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Re: Hay Analysis done and need help
I answered Joy's private mail but as for sedation, many of the drugs in use today cause a suppression of insulin which makes glucose spike. As they wear off, insulin spikes to compensate.
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Re: Superman's weight
I found this in the files here.
Purina NSC Comparison 2006-02-04.pdf (groups.io) Purina ES 2009-06-10.pdf (groups.io) There should be a CH for Superman,only thing on it that might not be current is the Prascend,which he's getting half a pill now. I defiantly trust the advice given here over what I read on FB,my vet has told me twice now to put him on Purina Senior.I hesitate because of the safety factor but I'm not thrilled with the ingredients but use it for another horse as it's what has helped him gain and maintain weight and it,is available and more affordable than other senior feed. (this horse is not PPID). That's why I'm looking for another way to get Superman looking better,I'm trying to get him tested soon before the seasonal rise so we'll have that info as well. -- Anette and Superman (Jaywalker in heaven) Boomer, NC Sep.9 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anette%20and%20Jaywalker https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265991 |
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Re: Booting problem - pain at the back of the hoof?
Hi Cass, I've got the All Terrain Ultras Maxine mentioned. If you want some photos or videos to show how soft the backs are let me know. The upper back is a soft cushioned neoprene. However, there is a strap that runs around the back of the hoof to tighten and secure the boot and that might be a problem for you. I can take some pictures of them on Shaku today to show you how the back of the boot looks and how flexible it is/isn't.
-- Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album |
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Re: Lack of appetite
The only way to know for sure it's the pergolide is to stop it. It's unusual to take this long but others have reported the same thing. Assuming it is the drug, when you start back this time use APF and I'd keep her on Bon Appetit https://uckele.com/bon-appetit-powder-3lb.html for one container at least.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Re: Slippery Elm and absorption of minerals/vitamins
Slippery Elm is useless for colonic conditions because the microorganisms can easily ferment its mucilage. As for interfering with nutrient absorption, the horse's stomach holds 2 to 3 gallons and the small intestine is over 70 feet long, esophagus 4 to 6 feet long. It would take a lot of Slippery Elm to coat all of that real estate.
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Re: EMS horse now diagnosed with ERU
The ERU can be a sign of immune disruption in early PPID. I would have him tested. NSAID use is usually restricted to flare ups, not long term, because none of them are safe long term. Many people have had success with Phyto-Quench long term but only your vet can prescribe for him.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Re: nutrionalist report for Wally questions
You definitely should be using Carol and Maxisoy, which is soybean hulls, is both safe and a quality protein.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Re: Booting problem - pain at the back of the hoof?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 05:51 AM, Sherry Morse wrote:
Sherry, thanks. Those both look like good low profile backs. Like my Renegades, there's little room for pads. I will check if she can manage in Renegades and then take another look at these. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos |
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Re: Weighing hay
Michele Einarson
I use a battery operated fish scale (similar to a luggage scale) and leaf bags from Amazon. If you have no Ikea, leaf bags are pretty much the same.
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Re: nutrionalist report for Wally questions
Sherry Morse
Hi Jen, 1 - no lucerne for an IR horse as many will become footsore on it. (See https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/alfalfa-and-the-ir-horse/) 2 - no straw as this can be higher in ESC+starch than some hay (see https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2020/11/16/the-facts-about-feeding-straw/ and you can search the message archives as well) 3 - no soymeal for an IR horse as the ESC+starch is too high for an IR horse 4- using psyllium to control insulin has been not been proven. This is a snip from the last time this came up and I did some looking around on it (March 18, 2022): Using psyllium has not been mentioned as helping with insulin here so I think you probably read that somewhere else. As mentioned in this email regarding a Getty article 'wish it were so' (Re: Free Choice Feeding an IR Horse (groups.io)). The studies on this that I could find were all done between 2010 and 2013 with healthy horses and in a nutshell the psyllium had a negligible effect on insulin. As you're in Australia you may want to contact Carol Layton about balancing your hay as she is familiar with our protocols and can assist you: Balanced Equine - Home
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Weighing hay
Kim Leitch
I use a fish scale, others use luggage scales. There are pictures of my set up in Grits’ photo album.
-- Kim 10-2014 Clover, SC Dually: IR; Grits and Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related) Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314 Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 |
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Re: New test results for Emmy
Sherry Morse
Hi Joy, Glad to see her insulin is heading in the right direction. Would definitely up her pergolide as it's still high and we're of course heading into the seasonal rise time of year. Looking at your CH she was getting 6 capsules and 2 chewables so I think I'd go with 10 capsules only as we've seen the potency on the chewables is not as reliably maintained as the capsules. You'd probably want to run just a baseline ACTH recheck (unless you're in Dr. Kellon's study) and an insulin about mid-July to see if that's keeping her ACTH in the normal range and if the insulin has come down at all with the continued diet/exercise and reduction in ACTH.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Hay Analysis done and need help
Sherry Morse
Hi Joy, Blood mishandling usually results in lower than normal results but not sure how the sedation will play into that as that can also skew results. Hopefully Dr. Kellon can speak to that but in the meantime I would stick with the diet and great to hear that he's feeling better.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Weighing hay
I use a luggage scale as well, and I wight put each meal in a plastic tub. So I first weigh the tub which in my case is about 4.8lb and subtract that amt from the total lb when the hay is within the tub. :)
-- Nancy and Vinnie and Summer Oakley, Ca Joined Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855 Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104 |
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Re: Weighing hay
Sherry Morse
Hi Kristel, If you do a search of the messages for 'luggage' or 'scale' you'll find a ton of answers.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: EMS horse now diagnosed with ERU
Sherry Morse
Hi Ronelle, There are potential issues with long term NSAID use no matter what the reason they're prescribed. Is the ERU due to lepto or something else? Has Yoyo been tested for PPID? My go to person for eye questions is Dr. Nicole Scherrer at New Bolton (UPenn) but I'll shoot a question to my Blind Horses group on FB as well to see if anybody has used the Equioxx and what their experience has been.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Phyto-Quench
Sherry Morse
Hi Mary, I totally understand the quality of life issue. My mare had COPD (pre-PPID diagnosis) and I hit a point with my vet where I had to insist on trying Dex for her as the only other option was putting her down. She lived another 6 and a half years after that so it was the right call for her. However, even after she developed PPID she was not IR and she was not laminitic so I had a bit more flexibility on her diet than you have with Vandy. For her, getting her insulin down is going to help her feel better so I'd be looking at safer diet options for her.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Weighing hay
I weigh hay daily for 2 horses. We use a small battery hanging scale. We hang it from a carabeener on a rope in a doorway. We use large blue Ikea bags which easily hold 5-6 lbs of hay. Bags weigh 4 oz, which I subtract from the total 5 lbs of hay each bag. We feed 4x per day so make 8 bags a day. They are easy to carry out to the shelter where they are usually fed on mats. At the moment we are soaking, so just dump the bags into laundry baskets to soak. Previously we weighed and fed in slow feeder nets.
-- Hilary and Amika Prince George, BC, Canada Joined July 2019 NRC+ proficient grad January 2022 Amika's Case History Folder Amika's Photos Folder Jack's Case History Jack's Photos Folder |
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Re: Booting problem - pain at the back of the hoof?
Sherry Morse
Cass I'm not sure how well they'd work for adding padding but have you looked at the Scoot boots? They're a bit more adaptable for sizing than some of the Easy Boot products although they're usually a performance boot. Experts in Horse Hoof Boots and Horse Boots - Scoot Boots There's another newer brand that also might work (again performance focused but you might be able to add padding) - Explora is the name: Explora Hoof Boots: Adaptable, Versatile, Adjustable | Riding Warehouse Blog They're similar to the Easyboot Fury but don't look as constricting in the back.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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New test results for Emmy
Joy
Some encouraging news! Pre: 43.6 (48.6 in April) Post:>1200 Insulin: 44 (62 in April) Glucose: 107 (not done previously) Leptin: 12.98 (26.9 in April) -- Joy and Emmy WI, Feb 2019 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Emmy/ https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=85584 |
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