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Re: Removing

junglamom
 

Thank you so much for this information.  I had my hopes that one might work but was cautious.  This company is the best in Costa Rica, all the others are worse.

I'll keep him on the emergency diet and he has done very well on it.

Again, thank you Dr. Kellon  and to all in the group.

Diane Ewing

--- On Wed, 3/28/12, drkellon <drkellon@...> wrote:

From: drkellon <drkellon@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Removing
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 6:27 AM
















 









I sent this privately, but posting here too just in case.



We're having mail problems.



You can't use any of those feeds because they are all based on corn. The last two also have a medication that would kill a horse.



Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com

EC Co-owner

Feb 2001


Re: compounded pergo pulled by FDA

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

We had several long discussions on this recently. Put FDA in the Archives search box.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


compounded pergo pulled by FDA

sally.stork
 

My vet just showed me fda statement on this-----phone # on it was fda # 1888-info-fda(1-888-463-6332) issued 3/16/12-----I think its over--any ideas?


Sugar

Marianne Herzberger
 

Hi all,
 
is there an AVERAGE percentage of sugar contents in Canadian Thimothy grass|hay?
I was having a discussion with a food producer in Holland, who claims that the sugar in their product is 2% - the product contains both Alfalfa and Canadian Thimothy..
Can this be true? I would have thought that 4-5% would be more likely..?

Marianne ( *Jannepauli*)
EC June, 2011 - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Marianne/
The Netherlands


Re: Long Distance Haul - IR - Ulcergard? Dr. Kellon?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "graceacres814" <tkgillette@...> wrote:


Thank you Dr. Kellon,
So I should get some for this 12 hour journey even if he will be getting soupy cubes?
Yes, I would. You can get it online without a prescription.

http://www.nextag.com/ulcergard/shop-html

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: High Insulin with normal blood sugar.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, she may have had an insulin spike - or her PPID might not be controlled.

I'd recheck it, at least 4 hours after first meal of the day and feed enough that she is still munching when tested. Would also strongly suggest you send to Cornell.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Copd and spring allergies

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Bev" <beevely@...> wrote:
I saw in one of the posts that dr kellon suggested 2500 mg a day. How much is that?..
That's about 1 tsp of the powder.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Changing From Canadian Ginseng to APF During Spring and Summer

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Linda,

It doesn't have any effect on ACTH itself, but it mimics ACTH - just has a weaker effect.

Good question, and I really don't have an answer. Fine to switch to APF though, or even J.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: anti itch formula

Susan Boyd
 

Peggy, Here is the formula for the skin allergies:
 
4 oz day of ground stabilized full fat flax
20 g twice a day of Spirulina
2500 to 5000mg/500lbs Chondroitin Sulfate twice a day
 
For neck thread worms treat with ivermectin. midline dermatitis caused by neck thread worms and allergies to culicoides look similar. If you are not sure then I would treat for both.
 
I use this on three of my horses and results are great as long as I start treatment early. Once the allergic reaction is in full swing..lots of hair loss and sores, it is harder to get it under control. You also need to use a good barrier to protect them from the bugs. I use a very expensive spray I get from my vet but am in the process of trying to make my own less toxic spray.
 
I get my flax from HorseTech and my Spirulina and Chondroitin from MyBestHorse. Not sure if the prices are the best but the quality and service are great.


Susan
Ice, Connie, Dalton, Swani, Vanessa, Shadow, Biscuit, and Cody Doll
Florida /August 2010/NRC0610/NAT1011/CIR1011
 
http://www.artnanimals.com

--- On Wed, 3/28/12, Peggy <dreammaker@...> wrote:


From: Peggy <dreammaker@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] anti itch formula
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 12:13 PM



 



I'm going to be putting in an order with Ian for Perg and thought I'd make
up the anti-itch stuff that folks on here have been talking
about.Chondroton, spirulina and don't recall the 3rd ingredient. Will also
need to know how much of each to mix up. Perhaps there is a more economical
location to purchase than Thriving Pets?? My mare gets the itchies real bad
starting soon and goes all summer.mostly in her mane/withers area. Do you
think it's bugs or thread worms.just had that thought come to me as I'm
typing. What worm procedure do I need to do to rid her of thread worms? I
wormed with ivemectin on March 17th and my vet said to wait 30 days to do a
fecal. I'm open to any and all suggestions. I've wormed more than usual this
winter because the gelding still had ticks at Christmas!!

Peggy/Illinois

May 2004

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Re: Removing

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I sent this privately, but posting here too just in case.

We're having mail problems.

You can't use any of those feeds because they are all based on corn. The last two also have a medication that would kill a horse.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


anti itch formula

Peggy <dreammaker@...>
 

I'm going to be putting in an order with Ian for Perg and thought I'd make
up the anti-itch stuff that folks on here have been talking
about.Chondroton, spirulina and don't recall the 3rd ingredient. Will also
need to know how much of each to mix up. Perhaps there is a more economical
location to purchase than Thriving Pets?? My mare gets the itchies real bad
starting soon and goes all summer.mostly in her mane/withers area. Do you
think it's bugs or thread worms.just had that thought come to me as I'm
typing. What worm procedure do I need to do to rid her of thread worms? I
wormed with ivemectin on March 17th and my vet said to wait 30 days to do a
fecal. I'm open to any and all suggestions. I've wormed more than usual this
winter because the gelding still had ticks at Christmas!!



Peggy/Illinois

May 2004


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Mineral Balancer/Hay causing Darker Heavier Manure?

lauramollrich <lmollrich@...>
 

My horse has been on a new hay-Timothy-that has a lower s/s ratio than the Teff he was getting.

He has been on the hay for the past 3 weeks and just started the minerals 2 weeks ago.

Lately, his manure color has changed and it has changed in form. He has always been very good in that department--good shade of green--but now it's darker, and comes out in a larger load. I am worried. Is this a sign of a problem?

Laura Mollrich
Laguna Beach, CA
1/2012


Re: Long Distance Haul - IR - Ulcergard? Dr. Kellon?

 

Thank you Dr. Kellon,
So I should get some for this 12 hour journey even if he will be getting soupy cubes? Do I get it from the vet? need a prescription? Where is the best place to get it?

All of you are so kind to help. I do so hope these are not too silly of questions.

Thank you so much.
Kim Lee, Malachi, and Mateo in NW PA
3/2010


The Ulcergard is fine for IR horses. It contains omeprazole and is FDA approved for the prevention of gastric ulcers. It suppresses acid production.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Long Distance Haul - IR - Ulcergard? Dr. Kellon?

 

Hi Laura,
We are planning on taking a container of water to wet more hay on the way down. I will be using Guardian cleaned shavings, a couple bags or so for a nice deep soft bedding. Is this okay? I also plan on picking manure a couple times because if they are home and in for bad weather I clean 2 -3 times a day anyway.

Do you mean a real peanut like for peanut butter? I did not know they like those. Should it be roasted?

Any more ideas? These are wonderful. Just trying to keep him safe and healthy.




High Insulin with normal blood sugar.

Sandra Smith-Reynolds
 

Hi,
I'm really needing some advice from someone with more experience. I have a Connemara Pony who has had Cushings diagnosed from 2005. She has a file with information from last year. I believe it is under Sandi's Ponies.
Cassie is now 29 yrs old. She had laminitis but seems to not have any foot issues at this time. She works 4-5 days a week, light work. She is ridden about 30-40 minutes 20 min walk 10-15 min trot and 4-5 min canter. In the winter this is mostly ring work. In summer we ride around our pastures as well as doing arena work. He teeth were done last week with no problems. Her blood work was drawn before the dental work. She is Her ACTH is 2.5 from the lab at Michigan State. She gets 1.5 mg Pergolide/ day. (capsules)

The problem is that the insulin came back at 906 pmoles/liter which converts to 127.6 uIU/ml if my calculations. Last year the result was 280 pmoles/liter which works out to 39.44 uIU/ml. My vet said the blood glucose was "normal" He is very concerned with these results but did not offer me a plan as to what we should do.
The blood was not drawn fasting in fact I took her away from her hay. she had been eating for about 45 min. Could she have just had an insulin spike? It ws her first meal of the day.

She eats 16-20# soaked hay / day in 4 meals. The sugar in the hay came back 6.1-6.5 (ESC + starch) so I have only soaked about 30 min to get it wet enough for her to be able to chew it. She chokes on dry hay. She also gets a mineral balancer which is split into 2 doses. She is a little under weight at 769# her ribs are easily palpated and she does not have much fat padding. She has been seeming a little less peppy than normal lately. Height is 14.0 hh

She gets 2 hays at about 1/2 each of her ration. They are both Orchard but from towns about 25 miles apart. She is fairly picky about her hay at the moment and will not touch beet pulp. She has a severe slobbering problem which she does not like and keeps her from wanting to eat many of the things other golden oldies like.
The protein in the hay this year was high 9.9 and 13.4% respectively. the iron is also high. Assuming that she eats what she is fed (20 #) the feed profile looks like this:
DE 17.7 Mcal
CP 1176 G
Ca 50 G
P 27G
Cu 349. mg
Zn 975. mg
Mn 1231. mg
Fe 1341. mg
Se 1.8 mg
the ADF & NDF are both a bit higher than I'd like but the other hay I have is even higher.

What might be driving her insulin so high? The vet talked about thyroid supplement but I don't see how that would help.

should we redraw the blood?

I'd appreciate any insight any of you experts might have.

Sandi & Cassie 2005


Re: Hay test results from Equi-Analytical

capnmrgn2000 <capnmrgn2000@...>
 

Worked that time! Looks like pretty serious alfalfa. Do you have a link to your case history? I also sent you a pm to get some more info.

CHeryl and Ollie
Newbury, MA
Jan. 2004
EC list support


Re: Copd and spring allergies

capnmrgn2000 <capnmrgn2000@...>
 

My question is regarding jiaogulan.

I saw in one of the posts that dr kellon suggested 2500 mg a day. How much is that?..I don't have a scale yet...and am about to order some from thriving pets...can anyone help? I am looking for tbsp type measurements plz.
Hi Melody,
Glad to hear he's doing well! As far as the jiaogulan weight - there are variations in density depending on where you get it. The J I currently have is from My Best Horse and 2500mg is ~ 1.5 teaspoons(I just checked :-). I used to buy it from Herbalcom and that was more dense - I would guess 1 teas. would have weighed 2500mg. I have not seen the jiaogulan from thriving pets so not sure what type Ian carries. Maybe they could help you out if you gave them a call?
Cheryl and Ollie
Newbwury, MA
Jan. 2004
EC list support


Copd and spring allergies

Bev <beevely@...>
 

Hii, my friends qh who had the choking episodes is doing very well since his teeth were floated by the dentist (thank u everyone for your advice)! My question now is he has copd and really struggles in the spring. You can hear him sometimes just standing in h is stall He has the best we can do for open barn, minimal shavings, lots of airflow, and not locked in although he loves to stand in the barn. I tried spiralina last year...didn't make a difference. He is on the same balanced diet as my mare Melody, so I know that part is good. My question is regarding jiaogulan.

I saw in one of the posts that dr kellon suggested 2500 mg a day. How much is that?..I don't have a scale yet...and am about to order some from thriving pets...can anyone help? I am looking for tbsp type measurements plz.

Thanks so much as always!
Bev and melody
CT 2007 I think


Re: Hay test results from Equi-Analytical

Erica
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "capnmrgn2000" <capnmrgn2000@...> wrote:

I can take a look if you'd like (though the link didn't work for me).
CHeryl and Ollie
Newbury, MA
Jan. 2004
EC list support

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