found a new abscess hole in his bad foot at the end of May. Guy's feet never 100% healed before he was let go on June 24 2014. I still suspect there was something else wrong with Guy, not just the Cushings and Lyme, but I could not get a vet to listen and spend my money to diagnose him. I am not trying to make you feel bad, or be sad. I just want you to know what we have been through and I do not believe you have a hopeless case there either. I want you to know that you are not alone on this rocky journey. Good luck and my thoughts are with you and Princess. Megan - MD/VA August 2003
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Re: Another crosses the Rainbow Bridge
I'm so sorry for your loss; I know how very hard that decision is. You did what was best for Miami, at the expense of your own comfort...someday that knowledge will help you find peace. Hang in there.
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Recently I e-mailed a question regarding a person giving their animals' med to another person for their animal and was told it was illegal. I have noticed that 2 people now have asked if anyone else would like their Pergolide since they now have no use for it. I saw no negative response to either person so is this an O.K. thing? Karen ME/2014>
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Re: princess & Sue.. REALLY NEED SOME HELP!!!!SOON PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Megan Vogel
Sue,
My best buddy Guy, was in the same situation in September 2013. The farrier found a regular abscess in one foot during his trim, it was a deep hole, so we took him to the vet to get an x-ray before continuing the trim. Our vet at the time was 20 minutes away. They assumed he had a bone infection too as the abscess went to the coffin bone tip and put him on antibiotics, I do not remember which one. We treated the abscess like a normal one until the end of October, the 2nd trim after discovery, when we found the abscess hole was actually bigger and starting to get gross like yours. the existing sole had started to slough off and come off due to trim. My vet didn't offer much hope and said due to his age (24), Cushings for 12 years, Lyme positive, and we were going into winter it was best to let him go. I refused, Guy wasn't ready, and found a 2nd opinion from Dr. Bill Riddle in North East, MD, two hours away. Guy spent a week there, getting a drastic trim, and having 2 sessions in a hyperbaric chamber. This was not a cheap week, it cost about $2500. Guy came home much happier, and was able to move around a lot better. We continued to rewrap his feet and treat the abscess daily.I had a new vet out doing x-rays every 3-4 weeks depending on weather when the farrier came, so his trims were being done with the x-rays. Our winter was ridiculously colder than normal, several nights at 0 degrees. Guy got stuck in his stall one night, he was up by the time I got there, but the signs were there that he had been down for awhile. There was something that hurt in his legs/feet as he didn't want to get up for the next 3 days any longer than to get a drink and pee. His feet looked great, and were healing nicely. They had gotten to the point where they could be uncovered in his soft rides. Unfortunately we found a new abscess hole in his bad foot at the end of May. Guy's feet never 100% healed before he was let go on June 24 2014. I still suspect there was something else wrong with Guy, not just the Cushings and Lyme, but I could not get a vet to listen and spend my money to diagnose him. I am not trying to make you feel bad, or be sad. I just want you to know what we have been through and I do not believe you have a hopeless case there either. I want you to know that you are not alone on this rocky journey. Good luck and my thoughts are with you and Princess. Megan - MD/VA August 2003 |
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Re: Diagnosing PPID
Maggie
Hi Barbara, Great job getting your CH up!!! And thanks for putting a link to it in your signature--that really helps us to find it faster! Yes, you can hit "reply" from this email, if you want to continue on with this thread "Diagnosing PPID" or you can reply from the ECIR yahoo site. If you want to start a new topic/ask a different question, then go to the yahoo site and click on "New Topic". This will enable you to give your post a new subject label, which will make it easier for people who are searching the archives for something in particular. A word of caution with posting directly on the yahoo site. Sometimes messages disappear or send themselves before you are done typing them and actually hit "send" so best to do the actual writing in an email or some other format and then copy and paste it to the area that says "Write a message..." on the yahoo site. Does that make sense? I did look at Lily's CH and have a few comments. First and foremost, did you discuss with your vet increasing her Prascend after the lab work done on 2/2/2015 when her ACTH was 79.1? The 1/2 mg/day is not controlling her ACTH. The goal is to get her ACTH down solidly into the middle of the normal reference range. The pergolide (Prascend) dose is not weight related, but should be dosed to effect. The proper dose of pergolide is the dose that controls the ACTH. I see that she is fat, but also looks like you are still feeding her free choice hay and apples, carrots and the Purina mini. Is that correct? She is insulin resistant, and tough as it sounds, you need to stop these treats and also start to feed her 1.5-2% of her BW in either tested safe (under 10% sugar+starch) or soaked hay. Do you have any small mesh hay nets? I tried all kinds to try and slow down my Chancey's voracious appetite (even doubling and tripling them!) until I found these with 1" holes: https://stagecoachwest.com/greedy-feeder-p-5194.html They have really helped to slow him down. In addition to the soaked or safe hay you should start the ingredients in the emergency diet, salt, Vit E, ground flax seed and magnesium in the amounts outlined on our website here: http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diet I think we talked a little bit before about a leptin level. I know you do not have one, but horses/ponies that are IR are also usually leptin resistant. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating." Since they are leptin resistant, they don't get that message, so they never feel like they should stop eating. Lily's voracious appetite is probably a pretty good indicator that she is also leptin resistant. More information about Leptin and Leptin Resistance in the first file in this Insulin Resistance folder: And here are a few posts from Dr Kellon about Leptin. Also, I see that you are using a pink salt block for her. Please get her a plain white salt block. The red/brown/pink ones contain contaminants (dirt) that interfere with mineral balancing. One more comment and then I must get outside!! I see that Lily has had skin allergies. I want to share what happened to my Chancey after I found ECIR and got him first on the emergency diet and then on a balanced diet. He used to have terrible sweet itch. He would scratch his belly raw, literally dripping blood. We fought it all summer long every year. Once I got him on the emergency diet and he started to lose his excess weight, crest, fat pads, the sweet itch improved dramatically. Once I got him on a balanced diet it disappeared completely! Hang in there, Barbara! I promise, it all gets easier. And the improvements you will see in your mini will make you so thankful that you took the time to learn all of this! One more thing.... Please take a second to delete the old message that you are replying to before hitting send. It helps to avoid reams of repeat information from piling up and makes it easier to search the archives. Thanks! Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA March 2011 EC moderator/Primary Response |
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Re: Trim Review
Suzanne Mansolilli
OK, I get the part about the pillars and heel height. RE the soles, so when I find the live sole plane at the heels, what do you mean by "follow it forward"? How far forward? The whole sole? Or just between the bars and quarters to help establish bar and wall height? RE finding true tip of frog: Isn't it hard to find if the tip is surrounded by filled-in bar material? I think my farrier is just scraping off the height of the frog at the tip, not cutting down vertically to see where it stops laying over out front. Do I ask him to do that? I think that's why he hasn't been able to correctly calculate where to bring the toe back to. I'm sure you have a better way of explaining it, though : ) SuzanneM & Monty Western Colorado — July 2014 Photo Album: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1794323561 CH: ECHistory8 |
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MESSAGE POSTING ETIQUETTE - KEEPING ECIR USER FRIENDLY
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This is a high volume list that can be difficult to follow. Help make it easier for everyone by following the guidelines below:
1) Sign your posts with your first name, location, the date you joined. When asking for advice, provide a link to your case history or photos. The volunteers need all this information to provide quality responses to questions and suggestions for local support, vendors, vets, hoof care, etc. Limit your signature to 3 or 4 lines.
2) Delete all but the part of the message you're replying to before posting. Classic Yahoo users: Keep who is saying what clear by leaving the chevrons (>) in front of the text you are answering then type your response in a new paragraph below. Neo users: click on the words "Show Message History" (located in the lower right corner of the reply box) and erase the text that appears below it.
3) Change the subject line when threads take off in new directions indicate the topic . For example: NOW: New Subject (was Old Subject).
4) Don't re-post messages if they don't immediately appear on the group or go unanswered. Be patient, a lack of response is not personal or a reflection on you in any way. With so many posts some do get missed. Allow roughly 48 hours before re-posting with the words "2nd Post" in the subject line and simply provide the original message's number.
5) Off-topic but horse-related discussions: Our sister group ECHorsekeeping provides a place to discuss issues involving non-metabolic horses, general horse keeping practices, lameness, other equine health issues, alternative therapies and equine related philosophical debates.
THE ECIR GROUPS:
For a complete list of our all our sister groups see the ECIR Files Table of Contents
***WARNING*** Solicitation is against list policy. If contacted privately by someone selling a product or service, be suspicious. These mails frequently target new members or those in a crisis. Often the product or service will not hold up to close examination. It could be harmless but also could be unsafe. Any suggested supplement, treatment, hoof care approach, etc, should be posted on the list so that everyone can benefit from list feedback. If you receive an e-mail selling something, either post to the group to ask about it, or forward the mail to EquineCushings-owner@ yahoogroups.com
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