Hi Catherine,

  Found the xrays. Were these taken before or after the corrective trimming was implemented? From these xrays, the soles are really thin, esp under the tip of the coffin bone. This would certainly account for the soreness Melada is feeling.

  New, current pics would be really helpful for us to help you make sure the trim is going in the right direction.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

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Hi Tish

Here's a link that may work to Pepper's CH

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20100124042945/http://www.sportshorses.com/cases/Mooshkala.Pepper.htm

You joined in September 2003.

Nancy C in NH

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Febriuary 2003

Hi Wallene ~

The treatment for acute toxic hemolytic anemia is fluid and blood transfusion, antioxidants, and to remove the cause (including administering charcoal if the ingestion is current).  Although some heme may be conjugated to bilirubin, the horse isn't losing iron, the red blood cells are "lysed" or damaged - and giving iron isn't going to fix that.

http://www.ivis.org/advances/knight2/acer/chapter.asp?LA=1

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/sive/2010/english/11.pdf 

(If you can't open these, join IVIS - it's free - and you can print these for your vet.)

If your horses seem comfortably active, the primary action right now would be to mineral balance their diet and ensure they are getting quality forage with adequate Omega-3 (flax - 3 oz), vitamin E (at least 1,000 IU per 500 lbs body weight) and vitamin A (at NRC level for their weight) and salt.  

As the second article mentions, hematocrit may decline several days after ingestion of the toxin (2-5 days), so if you're within the five day time frame and they appear to worsen (lethargy) you may want to consider a clinic where they can have blood gas levels checked and be transfused if necessary.  If you're past that time frame and they're doing OK, good diet and avoiding strenuous activity (that increases oxygen demand) should allow them to rebound.

I'm sure Dr. Kellon has other considerations to suggest, but avoid the added iron - simply counterproductive.

Also try to get copies of the blood test results.

Patti Woodbury Kuvik

Vail AZ 2001

Linda:

Yikes, Tori was even more tender footed this morning than she was yesterday.  Moving around her paddock, but gingerly, rather than striding out.  So much so that I didn't ride her at all today.  I am afraid I might have taken too much off the heels?

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Jackie -

I have to ask you why you are riding her?  Her feet are nowhere near balanced since her founder in the spring.  I would expect many horses would not be at their best with the form she has, regardless of past history of founder.

This is absolutely not a situation where "ride her through it" is appropriate should someone be suggesting that, or even contemplate suggesting that to you.  I know there are some out there who think movement is key and make the horse work.  Wrong.  Movement is key, but only if she can do so.  

Until you get the feet correctly balanced, you should not even consider riding her IMO.  I'm confused that the farrier doesn't see the corrections that need to be made.  Frankly, there doesn't seem to be much change since when we first met Tori.

Linda

EC Primary Response

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Hi Linda:

My farrier has been coming out every 4 weeks since Tori foundered but I didn't think that was adequate so I have been doing twice weekly rasping of what seems to need it in between. They have actually been worried that I have trimmed too much, but I am hearing from you that I still haven't gotten the trim to where it needs to be.

I went out and worked on Tori's hooves again today based on your latest feedback and have posted the photos in the photos under echistory7 at http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/photos/albums/11873534.  I did trim the bar and her heels, but the side view still looks like she has way too much heel even though the bottom view and back view don't look that way. One bottom view looks like I need to take off the sides as well as the heels although I swear I didn't see it when I was out working on her. I also worked a little on the flares, though again the back view looks like her entire hoof is slanted to one side. Argh!  This is hard. 

My farrier is coming out on Tuesday to trim the horses so if you could review and respond to my questions on the photos before Tuesday, I'll pass them on to someone who is more competent at this trimming business than I am. 

Tori was doing much better -actually sound on soft surfaces for most of the last month, but she was a bit hesitant again this morning.  Not sure why.  Perhaps it is the colder nights?  She only wanted to walk for the first 15 minutes I rode her today so that is what we did, but then seemed to loosen up, get a burst of energy and volunteered to trot on the sand surface of the arena and seemed better at the end of her half hour of exercise.

Thank you for your continued guidance on proper trim.  It amazes me that I see so much more in the photos than I do when I look at the hoof and that different views almost look like a completely different hoof.

Jackie & Tori

June 9, 2013

White City, Oregon