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Re: Clippers for Cushings Coat
Judy L. Meadows <marktime@...>
I bought clippers from
Barbara at the Clipper Barn of CT and clipped my Cushings horse
Rudy last week. He looks great, and I know he must feel so much
better in our humid 90 degree days! :)
Judy in SWMO 4/2014 --
Judy L. Meadows
~in the Missouri Ozarks
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Jasper's Weight How Is It??
corrine haffner
Hi I posted a picture of jasper on echistory8 ,need some input on how he looks weight wise. Does he look like he's dropping off weight ?? Hard for me to tell i see him all the time so small changes i don't notice,he got quite thin last summer so don't want to go there again. There is a picture of him from last summer in my album,don't want him getting that thin again. So far today has been one of his best days pain wise he's standing normal he's a 2 on the pain score. Thanks, Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014
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Re: New Hay To high ESC + Starch
corrine haffner
Hi The sugar is 5.8 the starch is 4.2 I already fed him 6lbs of this hay without soaking it,will find out if he comes up more sore here. Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014 ECHistory8
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Re: Dog Lyme Vaccine For Horses??
corrine haffner
Hi Lavinia I'v pretty much decided to not give this lyme vaccine to either horse just sounds, to risky on 2 horses who'v both been sick with lymes. Jasper still being on doxy for the lyme dease. I know not to vaccinate a sick horse. Don't understand why the local vets are pushing this vaccine,vet that was out for boarded horse knows good and well both my horses have been sick with lyme dease. Glad i came on here to ask for advice about this vaccine,results from giving it to both horses could of been less the good. Thank you so much Kerry & lavinia Corrine & jasper MN 4/2014
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Re: up date on princess with new vet..... sue & princess
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Sue,
Thanks for giving us an update. Glad that things seem to be moving in a better direction for Princess. Will be on the lookout for the latest xrays. Were any done after all the trimming and clogs were applied? It's a good thing that the vet took samples of the infection to culture to make sure it is being addressed with the correct medications. Just a few thoughts for you to ponder. How long is she supposed to be on the Isoxsuprine? It has been found to not be very effective when used orally in horses. The J-herb you were using(?) has much better vaso-dilating properties. IF she is on J-herb, shouldn't use it along with Previcox. What is the actual milligrams of the Previcox pill you are using half of? Nothing applied to the sole will get into her blood to help infection as there is no blood supply anywhere near that area. All the blood vessels are tightly hugging the coffin bone and in the digital cushion. If needed, Lower Limb Perfusion would be one thing that could be done. Another is using sterile maggots. As far as her diet is concerned, I thought Princess was on a mineral balanced diet? If so, then she has no need for any extra protein. Unfortunately, most vets do not understand that the amount of protein needed is not based on the percent protein of the feeds but on the actual amount in grams that is being ingested. In an IR horse, excess protein can be a lamintis trigger so not a situation of "more can't hurt". Sue, with your care Princess will outlive most of us. She is indeed a "Princess" and so incredibly lucky to have you as her person. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team |
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
Hi Kerry,
" I would much rather acheive a tight vit/mineral balance with a custom supp blended to augment my hay, rather than blindly hoping im doing the right thing by using an 'all-purpose' supp for fatties like the 30% supps now avail" Not sure if you are currently or have balanced your hay in the past, but these dense feed supplements...i...e..TC 30% come in handy in some diet balancing situations. In some cases, they can help provide additional protein, calcium, magnesium and contribute copper and zinc and work as palatable feed base for additional minerals that may be needed based on the hay profile. Not all of us can balance our hay with a custom supplement so I am glad that there are other products that I can offer an owner to balance their horse's diet. I think of them as another tool in the diet balancing process and not an "all-purpose supp for fatties". So if I am understanding your post your mare was IR and uncontrolled because she was early PPID. Are you still soaking her hay? Is she on a custom supplement to balance her hay? Sorry, I am not understanding where you are at with your diet for her......what is the ESC + Starch in her current hay? You can just write it in a post if you CH is unavailable. Thank you, Kathy Brinkerhoff SE/WI 10/12 |
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Re: Dog Lyme Vaccine For Horses??
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Corinne,
Kerry's given you a lot of good information. I just want to piggyback on her response. You never vaccinate a sick individual (horse, dog, person, whatever) for anything. All vaccines are labeled to only be used in healthy individuals. It doesn't matter what they are ill from or what you would be vaccinating for. Vaccinating for Lyme in an individual that already has the disease is dangerous - there have been severe reactions recorded. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team >>>>>>>>
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
Hi all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TC Lite's NSC is not "guaranteed" in each bag, and can vary tremendously from batch to batch (ask me how I know). The TC 30, however, *is* guaranteed to be 9.8% in each batch, as it's made in one plant with consistent testing. That doesn't mean that the TC 30 won't be too high for some horses, especially if feeding 1 lb. of it. As a ¼ - ½ cup "taste tempter", I've had no problems. Don't forget to add up the Selenium in these products, if you are feeding additional Selenium. TC has a good chart with some of this explained in footnotes about the range of sugars and starch that can occur across products. Jannalee Talent, OR 2008 |
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
Kerry Isherwood
....."What was/is the ESC + Starch in the hay you were/are feeding at the time when you experienced these crises?".....
These occurrences were last year when my mare was severely IR but not yet diagnosed PPID. This is the scenario I mentioned in another recent post/topic whereby I could not get any of my local vets to believe my mare was in fact early PPID (no clinical symptoms, borderline 36.6 ACTH, Cornell), etc until I found she was repeatedly hyperglycemic (in retrospect I believe commercial labs I was using were showing falsely lowered glucose results bc of the collection technique all during the time of mare's diet/exercise refractory IR (late summer '14). All last summer my mare was competing heavily (eventing) & was on soaked grass hay (roughly 8.0% *before* soak) and never more than 7.5% esc+starch bagged/chopped forage (and I weighed every serving down to the ounce!) yet she was still having severe insulin swings due to her as-yet-unknown PPID. Early on during the Summer of Hell as I now call it, my vet advised to add one of the 1-lb all-around 30% protein supps (I tried TC, Poulin's, and McCauley's) and each time had a terrible insulin spike. My mare is one of the cursed ones that cannot handle any fats, or a single bite of grass, any kind of grain product, etc and that is true still today, even with IR well-controlled on pergolide. Im way too gunshy to try one of the products now, and its a moot point anyway, because I would much rather acheive a tight vit/mineral balance with a custom supp blended to augment my hay, rather than blindly hoping im doing the right thing by using an 'all-purpose' supp for fatties like the 30% supps now availhi Kathy, Hopefully that answers your question. Unfortunately Neo erased my painstakingly detailed CH on my mare and Ive yet to update & repost it. Kerry in NY Sept 14 |
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Re: New Hay To high ESC + Starch
>.I'll try feeding it without soaking and see how he does, if he comes up more sore footed then i'll have my anwser. Do you know what the sugar value is? The starch value? That could give you a better idea of how much of a chance you want to take,on an already- sore horse. Lorna
in Ontario,Canada
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
Hi Kerry,
What was/is the ESC + Starch in the hay you were/are feeding at the time when you experienced these crises? Kathy Brinkerhoff SE/WI 10/12 |
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Re: Dog Lyme Vaccine For Horses??
corrine haffner
Hi I'am not going to give the lyme vaccine to jasper not worth the risk of losing him to a severe reaction. Like you said a round of doxy takes care of the lyme dease. Hopefully this 4 months of treatment will keep him good for a while. Think the older gelding has chronic lyme dease it's been never ending for him already has relapsed 6 times this spring. My dogs have never had issues with spring vaccination,they both did fine this spring after being vaccinated. Thanks, Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
Kerry Isherwood
....."The NSC on Triple Crown 30 is 9.8%".....
FWIW, my mare could not eat any of the bagged 1-lb supps like the TC-30 (McCauleys, Poulin, etc). Every one of them threw her into crisis, even when in full work.My IR//PPID mare is very sensitive to sugars, esp while in a hyperinsulinemic crisis. Thru many trials & errors, Ive found she cannot handle any ESC+starch over 7% (when she's not in crisis, she can handle up to about 10% when in heavy work). To say it another way, a horse may be seemingly fine on "x" diet until it reaches a threshold of insulin resistance whereby the same "x" diet its been eating all along suddenly is fueling the IR and ultimately making it worse; its not the diet that changed, its the horse's tolerance to it). So your horse *may* have seemingly been fine on the TC-30 for some time, then he reached a degree of IR that wrenched his metabolism into a downward spiral. The only real way to tell for sure is to test his insulin while on the TC-30. If you dont want to test, then simply take him off of it and see if he improves. But to do this definitively then you'll need to know what the exact % ESC+starch of the hay & rest of his diet is to be able to accurately ascertain if the TC-30 is the culprit. You should only remove one variable at a time to pinpoint the problem. However, if your horse has already become hyperinsulinemic and has sub-clinical laminitis at present, then you need to scrap everything & start the Energency Diet immediately to get the insulin down, which kinda brings you back full circle to really needing to check the insulin by blood test. Good luck, Kerry in NY Sept 2014 |
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Re: New Hay To high ESC + Starch
corrine haffner
Hi I'll try feeding it without soaking and see how he does, if he comes up more sore footed then i'll have my anwser. Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014 ECHistory8
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Re: Dog Lyme Vaccine For Horses??
Kerry Isherwood
Corrine,
I stand corrected, you are right that there have been some recent trials using canine Lyme vaccines in horses, however, it is still experimental, the mechanism(s) of action(s) not confidentally understood, and obviously is an extra-label situation. Some practices are requiring clients to sign waivers of liability bc of the FDA off-label use. Personally, I would not take the risk in any compromised horse (IR, PPID, etc), and especially not in one with known severe reactions to other vaccines. Honestly, its still too experimental for my taste to even consider using it in a *completely healthy* horse. Yes, Lyme disease sucks, but its unlikely to be fatal, oral doxy usually gets them back on their feet in a week, and those are far lesser risks in my mind than the potential for severe auto-immune reactions of an experimental vaccine. IME, Ive just seen too many fatal reactions from vaccines in my career to warrant the risk (my own older dog succumbed to myasthenia gravis after routine vaccines; a healthy middle-aged horse i knew was euthanized from severe laminitis after a single PHF vaccine; not to mention the rash of Immune-Mediated-Hemolytic-Anemia (IMHA) cases we see each June/July in dogs after spring vaccines, of which many are fatal). Im NOT anti-vaccine, quite the contrary; but I would not take the risk of introducing an experimental, off-label dog vaccine into my extremely fragile, already laminitic horse. Maybe in 5-10 years when the vaccine is better understood & more studies have been completed, but definitely not with the state of limited information as we have at this point in time My opinion only. Kerry in NY Sept 2014 |
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Re: Triple Crown 30 -- anyone else having problems with it?
threehorsefarm
His hay is balanced with the triple crown 30. I am not convinced at all the TC 30 is the problem, just wondered if anyone had problems with it. I am going to order the mix today from Horsetech and start that. Thanks for the replies; tried to trim this but don't see how to do it, so apologies. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:11 PM, kathbrink@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
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Re: New Hay To high ESC + Starch
> soaking will work now,but come winter it's 25 and 30 below zero wet hay freezes with in minutes.Not sure what i'am going to do come winter if hay needs to be soaked. It will depend on how sensitive Jasper is wrt needing to soak 10% hay or not. Many of us have soaked hay in temps like the above. Horses don't mind haysicles at all.In fact,I think they enjoy it. It's not fun, but it's definitely doable. Lorna
in Ontario,Canada
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Re: New Hay To high ESC + Starch
corrine haffner
Hi Hay guy had test re done on hay first test was WSC + starch. New test is ESC + starch total is 10%. No i don't have a copy of test.The testing was done at cornell. Am i going to need to soak this hay then?? soaking will work now,but come winter it's 25 and 30 below zero wet hay freezes with in minutes.Not sure what i'am going to do come winter if hay needs to be soaked. The hay is grass with 50 percent timothy in it,and less then 10 percent alfalfa in it. Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014 ECHistory8
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Re: Overwhelming
Larks Tabatha
I love my Paddock Paradise style track system that keeps my horse and donkey off the green growth in their pasture, but still allows them to meander all day from one hay net to the next, which are spread out along the dirt track that we created with an electric fence line. I now feel much better about not being able to let them out to graze knowing they have room to roam and they can have a good run and buck whenever the mood hits :)
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Re: Dog Lyme Vaccine For Horses??
corrine haffner
Hi There are 3 horse vets around here all are saying the dog lyme vaccine works for horses. One vet claims it solved on clients horses relapsing with lyme dease,after vaccinating her horses. Vet that came yesterday for boarded horse also claims the vaccine works,even for horses that have been sick with lymes before. I know there are different strains of lymes,also realize the vaccine might or might not work for all strains of lyme dease. I was just wanting to know if it was worth doing,vets here claim it works,i don't know if it does or doesn't. I'am just going by what the different vets have told me,so thought i'd ask on here about it. I'll skip doing the lyme vaccine for the horses,other vaccines they need to have EWT every summer there are cases of EE around here so not taking a chance on that.Jasper has always reacted to vaccines since he was a yearling. The last two or so years it's gotten worse,runs a fever of 103 sore neck goes off feed last up to a week,sometimes less. So down to giving him just the EWT . Thanks, Corrine & Jasper MN 4/2014
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