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Re: Fermentation from overnight soaking possible diarrhea cause?

Betty Ann
 


One possibility is the extra moisture in the feed. From what I've studied so far the hindgut may not absorb all the moisture that is available in the feed.
Betty Ann
Mar 08
ON CAN
 


Re: rocker toes]

karen ansteensen <kansteen5545@...>
 


Hi Maggie -
    Very nice site.  Maybe I can have a friend help with the photos - I know one who has a camera that can load pictures on a computer.
Karen
Scarborough,Maine
May 2014


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karen ansteensen <kansteen5545@...>
 


Hi Maggie -
    I was having trouble getting into the folder so I decided to wait until I had actual lab results to put in before I tried again.  That should be soon. 
   I don't have a camera that can be used with a computer - but I should think I could get x-rays sent via computer.  I'll ask the vet.
Karen
Scarborough,Maine
May 2014


Re: rocker toes]

Maggie
 

Well, there you go!  Already got advise from Linda!  Get the xrays and take some photos of your trim!  Here's a site that tells how to take good hoof photos: http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html   Then post them in your folder in ECH8. 

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
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From: "kansteen5545@... [EquineCushings]"
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:29:45 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: rocker toes]

 

Thank you Linda!!!
That makes more sense - to get x-rays instead of smomeone's "opinion" about your horse's feet. I can save the money I pay the trimmer just to check what I've done and put it into x-rays instead. If my trimmer starts to argue with me, that's what I'll tell her.
Karen
Scarboroigh,Maine
May 2014




New member

rmmastiffs@...
 

My guy came through winter fine, he is 16. I have his mom. Had his grandmother until she passed. We just fenced an additional 3 acres and were moving between  pasture and new field

He started limping. Had farrier come trim. She said his sole is conflexed. Vet came out stated foundered. 5cc prevail 2 x day. Needed to lose 200 lbs. we turned lot in front of barn into sand box. No grass. No grain. Just local grass hay. 2 weeks ago he popped an abscess. Vet switched from prevail(banimine) to bute. Did antibiotics for 7 days, I top dressed on 12 oz of grain with molasses. A friend sent me your link yesterday. Farrier is coming to release abscess tomorrow, vet is out of town for 2 weeks. How do I start to see if this is my horses issue? I thank you for any and all help

Debbie Stith and Yankee 


Re:

Maggie
 

Hi Karen,
 
The best course of action for you is to post some hoof photos (and xrays if you have them) in the PHOTOS section of ECH8.  That way our hoof gurus can take a look and guide you in your trimming.  I trim my own two boys, but would never presume to be able to give trimming advise!  I trimmed for many years prior to joining this list, yet I continue to learn from all the hoof pictures and markups. 
 
Glad to hear that your horse if feeling better!  I tried to open your case history, but it says that your folder is empty.  Have you filled that out yet?  Really makes it so much easier for us to refer back to when answering your questions!  Don't forget to add the link in your signature once you get it filled out too.
 
Do you know if your vet is sending your lab work to Cornell on Thursday?  If so, please add the glucose and leptin to your ACTH and insulin.  ACTH, insulin and leptin is a bundled test for $62 at Cornell and the glucose is an additional $8.  Am sure your vet will charge you more, but those are the 4 tests you should ask for.  He/she needs to have an account at Cornell and make sure that he/she knows about the discount shipping labels.

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
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Fermentation from overnight soaking possible diarrhea cause?

awmitche
 

Sorry, I don't have an updated CH on file, but I'm trying to get to the bottom of a messy problem. I'm having the BO soak hay, (s/s is 9.7) she is only able to do it overnight so it starts to ferment by morning.  Taloma (IR mare) has developed severe diarrhea with this regimen, and I'm trying to understand if it is the long soak/fermentation that is the cause or if it s high levels of protein in this particular load of hay (13.0%).  All other minerals are balanced and not particularly excessive. 


I am currently using BioSponge to help get things under control, and I have Ration Plus being delivered on Thursday, but the sooner I can get this figured out the better.


Any thoughts?


Thanks

Jill & Taloma

Albuquerque NM

Joined August 2012


Re: rocker toes]

kansteen5545@...
 

Thank you Linda!!!
That makes more sense - to get x-rays instead of smomeone's "opinion" about your horse's feet. I can save the money I pay the trimmer just to check what I've done and put it into x-rays instead. If my trimmer starts to argue with me, that's what I'll tell her.
Karen
Scarboroigh,Maine
May 2014


Re: pergolide

lindagallipo
 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Maggie-she was on the capsules, retest is scheduled for this thurs-we'll see what this one says. Thanks for all the info, Linda


Re:

PapBallou@...
 

Karen -

There is no readon to rocker a toe or back the toes unless the toe is too long, and on particular if there is a lamellar wedge.

Trimming a toe to a specific length is only approporiate if that length contributes to balancing the hoof capsule to coffin bone in three dimensions.

If you think the toes need to be adjusted with your trim, invest in x-rays.  Too many hoof care folks sort of blow off the need for them, but if you, the owner are questioning what needs to be done, get them.  External structures don't always align with internal structures, especially following laminitis.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re:

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Maggie -
I have another question - it's about a rocker toe in connection with Laminitis. I have not heard it mentioned in this group - just toes back. (As well as heels down) I do my own trimming and have it checked by a natural hoof trimmer every 8 weeks. My horse has recently had a bout of Laminitis after hand grazing - and my trimmer says we can discuss a rocker toe when she comes next week - which I have already told her I do not want. I have the toes at 3" with a mustang roll. My horse is better already this week and is walking well without boots. How does Dr. Kellon feel about the rocker toe. The reason I do not want it is because she will be well down on her soles in the front and she will be sore - and will need boots until her toes grow out again.
That said - this Thurs. I am having blood drawn for ACTH and Insulin. She is on an IR diet.
Karen
Scarborough,Maine
May 2014


Bea and Michele: Hay analysis

minpinmom1130@...
 

The saga continues!  I up loaded Bea's last blood test, still tested high so vet increased her pergolide to 1.5m.  In the meantime, I had my hay tested from the two fields we have hay from and I just knew it would be too good to be true if it tested below 10% From what I can understand from the hay analysis both are over 10%. So, soaking is going to be a part of my life for the present.  Ok, next step, from the analysis, now I need to figure out minerals, correct?  I have Bea on the emergency diet with the minerals at the present.  How do I go about asking someone to help me figure out the math for both sets of hay? I am using BP to deliver her meds and minerals.  One question, why so much salt added to her diet?  I am only giving her one heaping tablespoon presently.  Thank you in advance for your help.  This has been quite the experience; I am sure I can't be the only one who is so thankful for this group and all their knowledge.  It's been a little depressing at times, but I am putting my best foot forward to help Bea recover. So far, she is doing better, body looks more normal, hair is looking better but funkier than normal, puffs gone above her eyes, hard to tell about the water consumption because she is drinking less since I have been soaking her hay, and she seems to be sweating a lot less when I am exercising her. Thank you in advance.


Michele and Bea

March 2014


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Re: Appetite is back, but still not eating "enough".

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Dianne,

>  I think she may have dropped even more weight.  

From your case history, I would say to disallow the clover, stop the Dynamite free choice minerals,etc.,and balance her diet instead, and be sure her pergolide dose is adequate.
I don't see meds on her CH but thought I had seen you mention it somewhere.Sorry.No time to go back through messages.

Others have suggested some of these changes.

The details are really important.although that is not to say that there isn't something else going on.

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Re: weighing stemmy hay

kansteen5545@...
 

Thanks Maggy -
That's a good idea - yes - there is a lot of stemmy stuff left over - it sort of accumulates and she uses it to sleep on.
Karen
Scarborough, Maine
May 2014


Re: Stabul 1 in Northern Virginia

ferne fedeli
 

So the current flavor of Stabul 1 is supposed to be banana?  That is strange, as my Icelandic now gobbles up his Pergolide capsule in a handful of Stabul 1, but wouldn't eat it in a banana!!!
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:04 AM, lvc2675@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

I just placed an order for 10 bags of Stabul 1 feed from the Manassas TSC in Northern Virginia.  The store has allowed me to purchase just the bags I need at a time, and since I only use feed as a supplement carrier for my IR gelding I will just be getting 2 bags to start which will last me a long time.


Just putting the word out to anyone who might be in the Northern Virginia or Maryland area that might be interested in trying the feed out.  There will be 8 bags available.  Order should be here the end of this week.  I'm hoping we can get enough interest to order larger quantities to get the price per bag down.  Also, I believe Randy is sending samples to the store as well for those who would like to give it a try.


There is a new flavor coming out soon, next week, I think.  Fenugreek, I believe, in case banana isn't your horse's favorite flavor.


Laurie and Slider

Northern Virginia

Sept 2013





Stabul 1 in Northern Virginia

lvc2675@juno.com
 

I just placed an order for 10 bags of Stabul 1 feed from the Manassas TSC in Northern Virginia.  The store has allowed me to purchase just the bags I need at a time, and since I only use feed as a supplement carrier for my IR gelding I will just be getting 2 bags to start which will last me a long time.


Just putting the word out to anyone who might be in the Northern Virginia or Maryland area that might be interested in trying the feed out.  There will be 8 bags available.  Order should be here the end of this week.  I'm hoping we can get enough interest to order larger quantities to get the price per bag down.  Also, I believe Randy is sending samples to the store as well for those who would like to give it a try.


There is a new flavor coming out soon, next week, I think.  Fenugreek, I believe, in case banana isn't your horse's favorite flavor.


Laurie and Slider

Northern Virginia

Sept 2013




Re: Appetite is back, but still not eating "enough".

dshoenfelt@...
 

Thanks for the replies.  She has had her teeth done recently and we always use an equine dentist, never the vet.  He said her teeth were fine, just the normal sharp edges to remove, but nothing major.

I'm getting discouraged.  I think she may have dropped even more weight.  I really think there is something else going on.  I think the Cushings is secondary to something else.  Cancer maybe?  I don't know?

She hasn't had a formed bowel movement in I don't know how long.  Its been a while, and now they're getting even softer.  The other horses had some cow flop poos in the early spring from the grass, but everyone else has adjusted and is back to producing apples again.

The vet said she didn't feel any unusual thickening or inflammation of the bowel.  Maybe some kind of malabsorbtion syndrome? 


Re:

Maggie
 

>Here in Maine, the hay is so stemmy most of the time, I find I need to feed more to make up for all the stems. Is there a way to figure this into the equation?

Hi Karen,

Is there a LOT of stemmy stuff left over?  Enough to weigh?  If so, I would just see how much that stuff that they don't eat weighs and feed that amount in fresh hay pound for pound.  What a pain, but I think once you do it several times, you will be able to make a good estimate without having to weigh it every time. 

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
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Re: Hilton Herb's Easy Mare

 

Ellen - I use Red Raspberry leaves from Herbalcom.com also on my IR/Cushing mare in the Spring when her heat cycles seemed more severe.  It doesn't hurt her one bit and is less expensive.  I used 1/4 cup daily for 6 days then skipped a day.  Believe it not, my vet recommended this to me.  I start this about February and give it to her through May.  Hopes this helps

Jean and Amber
in South Carolina
August 2004


Re: Stormy is panting...need advice please

Teri
 



Is there a way to tell if this is anhidrosis instead of allergies/heaves?   
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I think this was anhidrosis after all.   I body clipped Stormy last Wednesday.  It didn't help immediately, but by the next day, she was better.  She has been fine ever since...no more panting.   I'm assuming that since her panting stopped, that means it wasn't a lung issue.  

I ordered the Lung EQ.  Haven't received it yet.  Should I just send it back or go ahead and give it to her?  It looks to have some good ingredients in it.    I also ordered Phyto-Quench.    

General update...   A while back I asked for advice about using pea gravel or sand in her lot.   We finally got a load of pea gravel a week ago.  She's loving it!   She walks much better in it and I bet she's rolled a gazillion times!   :-)   Also, after 2 yrs, she is out of her Soft Rides and wearing Eponas....per Linda's advice.  So far so good with them!  Those boots were a true life saver for her, but glad to finally have her out of them.  
Bad news is, her ACTH still hasn't leveled off.  I increased her pergolide by 1mg.  just a couple of weeks ago and it looks like I'm already going to have to increase again.  That puts her up to 16 mgs.!    YIKES!   I'm sure we're not done, either.  :-(    Last year it didn't level off until November.   

Thank you Dr, Kellon and volunteers for all you do!  It IS appreciated very much!  
Teri and Stormy
Indy 4-2012

 



 
Your vet can do an intradermal epinephrine or terbutaline test for anhidrosis.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com

 

   
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


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