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Re: Muscle loss?

 

While many people don't believe split peas work, I tried it by giving Tucker 1/2 cup daily. After about a month, his back started to fill in. His spine that once was protruding, was no longer visible. Uckele told me that split peas is not the way to go, and had me purchase amino acids. I took him off of the split peas and used the amino acids and in 30 days, his topline started to diminish. I went back to giving him split peas and again, his topline became normal.
 
Since my last hay analysis, I was told the hay had plenty of protein for him so, he is not on the split peas and is doing well regarding his topline.

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10


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      Hi all,

I was wondering...

My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested].



Is this an indication of lack of protein or...?



Thank you,

sky

oregon 2009

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/





   
   

   
   






                         

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Feeding the EMS pony

lorrydog@btinternet.com
 

Hello- having had a pony recently diagnosed with Insulin resistance and just started on Metformin today, are there any suggestions which feed has been found not to raise the sugar level, and indeed which do- and thus avoid.
I am in the UK and currently the pony is on hay, chaff made from hay only and Fibrebeet.

Jules, london- UK


Laminitis Attack Or Pure Ignorance?

annettescherr@ymail.com
 

I feel like a stupid idiot. I have been trying to keep my horse trimmed between farrier visits to keep him in correct alignment. Well instead of helping, I hurt. I totally crippled my horse. I noticed him walking funny on the hind end about 5 days ago and I though "Oh no! not a laminitis attack on the hind feet." When the trimmer arrived last Saturday she just shook her head and sighed. I had not trimmed the sole at all and it was projecting above the plane of the wall. I thought it was the coffin bone sticking through so I was afraid to cut it off. My farrier went to town scooping out the sole so that it was concave, not convex. Sparky was hesitant to walk at first but then when he realized the painful projection had been removed, he just walked off normally as if never lame. I almost caused laminitis on the compensating front hooves. Needless to say, I learned my lesson: No more unguided trimming attempts. I will no longer "practice" learning how to trim on my horse. I think I will enroll in some sort of school.

Annette Scherr & Sparky(IR not PPID) Mustang
Member since Jan 2011
Southern California
ascherr@...
annettescherr@...
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Sparky/
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjvUiGq3


Need help with diagnosis

Ed & Valletta Lochridge <lochfam@...>
 

I've been holding off posting this question in hopes that I could learn the answer myself, but I'm finding that I'm still confused and need help.  I originally joined the group to help my 23 year-old gelding, Roscoe, who was diagnosed as "early Cushing's" by my vet last July.  At the time, not having any experience with EC, I trusted my vet to do the testing needed.  Roscoe was at the hospital having melanomas removed and his initial blood pull was done that same day after the surgery.  I now understand that not only was the DST risky, but that it was done under extremely stressful conditions which, I'm guessing, could also effect those results.  The pre-dex result was 7.4ug/dL (normal 1-3ug/dL).  The post-dex result was 1.4 ug/dL (no normal value given).  This January, Roscoe's ACTH was done by Cornell and the result was 14.3pg/mL (normal 9-35).  Roscoe also showed compensated IR (G:I = 4.67).  His clinical signs are a slow-to-shed winter coat,
loss of topline and hypothyroid.  No known history of laminitis.


My question (finally!):  I'm hoping that someone can clear up whether or not Roscoe indeed is positive for EC.  I am feeding and supplementing as if he is positive with the exception of the 1/2 flake of alfalfa that he gets.  (it is becoming increasingly hard to maintain his weight).  I would be very grateful for any insight into what's going on with him.  Other lab values are included in his history.


http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Valletta%20and%20Roscoe/


Thank you in advance - you all have helped me so much - what a great and knowledgeable support system!!

Valletta with Roscoe and Dot in CA
Jan 2012


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Re: 30 year old horse just doagnosed

Kimberly White
 

Megan,

First off welcome!  I congratulate you for adopting a 30 year old, I to adopted and old one three years ago this coming May, my guy turned 30 this year.  Hard to believe I've had him for 3 years now.  My old man isn't IR, Cushings or anything right now (with the exception of being deaf) and I pray that it stays this way.  Several of my horses have issues shall I say.  I've got and IR/Cushings TWH who is 16 years old, a Clydesdale who is 12 years old with PSSM.  Mandy is correct when she says there is sooo much information it can be overwhelming in the beginning.  Just take it one step at a time and you and your horse will get through this.  Six months from now, you will look back and maybe even smile a bit as by then you and your horse will be well on your way to doing what is necessary and you may even realize that its not as difficult as you thought it would be.  Please do keep the list posted on yours and your horses progress.     
 
Blessings,
Kim

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Easyboot RX

psalm23grl <joyful.heart.18@...>
 

Hi there!

I am fairly new to this group and have not done a case history for my horse yet. I will be doing this as soon as possible. I have a 13 year old Fjord horse mare who is perfect weight and does not have a long coat. She has been diagnosed with Cushing's by the vet. The only symptoms she has is reoccurring laminitis, fat pockets over her eyes, and warm feet.

We have tried shoes with frog support pads on her and are currently testing our hay. The shoes and pads did not do a whole lot, though she was a bit more comfortable than she was barefoot. She is now in a four week "cast" type of boot that the farrier applied. We are looking into getting Easyboot RX boots and I was wondering if anyone could offer any opinions on them. Have they worked for anyone? Did you leave them on full time, and for how long? Any information regarding these boots would be much appreciated. :) Also, what pads did you use and for what reason?

I hope that I have posted this properly. :) Thank you very much.


Re: Hay Testing - Peggy

covicp
 

Hi Bonnie,
I think there is some confusion about the message. I was talking about finding MagOx here in town. Debora was asking the dosage needed for the MagOx.
I emailed her as to where I found the MagOx because I didn't think the group would benefit because you need to be in this area of Montana to take advantage of it.

Sorry for the confusion
Peggy
Nowee, Oreo RIP 6/2011
Montana
Nov 2010
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/Peggy_Montana/

--- In EquineCushings@..., Bonnie Eddy <bonnieeddy@...> wrote:


Hi
Has there been an answer to this post about how much Quiessence to feed?
Bonnie
SoCal
2/12


Re: Muscle loss?

Bonnie Eddy
 

Hi
Loss of topline could also be a result of a poorly fitting saddle. My horse had atrophy all along her topline that was due to treed saddles hurting her. Went to treeless and her whole topline filled in greatly.
Just another possibility.
Bonnie from SoCal
2/2012

To: EquineCushings@...
From: skydove103@...
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:52:57 +0000
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Hi all,

I was wondering...

My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested].



Is this an indication of lack of protein or...?



Thank you,

sky

oregon 2009

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/


















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Re: IR/COPD horse. MSM discontinue? Jiaogulan?

Nancy C
 

Hi Leela

MSM may interfere with copper.

Along with mineral balancing, the jherb and spirulina are good choices for breathing issues.

There is a COPD yahoo group that Dr Kellon has previously recommended and I think monitors

<http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/COPD_HEAVES/>

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...

--- In EquineCushings@..., "pintogdss" <leela@...> wrote:

After reading the archives I see that MSM is not recommended for the IR horse due to it interfering with copper absorption? He also has COPD/Heaves. Would Jiaogulan be a better choice? I am going to start him back on Spirulina soon.


Muscle loss?

skyappy95
 

Hi all,
I was wondering...
My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested].

Is this an indication of lack of protein or...?

Thank you,
sky
oregon 2009
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/


Re: Desperate for Feed Suggestions

skyappy95
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "aday0317" <aday0317@...> wrote:

I have a 22yr old Thoroughbred who has been diagnosed with cushings for about 6 months. We recently moved to a new farm where he is getting less than ideal hay and grass and is getting roughly 4 quarts of Purina Strategy a day and 1mg of Pergolide. I have noticed that he has lost a significant amount of weight and prior to our move he was maintaining weight with no problem. He was just wormed with Quest Plus. I would love to hear what has worked for other people as I am very concerned about his health.


Re: Heavy Coat Causes

merlin5clougher <janieclougher@...>
 

Hi, Linda -

I remember the file you are thinking of, and I can't find it either - dang! There is one file mentioning artificial day length as an unusual cause of hair coat issues. It is in the Cushings-PPID folder, at the bottom of the list:

http://tinyurl.com/ykrzoca

Took a quick flip through the messages, and came up with parasitism, hypothyroid, and mineral imbalances, as well as Cushings.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Jaini,Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC09
EC moderator


I just spent two hours looking for posts about other-than-cushings causes for a heavy hair coat--no luck. Also didn't find it in the several groups' Table of Contents. Could someone point me in the right direction, please?

Vet is coming today but will come back if I can figure out what to test for besides cushings/ir, hypothyroidism and parasites.

Thanks all.

Linda in NC-2002


Re: My rehab photo album

Nancy C
 

Great job Rose! Really nice. Would love to hear more about it on ECHoof.


<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHoof/>

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Rose" <potter9228@...> wrote:

I posted pictures in the album A. Cedar of the mini horse I rehabed last summer.

Rose
Oregon 2012

Link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/1690382165/pic/list


Re: Poulin Carb Safe info 2012

Nancy C
 

Hi Willow

Thanks for checking on this. Now if we can just get them to stop dding the manganese!

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...

--- In EquineCushings@..., "wpsmart" <wpsmart@...> wrote:

I just got off phone with them and although no Fe is added, the Carb Safe level of Fe is at 455 ppm and Mn is 110 ppm.


Re: My rehab photo album

merlin5clougher <janieclougher@...>
 

Thanks so much, Rose, for posting those pictures (and for saving Cedar!) It illustrates a super-important issue: proper trim can have immediate positive results. The difference in the pony's posture before the trim (when the poor little guy looked to be curled up like a hedgehog), and two days after the trim, tell the whole story. The

The diet changes, plus your meticulous trimming going forward, have produced a result that is inspirational for us all. Lucky Cedar!

Jaini,Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC09
EC Support


--- In EquineCushings@..., "Rose" <potter9228@> wrote:

I posted pictures in the album A. Cedar of the mini horse I rehabed last summer.

Rose
Oregon 2012

Link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/1690382165/pic/list


Re: My rehab photo album

Cindy McGinley
 

What a beautiful pony, and what a fantastic job getting him rehabbed! The change is dramatic. Thank you for being so caring.

- Cindy & Alf (with entourage) in Central NY
ECIR Support
May 2006
www.blackhorseconsulting.com


Visit the Equine Cushings/IR site:
http://www.ecirhorse.com


Re: My rehab photo album

Chanda
 

Wow, what an improvement and a fairly quick one at that. I'm sure he's still recovering, but such an improvement.
Chanda
MT 9/04

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Rose" <potter9228@...> wrote:

I posted pictures in the album A. Cedar of the mini horse I rehabed last summer.

Rose
Oregon 2012

Link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/1690382165/pic/list


Re: My rehab photo album

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Whoa! Beautiful job - and what a heart stopping situation. LOVE the toe trim.

We really need to move this to ECHoof for any additional comments, but yes, this is the way to do it!

Hope there will be followup x-rays at some point to see how much of the sinking has resolved.

And I think I want that pony.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Pergolide question

Marianne Herzberger
 

Thanks Nancy, this ( and your previous reply) has been really helpful!
Marianne | The Netherlands | EC 2011
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Marianne/

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Nancy" <threecatfarm@...> wrote:


Should have also included that APF is recommended to help through the pergolide veil.

www.auburnlabs.com

More info at www.ecirhorse.com. Under the pergolide tab.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...


IR/COPD horse. MSM discontinue? Jiaogulan?

pintogdss <leela@...>
 

After reading the archives I see that MSM is not recommended for the IR horse due to it interfering with copper absorption? He also has COPD/Heaves. Would Jiaogulan be a better choice? I am going to start him back on Spirulina soon.

Thank you!

Leela & Shadow
Kindred Hill Farm, NH
Feb 2012

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