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Leg protection products

Rita Chavez
 

I've been looking for a leg fly protection for our 2 horses. I tried ShooFly Leggins and they do work, but they also cause a rub mark on both of Stetson's rear legs and they don't fit my husband's new Friesian gelding's legs very well at all because they trap the pastern hair and make him itch. I found SoxforHorses.com. I'll be ordering Silver Whinnies for our boys, but they also carry winter leg warmers! I know a lot of you were looking for ideas to quickly and efficiently wrap legs for warmth and they have two kinds, one indoor use and one outdoor. Not cheap, but look like a really good solution for turnout in winter and wet/snowy days. 
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Rita C. and Stetson (IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Flax oil

Anette
 

Since TCN Flax is either hard to find or extremely high priced ,I've been considering flax oil. Is this a good option ? If so ,what is the difference in measuring it out? I have looked at whole seeds as well and that's pricey too because I can't get them locally.  
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Anette and Superman (Jaywalker in heaven)
Boomer, NC
Sep.9 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anette%20and%20Jaywalker
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265991


Re: Joker Blood Test Results

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Work is the best medicine for him - and weight loss. Owners are usually not very accurate in estimating weight or body condition score. At 14H, 900 lbs is too heavy. Put him back in work.

Cutting of the hay has nothing to do with whether or not it is safe.That depends on the ESC + starch levels.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Next steps for Sully

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Griffin,

If he's on a 1/2 tab of Prascend that's .5mg.




Re: Coco Blood Test Results

Sherry Morse
 

As with Joker Coco is in need of a tighter diet.  If he needs to lose 25lbs he should also be eating no more than 2% of his ideal weight daily (that would be 4.5lbs of hay a day).  Once he's lost the excess weight as with Joker you can recheck insulin to see if that's been enough to bring it back in line but unlike Joker Coco is not in the danger zone for laminitis at the moment so diet would be the main area to focus on at this point.




Re: Joker Blood Test Results

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Anna,

You have Joker listed as a 6 at 900lbs so considering his insulin level is so high I would concentrate on getting his diet tighter and getting the extra 50lbs or so off of him to see if that helps. To do that you need to feed him no more than 2% of his ideal weight (I would say that's no more than 850 if he's a 6 at 900 so 17lbs TOTAL per day) So no more free choice hay.  You can also consider Metformin as his current insulin level is so high but getting the extra weight off and keeping him on a controlled diet is going to be the best thing for him.




Re: Updated Files for Ponies #photo-notice

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Rene,

Elevated ACTH can drive up insulin but we have not found it to work in the other direction.  IR in ponies is not rare as they are bred to be thrifty doers and not supposed to be eating a lot of supplemental feeds.  Once they're old enough to have PPID that can drive the insulin higher than it would be otherwise. 




Re: human diabetes medication (SGLT2i)

Nancy C
 

Hi Tori

There are several members working with their vets and Dr Kellon on using these meds to lower insulin in their EMS horses, particularly Invokana and Steglatro.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/search?p=Created%2C%2CSGLT2i%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0&q=SGLT2

and

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/search?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0&q=invokana

Use has specific protocols and has to be carefully monitored. Dr Kellon will send protocol information to your vet if you send her that email information via PM. drkellon "at" gmail "dot" com.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



human diabetes medication (SGLT2i)

Tori & Floss
 

There are vets in Australia currently recommending treating laminitic horses with success with this medication to get Insulin down?
Has anybody heard of it before?
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Tori

 

December, 2016

Adelaide Australia

Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Floss 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3347

 

 

 


Re: Next steps for Sully

Griffin Keller
 

He is currently started on 1/2 tab while at the trainers and taking it well. I don't know exact dosage so can't add that to the file until I get that info.

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- Griffin

Jan 2018, Charlottesville, VA

Sully Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Griffin%20and%20Sully

Sully Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=274313 

Prophecy Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Griffin%20and%20Prophecy

Prophecy Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=17115


Coco Blood Test Results

Anna.warzecha4@...
 

Results are back from Cornell of Coco's ACTH test and Insulin.
ACTH: 21 (2-30 normal range)
Insulin: 66 (10-40 normal range)

Coco is currently on .5mg of prascend. Is there anything else that I should be doing to manage his Cushings and IR?
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Anna Warzecha, MI, 2022

Joker (IR), Coco (PPID and IR)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anna%20Warzecha:%20Joker%20%28IR%29,%20Coco%20%28PPID%29


Joker Blood Test Results

Anna.warzecha4@...
 

Results are back from Cornell of Joker's TRH stim test and Insulin
Pre ACTH: 8.8 (2-30 normal range)
Post ACTH: 21.4
Insulin: 133 (10-40 normal range)

Joker is already on no grain (only supplements) and 1st cutting grass hay. Is his insulin number something that is high enough I should be considering other meds like metformin?

He is very sound at WTC in paddock with free play. I have also noticed that he is walking on the gravel drive better and he always used to be very sensitive on the stones, even prior to his acute laminitis. The farrier noticed that bruising areas from his laminitic episode are still growing out during his trim today. I am planning on waiting to work him, so his feet have more growth time from his laminitic episode in December. My local vet suggested I start working him again to help lower his insulin. Please advise. 

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Anna Warzecha, MI, 2022

Joker (IR), Coco (PPID)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anna%20Warzecha:%20Joker%20%28IR%29,%20Coco%20%28PPID%29


Re: Updated Files for Ponies #photo-notice

Mialisa@...
 

Seriously, I think way too much! I have another question. Would it be possible that the high IR is driving up the ACTH? Then the real reason the Insulin is high would still be a mystery. Obviously I am not a vet. Just overly analytical.

I have had these ponies since they were 6 months old. 90% of the time they are good, so when they have gotten sore in the past, I question everything that I did for them. Most often I was over feeding their hay and when it was reduced by .25 pound increments until I saw an improvement then that is where we stayed. I used to, of course, guess that they weighed 500 lbs. and they have never been with out a meal. I. just. couldn't. do. that.

All this winter they have not been sore on this hay and I think that is because I am finally feeding them according to their true weight with hay that does not bother them.
Thank you so much.
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Rene` in WI 2021
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Isaac
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Joshua


Re: Atten: Lavinia Request first time markups for Sunny second request

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Numotizine won't do any damage. When it changes from grey to pink you probably have seepage there.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Atten: Lavinia Request first time markups for Sunny second request

Susan Carroll
 

Ok, I’ll breathe.  And Keep soaking, should I also keep putting the numotizine on?  I left it off last night because I was so freaked out that it was doing more damage than good.  I do think my issues right now are the abscesses and the trim.  And again, that pink is ok??  His sole looked raw.  
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Susan C from GA 2022
Sunny Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Susan%20and%20Sunny
Sunny Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=274055


Re: Next steps for Sully

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Griffin,

His TRH stimulation is clearly positive and PPID likely the cause for the insulin rise. I did the original field trials of Vitex/Chasteberry and have followed everything since very carefully. It's not a substitute for pergolide. If you don't start pergolide, the next sign he is an early PPID case could easily be a fall laminitis episode.

The Yucca in Buteless isn't recommended. I'd suggest Phyto-Quench pellets instead. We haven't found InsulinWise to be effective.

Do deworming as suggested.

If you are talking about EquiSeq testing, it's 100% unproven. Forget about it. See what I wrote about them six years ago at the bottom of this blog https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2016/05/25/fear-mongering-and-pseudoscience-sales-tactics/ . Nothing has changed.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Olaf May Have Bone Spur

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Because Olaf had actual bony column rotation, the pad should be cut so it is a level pad - no wedge at all.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Atten: Lavinia Request first time markups for Sunny second request

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Susan,

Breathe.

Thanks for getting the additional pictures. Taking the sole shots while Sunny was down was a good idea. The sole color is not a problem- it looks like there may be some residual Numotizine on them - which is pink colored. The trim needs work but otherwise, there really isn't any change from the other sole shots. Repeat soaking in epsom salts is also going to make things look a bit prune-like and will clean out all the little nooks and crannies that were already there, making them more visible. Again, not a problem.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: What to do when a horse refuses to eat hey

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

First, they won't starve themselves. They may pout for a while but they won't starve. If they are having loose manure they are getting way too much grass in this strip grazing. I would forget the Spring grass entirely. You can let them have brief periods on grass with a muzzle after the grass has reached full height and dropped its seed. Pull them off it again in fall when nights get cool and over the winter.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Just Posted Baldur's Case History

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

No need to stop turnout with his buddy.  Just feed him breakfast first so he's not hungry then send him out in a fully closed off muzzle for 4hrs, or up to 6 hrs max.  He should still be able to drink water through the muzzle, but watch the first few times to to make sure he knows that. 

It's hard for us humans to take horses off grass, but they will adjust to their new normal.  Lush green pasture is not the natural environment for a horse and while some breeds tolerate it well (ie Thoroughbreds), other breeds are more adapted to harsh or dry conditions just can't handle rich modern grasses without extensive exercise.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album

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