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Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure
Kerry Isherwood
I thought ponying one horse off the other was my quickest way to exercise both...
This winter when it was just too bloody cold to do anything i would put both in the indoor & hop on the mare bareback to get her old bones moving (she's prone to inertia). Tofurky would of course zoom us so as long as I carried a longe whip for self defense it was plenty of exercise for all of us. One time Tofurky's kamikaze game was just too rude so i turned the tables and played "Herd Furky" and my little fat QH actually pricked her ears & got into it! Poor Furky was so offended that he actually tucked his tail like a scolded puppy and sulked in the arena corner until we let him out of his time-out.i used to do that--put a heavy western saddle on my QH mare & ponied the gelding off her. Thats when he was still bat-$hit crazy and unrideable. We would walk for hours in the beautiful sunny fields w Tofurky tied to the horn, ping-ponging around us totally lathered in sweat. The mare was a saint. It took an entire summer but eventually he calmed down and learned to trot alongside without losing his mind. It all ended when Tofurky got enough confidence in our outings to start playing -- and kicking at us. Game over, do not pass go, go directly to jail... Fun & games with the rescues :) Kerry |
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Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure
Hey I used to exercise my small Arabian rescue from my mini-bike. It got him used to motor bikes and he got out of the farm and out along a few dirt roads to condition. And he loved it! He was the only horse I ever knew who was so sensitive on the lead line to human hand that he was never a risk to pull me over sideways off the bike even if he shied at something along the way. That is always a risk with many horses. I enjoyed the canters and gallops beside him, seeing him flow and shine with happiness from that point of view. Felt like a view from a bird flying along next to his side. He is not the horse with Cushings that I joined with. On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:00 PM, kerry.isherwood@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
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Re: A new low...and its not my blood pressure
paulah@...
---In EquineCushings@..., <kerry.isherwood@...> wrote : had a stroke of genius -- and learned the true depths of my laziness: I ponied Tofurky from my car for exercise. He was great! Fifteen minutes of nice, brisk trot, good footing; he didn't even mind the intermittent windshield wipers. No de-tackifying, no batheing, just drove him right back into his paddock, literally. Not even any tack to clean. Genius! ;) Kerry in NY Sept 2014 Hi Kerry, Not laziness, it's being effective with your resources! I love that he didn't mind the windshield wipers... still laughing at that. What a good boy! I thought ponying one horse off the other was my quickest way to exercise both... Paula with Cory (IR) and Onyx (IR) in Bucks County, PA, USA EC 2014 NCRplus2011 |
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A new low...and its not my blood pressure
Kerry Isherwood
Having two IRs, I admit some days I dont feel like riding both, but know I must make them exercise in some fashion. Free longeing, free jumping, etc -- there's still booting legs, setting up jumps, etc. But today, faced with crappy weather and the second consecutive day of no exercise for my horses, I had a stroke of genius -- and learned the true depths of my laziness: I ponied Tofurky from my car for exercise. He was great! Fifteen minutes of nice, brisk trot, good footing; he didn't even mind the intermittent windshield wipers. No de-tackifying, no batheing, just drove him right back into his paddock, literally. Not even any tack to clean. Genius!
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Re: slow feeder for pellets?
>You could put the Nose It in a low flat tub perhaps, in the corner of his stall? Works well! I have done this in several stalls.Used what was available -wooden boxes that were about 2' X 4' x 2'. But large rubber maid tubs,etc. would work perfectly,too.Water tubs,too. Or close the stall door. Lorna
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Re: slow feeder for pellets?
Kerry Isherwood
You could put the Nose It in a low flat tub perhaps, in the corner of his stall?
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Re: slow feeder for pellets?
lj friedman
The nose it ball,, gets pushed out of his stall.. public stable and cant be fixed for this purpose.. lj friedman san diego nov 2014.
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How much walking while healing from laminitis?
beverly meyer
Ginger's doing better and is now happy to get out of her 20 x 30 enclosure. She will walk to the far side of the pasture/yard, but then is slower on the way back. By the time we get to the pen, she is stumbling a little. Wouldn't this be disturbing the new lamina? Should I keep her on the lead and not go out so far, until she doesn't stumble anymore? Is there any other good way to judge how much walking is safe? Thank you. Beverly 6/14 Beverly Texas https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/ |
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
Kerry Isherwood
Thanks Dr Kellon, very interesting.
....."[tight balancing] seems to allow the body to gradually drop iron stores as it uses them to fulfill iron requirements. It takes at least a year to see any significant changes."..... Maybe im overthinking this...that being said, is it worth rechecking ferritin annually (or q18months) on a known IR w history of high levels? Is it worth checking serum iron periodically to assess dietary absorption status? And furthermore, is a serum iron level a useful tool in ascertaining control of IR status? ....."Although it's not something you are likely to see happening in your GP's office, phlebotomy/"blood letting" has been studied and used to reduce iron burden and (snip)"..... Kerry in NYwhen I worked critical care i saw two cases; one an idiopathic polycythemic dog that happily walked around w a daily Hct of 80%. It was always a tense moment when Medicine disposed of the literal liters of beautiful blood and an ECC person walked by and cried "OMG cant we somehow keep it for parvo puppies or something??" Other case wasnt true phlebotomy but involved Surgery showing off their shiny black leeches (meant for a nasty wound) to any new employee or unsuspecting intern. Not cool, even as earrings. Sept 2014 |
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Re: Apple cider vinegar, hydroponic fodder, and sage questions
There is no proven benefit of ACV in IR in any species. I definitely would not consider sprouts without an analysis (think ultra young spring grass....) According to this study (figure 2): http://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs_other/rmrs_2014_qi_y001.pdf where NSC is defined as sugar and starch, sage is always considerably above 10%. Eleanor in Pa www.drkellon.com
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Re: Apple cider vinegar, hydroponic fodder, and sage questions
periople8
Hi Susan, just a partial answer to #3: We lived in northern Nevada for 20 years and the horses often had free range out in the sagebrush; we observed that they were mostly browsing in and around the sage for anything green that eked out a living in the bit of shade beneath a sagebrush. If they are browsing primarily on sage you might try sending a sample into Equianalytical (that would be interesting, you might discover something in the mineral profile that your horses are missing?)
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
Because the iron is coming from the diet, it only makes sense to avoid dietary iron as much as possible. The actual requirement is no more than 45 ppm in the diet, which is almost impossible to achieve. With IR horses, the S/S content also has to take top priority. Dietary level is not the only, or even the most important, factor. With IR, iron absorption is enhanced and in turn worsens IR in a vicious cycle: Cross-Talk Between Iron Metabolism and Diabetes
Tight mineral balancing can help limit absorption. Zinc at least, and possibly copper, competes for absorption on some pathways. "Tight" means no higher than 4:1:3 Fe:Cu:Zn, and sometimes even lower. This seems to allow the body to gradually drop iron stores as it uses them to fulfill iron requirements. It takes at least a year to see any significant changes. Although it's not something you are likely to see happening in your GP's office, phlebotomy/"blood letting" has been studied and used to reduce iron burden and improve insulin resistance, e.g. Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
---In EquineCushings@..., <jan.engelken@...> wrote : But serum ferritin is increased by other factors, too. For example inflammation = = = = = = = = = That's true, but when inflammation is the cause there will be low serum iron and low transferrin saturation (serum iron/TIBC x 100) and it was high normal here. Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
Kerry Isherwood
Hi Lars,
Thank you very much for reply. A couple more questions, if I may: ....."Secondly, the iron content in the current diet will only be reflected in serum iron which is pretty low for Tofurky (170 ug/dL)." .... Said another way, serum iron is a snapshot of daily iron intake (roughly) while ferritin reflects the lifetime accumulation in body stores? Is that (painfully) correct?then i should consider the diet at time of blood draw "ok" in terms of iron intake, which is reflected in serum iron on bloodwork, if Im understanding correctly? ......"The value to worry about is for ferritin (340 ng/mL) which is a measurement of stored iron in the body. This iron have probably been built up in the body (mostly liver and spleen) during many, many years.".... Aside from blood-letting, as Dr Kellon mentioned, how does one "get rid" of excess ferritin? Ive read that sweating will leach tiny amts of it but its miniscule (however, my gelding does sweat ALOT, so there's hope ;) Will having a tight mineral balance on diet actually reduce ferritin stores, or will it simply just not add to the already high amount? Thanks again Kerry in NY Sept 14 |
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
Jan Engelken
But serum ferritin is increased by other factors, too. For example inflammation: The fascinating but deceptive ferritin: to measure it or not to measure it in chronic kidney disease? Jan Germany, 2010 |
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Re: slow feeder for pellets?
Hi Lj,
I don't have experience with the electric pellet dispenser, but have you tried the Nose it Ball for Jesse as was previously suggested? Kathy Brinkerhoff SE/WI 10/12 |
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Re: Help interpreting iron panel
lars_a_swe
---In EquineCushings@..., <kerry.isherwood@...> wrote : Unfortunately, the blood sample was drawn while Tofurky was eating unsoaked hay (25% of hay diet) and ODTBC (75% of hay diet). The analysis on the long-stem hay yielded an iron level of 111ppm (50 mg/lb) as sampled; - - - - - This isn’t an issue. First of all it takes time before the horse can absorb any iron from the foodstufs he is eating (a couple of hours before iron can be absorbed in the small intestine and several hours before iron can be absorbed in the large intestine). Secondly, the iron content in the current diet will only be reflected in serum iron which is pretty low for Tofurky (170 ug/dL). The value to worry about is for ferritin (340 ng/mL) which is a measurement of stored iron in the body. This iron have probably been built up in the body (mostly liver and spleen) during many, many years. - - - - - - Anyone know if other factors influence ferritin in blood levels (stress, weather, etc)? I really have got to take the NRC course... - - - - - The only way iron can get into the body is through the diet (including water and dirt). Stress and weather doesn’t increase body iron stores. Lars Sweden, July 2008 |
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Re: Need link to IR calculator again....
lars_a_swe
---In EquineCushings@..., <ndeewoods@...> wrote : If your insulin is reported in pmol/L you have to convert it to uIU/mL by dividing by 7.1. - - - - - - Regarding the conversion factor for insulin there seems to be a disagreement. The American Diabetes Association recommends the conversion factor 6.0 while the American Medical Association recommends the conversion factor 6.945. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/6/e83.full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/dme.12337/abstract Lars Sweden July 2008 |
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Re: Need link to IR calculator again....
lars_a_swe
---In EquineCushings@..., <ndeewoods@...> wrote : But...my numbers on Bren are Insulin 62.8 pU/mL and Glucose 87 mg/dl and for Shasta Insulin 9.1 pU/mL and Glucose 83 mg/dL - - - - - - Your insulin numbers can’t be correct. p stands for pico and means 10-12. To convert pU/mL to µIU/mL (or mIU/L) you’ll have to multiply by 10-6, i.e. I = 62.8 x 10-6 µIU/mL which is an unrealistic low number for insulin. My guess is that your insulin numbers are in µIU/mL and not in pU/mL. Lars Sweden July 2008 |
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slow feeder for pellets?
lj friedman
I read about the portagrazer and how it can be used for pellets as well as hay.. Then, I saw what looked like an electric pellet dispenser? time released? anyone know if either of these is good for pellets. Jesse.eats 4 qts of mtn sunrise timothy pellets 3 x a day, dumped into a feeder bin on the ground.. and he eats them quickly.. might a slow feed option be a good idea for a horse that eats pellets? anyone using portagrazer? lj friedman san diego nov 2014 |
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