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Re: Please help. New to all of this.

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Tiffany,

Ground, stabilized flax is the easiest. Triple Crown makes Omega Max; Omega Horseshine; HorseTech makes Nutraflax. Some horses love flax, some are indifferent, some hate it. Most will adapt to it over time. Try starting with 1/4 dose for a few days, then up it to 1/2, then move to full amount mixed into her food.

Iodine is pretty caustic so it makes sense she wouldn't be happy about having it applied to that sole crack if it is opening to soft tissues. A dab of antibiotic ointment would accomplish the same thing without causing the stinging/burning. Or you could use sugardine - a mix of plain sugar and betadine, made into a paste and applied to the sole.

You can dust her frogs,soles liberally with a medicated foot powder daily - something like plain Gold Bond (or the generic). That will keep moisture controlled and keep the thrush at bay. Getting her diet balanced and her trim corrected will go a long way toward eliminating the thrush problem going forward. High heels and overgrown frogs create the perfect place for thrush to proliferate because the hoof mechanisms are impaired. The high heels get contracted, limiting expansion and contraction of the hoof capsule and the excess layers of unexfoliated, dead fog tissue provide hiding places for the thrush to set up housekeeping.

Lavinia,  Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
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Re: Teddy - 28 yro Morgan/Quarter X - Pain/Inflammation

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Josey,

>My question:  What are my choices for maintenance/chronic pain/inflammation?   Is this low dose bute okay as maintenance?    He seems to be relaxing and using the leg/foot more.

I'm sorry that your message from Oct 23 seems to have fallen through the cracks.If that ever happens, please resend in a day or so, and add Second Try to the Subject Line.Sometimes things get a bit crazy here,but we sure  try not to leave anyone behind.

Can you give us a link to your case history? I know you were changing his feed last time you wrote.It's necessary for us to see the whole picture in order to give the best help.


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Teddy - 28 yro Morgan/Quarter X - Pain/Inflammation

JMillwood5@...
 

Teddy has Cushings and has been on PErgolide for several years now at 3 mg/day.    He has some joint issue in his left leg----thought it was the pastern, but xrays are clean.   He is on glucosamine/MSM supplement.
Currently I am giving him 1 gram of bute per day---1/2 tablet am and pm.   He gets Triple Crown Senior, timothy pellets and alfalfa pellets.   He mostly quids his Bermuda hay.

My question:  What are my choices for maintenance/chronic pain/inflammation?   Is this low dose bute okay as maintenance?    He seems to be relaxing and using the leg/foot more.


Josey Humbert-Sabo


Re: ACTH BACK IN NORMAL RANGE

Nancy C
 

Hi Bev

Every horse is different, so no.  With unresolved symptoms and continued high insulin, you could be far better off leaving the horse on higher dose. The only way to know for sure is to test.  Careful monitoring of symptoms is critical.


More info about pergolide, symptoms  and seasonal rise, including monitoring symptoms, here:
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/cushing-s-disease/pergolide

 


http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/cushing-s-disease/seasonal-rise

 

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Re: Best compounding pharmacy - Pergolide

Nancy C
 

Hi Banjo

There really is no one best pharmacy and it takes vigilance to ensure you are getting what you need. ECIR Group recommends when using compound to buy caps in 30 fay amounts and store in the fridge door.

There are several pharmacies that members have been dealing with successfully.  If you go to our links section you will find a list. Scroll down to Pharmacies

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/links/all

 



Have you discussed this with your vet? Why are you wanting to switch?

Can you help us by signing your name and location and date of joining the group?

Thanks


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---In EquineCushings@..., <banjostorm@...> wrote :

Hi Everyone!


I have a horse with cushings that is on prascend tablets.

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Best compounding pharmacy - Pergolide

Banjo Hartung
 

Hi Everyone!


I have a horse with cushings that is on prascend tablets.


I would like to switch him to pergolide from a compounding pharmacy.


I know some pharmacies aren't reliable/consistent on the mg in their dosage.


Which compounding pharmacy is highly reccomended for is dosage consistency, and what form is most stable (tablet or powder)?


Anything else I should consider?


I appreciate your assistance in advance, this group has been an invaluable resource for learning!!


Thank you,


Banjo


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Re: ACTH BACK IN NORMAL RANGE

beverly meyer
 

Is the advice to start titrating back on Pergolide in a week the same
for all of us?
I'm new to the seasonal rise and fall issue.
Ginger was controlled at .25 and is now at .95. So I'd slowly go back to
.5 and retest in January?? With a goal of .25 in summer again.
Thanks for the advice. Couldn't find the right info file on this.
Beverly 5/14
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Shipping ACTH

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi All,


I am starting to get everything organized so I can re-test King's ACTH. I have read all the specific instructions on drawing the blood, centrifuge to plasma, and then freezing it within 4 hours(max) to overnight it on ice. Where does everyone get their shipping supplies(what container do you ship it in, where do you get the ice packs, etc)? 

I have the Cornell shipping labels page saved so need to get a couple of those overnight labels ordered also.


Thank you. 

Stephanie Stout

Oregon

Oct 2014




Re: Please help. New to all of this.

Tiffany Woodward
 

Maggie,

Thanks for the clarification on ODTB.  They sound like a good option.  I board Maggie, and while our hay typically comes from the same farmer, I'm sure that the sugar/starch content will probably vary somewhat with each batch.  And I'd like to have her on a diet that is easily managed by the barn workers that take care of feeding and cleaning stalls.  By the way, what type of flax do you recommend?  I picked up a small bag of ground flax at the grocery store just to try, but she's honestly not a big fan of it at the moment.  She kind of picks around it.  She did eventually clean up Friday's portion, but not until sometime overnight.

I contacted the local cooperative extension on Friday to ask about a hay probe, but the director is currently out of town, and the secretary had no idea what a hay probe is.  I suppose I'll have to wait until Monday, unless I can find one another way over the weekend.

She seems to be feeling okay right now.  Wednesday was a bad day (maybe because she moved around too much on Tuesday evening), but Thursday and Friday she was marginally better.  She was up quite a bit on Friday, even though I didn't give her any Bute on Friday morning.  She goes through periods of not bearing much weight at all on the right, to bearing a decent amount of weight.  She's still moving pretty comfortably on the left.  She's definitely not thrilled about having that crack treated with iodine, but I do manage to swipe a cotton ball across it.  Things are also complicated by the fact that she seems to have developed thrush in the sulcus of her frog on the right front, and she's pretty sensitive in that area as well.  She has always been prone to thrush, but I'm sure the fact that she's in boots 24/7 right now isn't helping.
 


Re: Mare in late pregnancy - with laminitis - new board member

Ozhorse Emma
 


I just got some Magnesium Oxide supposedly 95% for my mare.  How much should I give?  Should I also give a Calcium supplement with that?

Her other feed is MaxiSoy (Soy hulls) Speedibeet (beet pulp) Prydes EsiSport, a few lucerne cubes, oat chaff and a little wheat hay.

See case history



Emma
Snowy Mountains Australia
Joined Nov 2014


Re: Dr Kellon - Tumeric advice?

Mrozielski <joycemrozielski@...>
 

There is a very helpful Facebook page : Turmeric User’s Group. Turmeric must be mixed with oil (or linseed), and pepper. It is all explained on that page.
Joyce
Normandy, France


Re: WAS: Monty's Lab Results, NOW: Re-testing ACTH

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Hi, 

My horse was diagnosed PPID with ACTH at 461. My vet recommended 1mg Prascend, group moderators recommended increasing to 2 mg and re-testing.  My question is do I just re-test ACTH.  Originally I got the bundled ACTH/insulin/Leptin test and a glucose test from Cornell. Do I repeat them all or just re-test ACTH?

Thanks

Suzanne & Monty


Winterizing my horse

Carolyn Wahlfeld
 

As Freckles is newly diagnosed with Cushings and we are starting in to the cold weather, what do I need to know about preparing for the winter?  I use Back on Track Hock Wraps (nightly when cold) and have Quick Wraps and Knee Wraps.  As I live on an island, the weather is rarely severe but we do get snow. 


Carolyn with Freckles and Boomer

Whidbey Island WA

2014


Re: Chasteberry and Prascend

Carolyn Wahlfeld
 

I forgot...


Carolyn with Freckles and Boomer

Whidbey Island, WA

2014 



Chasteberry and Prascend

Carolyn Wahlfeld
 

My 40 year old horse was recently (Nov. 7) diagnosed as having Cushings.  His diet is soaked timothy pellets and Hay Stack Special Blend and he is maintaining his weight - but he seems to be experiencing the veil. With the help of Gateway (Su-per products) Freckles' supplements are changing - he is off the usual joint supplements as I was told they are sugar based.  New regime:  Omega Flax powder, GastroShield powder and MSM Ultra Pure powder.  (These are still in the mail)  I was wondering if Chasteberry liquid can/should be given if Freckles is taking 1mg of Prascend daily.  I am still working on vitamins for the Pacific NW conditions.  The person at Gateway said that it is possible that Special Blend feed has everything Freckles needs.  Advice is needed.


Re: leg wraps for winte rwarmth

PapBallou@...
 

I've used them a lot, but they can be pretty tricky to get on if the horse is shod with metal or composites.  Also, if the horse has a hard time standing due to arthritis issues or laminitis, they can prove to be a challenge as well.

You may consider these - take all of seconds to put on, and the horse doesn't have to lift the foot/leg...



Re: Previcox dose

hawkhilldeb@...
 

Thanks, Lavinia for the info and links on Previcox and Gabapentin.  I will definitely be discussing the dosage with my vet.  I really appreciate you for giving me a "heads up" on this.

I saw that one of the links discussed ALCAR instead of Gabapentin.  I have had him on the ALCAR for several weeks and didn't see any improvement. I finished it up this week and thought I would try him on the Gabapentin.  Really, these are all just shots in the dark.  Cory's pain may just be something that only time (and hoof growth) will cure but I feel like I have to keep trying.  At least, his attitude and appetite are still good.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
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Re: leg wraps for winte rwarmth

Kathy Graves
 

Has anyone tried those things called Whinney Warmers?  They might work.

K. Graves
2011
N. California


On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:35 PM, shilohmom@... [EquineCushings] wrote:

 

Hi Deborah,

The idea is to keep in warmth so boots that cover the lower leg, and even the hoof, are what's needed. For the feet themselves you could use socks inside of padded boots. Lined shipping boots are a relatively simple solution.

How much warmth will depend on what the temps are doing in your area and how sensitive your horse is to the drop in temps. Need to start wrapping/blanketing once the temps drop into the forties as that is when the cold-induced issues start.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team





Kathy Graves



Re: Please help. New to all of this.

Maggie
 

Hi Tiffany,
 
Sorry, ODTB=Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance cubes.  They are low sugar starch Timothy hay cubes, each batch balanced according to Dr. Kellon's specs.   They can actually be used as a complete feed if one cannot find low sugar starch hay or for older horses with dentition issues. Still would need to add iodized salt, ground flax seed and Vitamin E if using them as a complete feed.   Lot of us add warm water to them to "fluff" them and use them as a carrier for our minerals and supplements.  They are also great low sugar starch treats.  The Triple Crown Lite will be just fine in those small amounts, but if you are looking for a safe treat or you want to replace part of Maggie's hay, you could use the ODTB's.  Any place that carries Triple Crown products can get them so you can ask at the place where you got the TC Lite if you're interested. 
 
I use those poly rope smhn's (small mesh hay nets) too.  Love them!  I started with the ones that had about 2" holes and then ended up having to double them as Chancey got more efficient at emptying them.  Finally found these greedy feeders with 1" holes and they are working out the best of anything I've tried so far.  https://stagecoachwest.com/greedy-feeder-p-5194.html  You could try putting part of Maggie's hay in the hay net and part in the Nibble net.  I bet she masters the rope one soon and then you will be able to reintroduce the Nibble net. 
 
I'm investigating the message you got when you tried to open the link to the members database.  Stand by for more info on that.
 
How is she feeling today?
 
Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
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Re: leg wraps for winte rwarmth

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Deborah,

The idea is to keep in warmth so boots that cover the lower leg, and even the hoof, are what's needed. For the feet themselves you could use socks inside of padded boots. Lined shipping boots are a relatively simple solution.

How much warmth will depend on what the temps are doing in your area and how sensitive your horse is to the drop in temps. Need to start wrapping/blanketing once the temps drop into the forties as that is when the cold-induced issues start.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


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