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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle, I missed your 2nd post before posting myself. From what I read at the time, some horses with anaplasmosis develop a fever which doesn’t last long. The fever was the most obvious sign with our pony. Those ticks carry all sorts of nasty diseases. When I looked up which ticks carry Lyme, I saw that the Ixodes pacificus is one of them. Here, it is Ixodes scapularis which seems to carry all these. The same drug will treat all these things so best to just get started to see if that helps. My daughter seemed to recall that the Ixodes pacificus isn’t as likely to be a Lyme carrier as an anaplasmosis carrier. We are literally infested with ticks here and my husband was very sick in the hospital with Lyme just as Covid began to fill the hospital ERs so we are highly tuned into avoiding them as best we can.
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle, I did not mean to suggest anaplasmosis is what you’re dealing with. My guy had a high fever and it’s possible that laminitis might have developed but it did not. My story was to let you know that the oxytet could be administered with care by the vet without having to use an iv set up. Here, anaplasmosis is sometimes known as tick fever. When I called the vet to ask for help, the first thing he mentioned was “tick fever”, which was not a term I’d heard before. Testing confirmed his suspicions but we didn’t wait for the test results to start treatment. Apparently not all cases of anaplasmosis develop a noticeable fever but this guy sure did.
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
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Kellon Recognized by AAEP/Zoetis
Press release sent to equine community announcing Dr Kellon's nomination. Please share, especially with your local veterinary community!
For Immediate Release July 20, 2022 Contact: Nancy Collins ecirgroup1@... Photo available Eleanor M. Kellon, VMD Recognized by
AAEP/Zoetis Good Works for Horses
"Good works” are selfless acts of giving back to the horse, for the sake of the horse and people they serve. ~ American Association of Equine Professionals (AAEP) Good Works for Horses, sponsored by AAEP Educational Partner Zoetis, honors AAEP-member practitioners whose volunteer efforts are having a positive impact on the equine community. Dr. Kellon was one of several AAEP-member veterinarians nominated for the award in June for her work with the ECIR Group Inc., and was chosen for recognition as a “Place” finalist. As the recipient of this honor, Dr. Kellon is now eligible for the Good Works for Horses grand prize, which will be decided by AAEP judges and announced during the month of September. Voting continues through August. https://aaep.org/good-works-nomination Over the 20 years that Dr. Kellon has been associated as lead volunteer with the ECIR Group, she has supported members in crisis on a daily basis. Her passion for the welfare of all equines, her knowledge of equine physiology, her willingness to patiently teach and her drive to continue to learn, her ability to cut through the noise, is a skill-set list second to none. All combine to provide support for caregivers during what is too regularly the very difficult experience of dealing with equine metabolic laminitis. Upon receiving the news, Dr. Kellon remarked, “It’s an honor to be in the company of such wonderful veterinarians, but the work of ECIR is not only one person. There is an army of dedicated volunteers keeping this almost 10,000 member group working smoothly. Equally important are the members, owners, hoof professionals, and caretakers, who have gone out of their way to seek answers for their animals, contributing their data and sharing results so we can all move forward.” Established in 1999, the nonprofit ECIR Group has nearly 10,000 international members. Here are but two reports among thousands from members providing evidence of how the equines in their care have been helped by Dr. Kellon.
The ECIR Group Inc. Officers, Directors, Members and Supporters, thank AAEP/Zoetis for this opportunity to recognize Dr. Kellon for her service, and for the opportunity to share insights into her dedication to the horse. XXXX
About ECIR Group Inc. Started in 1999, the ECIR Group is the largest field-trial database for PPID and EMS in the world and provides the latest research, diagnosis, and treatment information, in addition to dietary recommendations for horses with these conditions. Even universities do not and cannot compile and follow long term as many in-depth case histories of PPID/EMS horses as the ECIR Group. In 2013 the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc., an Arizona nonprofit corporation, was approved as a 501(c)3 public charity. Tax deductible contributions and grants support ongoing research, education, and awareness of Equine Cushing's Disease/PPID and EMS. THE MISSION of the ECIR Group Inc. is to improve the welfare of equines with metabolic disorders via a unique interface between basic research and real-life clinical experience. Prevention of laminitis is the ultimate goal. The ECIR Group serves the scientific community, practicing clinicians, and owners by focusing on investigations most likely to quickly, immediately, and significantly benefit the welfare of the horse. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 |
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
Martha, we do have the Western black-legged tick (Ixodes pacificus) here which is one of the ones more common for anaplasmosis. Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 We had a situation here with a horse which developed anaplasmosis. It’s tick borne and I suspect most equine vets would have set up an oxytet iv switching to doxy. We had the doxy on hand and picked up some oxytet from the vet which they had us administer through a slooow IV injection. I think we gave oxytet 2-3 times and then switched to doxy. My daughter is a vet, although mostly small animal, so they were comfortable having us do that. Perhaps the vet could come a few times to give the oxytet? It’s the same type of drug as doxy just more effective for starting treatment. --
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
Thank you Martha, did the anaplasmosis cause laminitis? Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 We had a situation here with a horse which developed anaplasmosis. It’s tick borne and I suspect most equine vets would have set up an oxytet iv switching to doxy. We had the doxy on hand and picked up some oxytet from the vet which they had us administer through a slooow IV injection. I think we gave oxytet 2-3 times and then switched to doxy. My daughter is a vet, although mostly small animal, so they were comfortable having us do that. Perhaps the vet could come a few times to give the oxytet? It’s the same type of drug as doxy just more effective for starting treatment. --
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Re: Possible overdose
Thank you, Eleanor and Sherry!
-- Sue and Ruby, NE Utah, 2017 Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Ruby Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=272221 |
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
We had a situation here with a horse which developed anaplasmosis. It’s tick borne and I suspect most equine vets would have set up an oxytet iv switching to doxy. We had the doxy on hand and picked up some oxytet from the vet which they had us administer through a slooow IV injection. I think we gave oxytet 2-3 times and then switched to doxy. My daughter is a vet, although mostly small animal, so they were comfortable having us do that. Perhaps the vet could come a few times to give the oxytet? It’s the same type of drug as doxy just more effective for starting treatment.
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
What about devil's claw and white willow bark. Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...> wrote: When only used short term, you can stop gabapentin without a taper. Otherwise, the human recommendation is to taper over one week. --
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Re: Now VIt. E (was But E)
Lesley Bludworth
I'm just hitting reply on my phone. There are no quote bubbles, but i will problem solve it.
Thank you !
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:25:19 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] Now VIt. E (was But E) Lesley,
You are including the entire message you are replying to when you respond. For the sake of those who are reading are on Digest we ask that you please do not do this as it makes the digest very long for those who receive messages that way.
Thanks,
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Re: Hyperthyroidism and other questions regarding blood tests
Liz7033@...
Dante's dosage of pergolide has been increased to 3mg. The pergolide is in a capsule, which I hand feed daily. In March, his Vitamin E was normal at 6.1 ug/mL and Selenium was slightly elevated at .31 ug/g. Last month the vet did do a mini neuro exam, walked in a tight circle and backing and he said he looked good. I'm planning on contacting OSU today. (closer than WSU) They were consulted by the vet a month ago. And see how they would precede. At that time I'll pass on Dr. Kellon comments. I haven't been able to get a pulse on him during one of his episodes. The stomach scope went yesterday went ok (I was worried about 14 hours without food). Found 2 small ulcers, but vet says not his major problem. Will treat for ulcers though. Thanks Liz SW Washington January 25, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Liz%20and%20Dante https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268141 Dante photos Tasha photo album Case History |
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
When only used short term, you can stop gabapentin without a taper. Otherwise, the human recommendation is to taper over one week.
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle,
We can't prescribe for your horse - just share our experiences. Our collective experience has been that NSAIDs and gabapentin are not very effective. In addition, NSAIDs beyond 7 days or so carry a high risk of gastric, colon and kidney damage - with the colon injury worsened if you also give omeprazole. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Sherry Morse
Gabapentin can be stopped cold turkey as mentioned by Dr. Kellon here: Re: Laminitis Spike (groups.io)
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Re: Morgan Mare Diagnosed with EMS and PPID
Hi Lori
Not sure if this will help but.... I just got my wet chem results back and they are indeed 26% higher for ESC than a quickie NIR test I ran earlier. I use the NIR in this case so I could decide if it would be low enough to proceed. I use the 30% rule applied to NIR to see if I am still safe. I was. This helps me get back to the grower more quickly. If we apply the "30% rule" to your NIR test that would put you at 8.45 for ESC. Given her current status you'll probably need to keep soaking at least in the foreseeable future. To add to confusion, some folks have not had the issue with variable ESC results when testing side by side NIR and Wet Chem. If you have good supply options to look elsewhere, that would be your safest bet. Would the the grower hold the hay for you while you test wet chem? Long shot, I know. It's nice hay as far as palatability and digestibility go. Protein good. Will need calcium and phosphorous, copper and zinc to balance. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 |
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
I have read the tapering off article. Would Gabapentin work the same way? or can I stop altogether? Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:41 AM Nicolle Dupont via groups.io <nicolle8383=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
I am going out there now and wonder if I should stop Gabapentin and Bute? Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:36 AM Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...> wrote: Any chance there was a snake bite. Laminitis can be a delayed reaction. --
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
Funny you say that, a friend's horse got bitten by a rattle snake last week, although she lives 2 - 3 hours away and in a much drier climate. Elsa first presented two months ago and I did not notice any marks or scabs on her at that time. I checked for ticks at that time and found nothing. Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:36 AM Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...> wrote: Any chance there was a snake bite. Laminitis can be a delayed reaction. --
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Any chance there was a snake bite? Laminitis can be a delayed reaction.
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Re: Hydration for recumbent horse (was Re: [ECIR] Solar Penetration)
Nicolle Dupont
I am heading out to the facility now and will double check. Regards, Nicolle Dupont 1831 Parkcrest Ave. Kamloops, BC V2B 4W8 Cell: 250-644-4002 Fax: 855-288-9410 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:26 AM Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...> wrote: Are they cooler than the hinds and/or than other horses? --
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Re: Possible overdose
Sherry Morse
Hi Sue, She may or may not show any issues. If she did it might be just a bit of lethargy.
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