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Re: Muscle loss?
While many people don't believe split peas work, I tried it by giving Tucker 1/2 cup daily. After about a month, his back started to fill in. His spine that once was protruding, was no longer visible. Uckele told me that split peas is not the way to go, and had me purchase amino acids. I took him off of the split peas and used the amino acids and in 30 days, his topline started to diminish. I went back to giving him split peas and again, his topline became normal.
 Since my last hay analysis, I was told the hay had plenty of protein for him so, he is not on the split peas and is doing well regarding his topline. Cynthia Boriskin from CA Tucker 10/10 ________________________________                        Hi all, I was wondering... My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested]. Is this an indication of lack of protein or...? Thank you, sky oregon 2009 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/                           [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ***PLEASE BE SURE TO REMOVE UNNECESSARY DUPLICATED MATERIAL FROM THE MESSAGE YOU ARE REPLYING TO BEFORE YOU HIT SEND -- ONLY LEAVE ENOUGH SO YOUR REPLY IS UNDERSTOOD*** Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/messages/?expand=1 All posts copyrighted the year posted, all rights reserved to the author of the post and list owner. Posts may NOT be copied or intellectual property used elsewhere without written permission of the author and/or list owner. Post message: EquineCushings@... Subscribe: EquineCushings-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: EquineCushings-unsubscribe@... List owner: EquineCushings-owner@... Off Topic but horse discussion list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHorsekeeping/   Hoof related sister list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHoof/ Case History list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory3/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Feeding the EMS pony
lorrydog@btinternet.com
Hello- having had a pony recently diagnosed with Insulin resistance and just started on Metformin today, are there any suggestions which feed has been found not to raise the sugar level, and indeed which do- and thus avoid.
I am in the UK and currently the pony is on hay, chaff made from hay only and Fibrebeet. Jules, london- UK
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Laminitis Attack Or Pure Ignorance?
annettescherr@ymail.com
I feel like a stupid idiot. I have been trying to keep my horse trimmed between farrier visits to keep him in correct alignment. Well instead of helping, I hurt. I totally crippled my horse. I noticed him walking funny on the hind end about 5 days ago and I though "Oh no! not a laminitis attack on the hind feet." When the trimmer arrived last Saturday she just shook her head and sighed. I had not trimmed the sole at all and it was projecting above the plane of the wall. I thought it was the coffin bone sticking through so I was afraid to cut it off. My farrier went to town scooping out the sole so that it was concave, not convex. Sparky was hesitant to walk at first but then when he realized the painful projection had been removed, he just walked off normally as if never lame. I almost caused laminitis on the compensating front hooves. Needless to say, I learned my lesson: No more unguided trimming attempts. I will no longer "practice" learning how to trim on my horse. I think I will enroll in some sort of school.
Annette Scherr & Sparky(IR not PPID) Mustang Member since Jan 2011 Southern California ascherr@... annettescherr@... http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Sparky/ http://flic.kr/s/aHsjvUiGq3
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Need help with diagnosis
Ed & Valletta Lochridge <lochfam@...>
I've been holding off posting this question in hopes that I could learn the answer myself, but I'm finding that I'm still confused and need help. I originally joined the group to help my 23 year-old gelding, Roscoe, who was diagnosed as "early Cushing's" by my vet last July. At the time, not having any experience with EC, I trusted my vet to do the testing needed. Roscoe was at the hospital having melanomas removed and his initial blood pull was done that same day after the surgery. I now understand that not only was the DST risky, but that it was done under extremely stressful conditions which, I'm guessing, could also effect those results. The pre-dex result was 7.4ug/dL (normal 1-3ug/dL). The post-dex result was 1.4 ug/dL (no normal value given). This January, Roscoe's ACTH was done by Cornell and the result was 14.3pg/mL (normal 9-35). Roscoe also showed compensated IR (G:I = 4.67). His clinical signs are a slow-to-shed winter coat,
loss of topline and hypothyroid. No known history of laminitis. My question (finally!): I'm hoping that someone can clear up whether or not Roscoe indeed is positive for EC. I am feeding and supplementing as if he is positive with the exception of the 1/2 flake of alfalfa that he gets. (it is becoming increasingly hard to maintain his weight). I would be very grateful for any insight into what's going on with him. Other lab values are included in his history. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Valletta%20and%20Roscoe/ Thank you in advance - you all have helped me so much - what a great and knowledgeable support system!! Valletta with Roscoe and Dot in CA Jan 2012 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: 30 year old horse just doagnosed
Kimberly White
Megan,
First off welcome!  I congratulate you for adopting a 30 year old, I to adopted and old one three years ago this coming May, my guy turned 30 this year.  Hard to believe I've had him for 3 years now.  My old man isn't IR, Cushings or anything right now (with the exception of being deaf) and I pray that it stays this way.  Several of my horses have issues shall I say.  I've got and IR/Cushings TWH who is 16 years old, a Clydesdale who is 12 years old with PSSM.  Mandy is correct when she says there is sooo much information it can be overwhelming in the beginning.  Just take it one step at a time and you and your horse will get through this.  Six months from now, you will look back and maybe even smile a bit as by then you and your horse will be well on your way to doing what is necessary and you may even realize that its not as difficult as you thought it would be.  Please do keep the list posted on yours and your horses progress.     Blessings, Kim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Easyboot RX
psalm23grl <joyful.heart.18@...>
Hi there!
I am fairly new to this group and have not done a case history for my horse yet. I will be doing this as soon as possible. I have a 13 year old Fjord horse mare who is perfect weight and does not have a long coat. She has been diagnosed with Cushing's by the vet. The only symptoms she has is reoccurring laminitis, fat pockets over her eyes, and warm feet. We have tried shoes with frog support pads on her and are currently testing our hay. The shoes and pads did not do a whole lot, though she was a bit more comfortable than she was barefoot. She is now in a four week "cast" type of boot that the farrier applied. We are looking into getting Easyboot RX boots and I was wondering if anyone could offer any opinions on them. Have they worked for anyone? Did you leave them on full time, and for how long? Any information regarding these boots would be much appreciated. :) Also, what pads did you use and for what reason? I hope that I have posted this properly. :) Thank you very much.
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Re: Hay Testing - Peggy
covicp
Hi Bonnie,
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I think there is some confusion about the message. I was talking about finding MagOx here in town. Debora was asking the dosage needed for the MagOx. I emailed her as to where I found the MagOx because I didn't think the group would benefit because you need to be in this area of Montana to take advantage of it. Sorry for the confusion Peggy Nowee, Oreo RIP 6/2011 Montana Nov 2010 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/Peggy_Montana/
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Re: Muscle loss?
Bonnie Eddy
Hi
Loss of topline could also be a result of a poorly fitting saddle. My horse had atrophy all along her topline that was due to treed saddles hurting her. Went to treeless and her whole topline filled in greatly. Just another possibility. Bonnie from SoCal 2/2012 To: EquineCushings@... From: skydove103@... Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:52:57 +0000 Subject: [EquineCushings] Muscle loss? Hi all, I was wondering... My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested]. Is this an indication of lack of protein or...? Thank you, sky oregon 2009 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: IR/COPD horse. MSM discontinue? Jiaogulan?
Hi Leela
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MSM may interfere with copper. Along with mineral balancing, the jherb and spirulina are good choices for breathing issues. There is a COPD yahoo group that Dr Kellon has previously recommended and I think monitors <http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/COPD_HEAVES/> Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 NewEnglandEquineBalance@...
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Muscle loss?
skyappy95
Hi all,
I was wondering... My horse has lost the muscling along her topline & does not have PPID [just tested]. Is this an indication of lack of protein or...? Thank you, sky oregon 2009 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/
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Re: Desperate for Feed Suggestions
skyappy95
Have you tried beet pulp?
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sky oregon 2009 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/CopperTop-%20Oregon/
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Re: Heavy Coat Causes
merlin5clougher <janieclougher@...>
Hi, Linda -
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I remember the file you are thinking of, and I can't find it either - dang! There is one file mentioning artificial day length as an unusual cause of hair coat issues. It is in the Cushings-PPID folder, at the bottom of the list: http://tinyurl.com/ykrzoca Took a quick flip through the messages, and came up with parasitism, hypothyroid, and mineral imbalances, as well as Cushings. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Jaini,Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy BC09 EC moderator
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Re: My rehab photo album
Great job Rose! Really nice. Would love to hear more about it on ECHoof.
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Re: Poulin Carb Safe info 2012
Hi Willow
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Thanks for checking on this. Now if we can just get them to stop dding the manganese! Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 NewEnglandEquineBalance@...
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I just got off phone with them and although no Fe is added, the Carb Safe level of Fe is at 455 ppm and Mn is 110 ppm.
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Re: My rehab photo album
merlin5clougher <janieclougher@...>
Thanks so much, Rose, for posting those pictures (and for saving Cedar!) It illustrates a super-important issue: proper trim can have immediate positive results. The difference in the pony's posture before the trim (when the poor little guy looked to be curled up like a hedgehog), and two days after the trim, tell the whole story. The
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The diet changes, plus your meticulous trimming going forward, have produced a result that is inspirational for us all. Lucky Cedar! Jaini,Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy BC09 EC Support
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Re: My rehab photo album
Cindy McGinley
What a beautiful pony, and what a fantastic job getting him rehabbed! The change is dramatic. Thank you for being so caring.
- Cindy & Alf (with entourage) in Central NY ECIR Support May 2006 www.blackhorseconsulting.com Visit the Equine Cushings/IR site: http://www.ecirhorse.com
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Re: My rehab photo album
Chanda
Wow, what an improvement and a fairly quick one at that. I'm sure he's still recovering, but such an improvement.
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Re: My rehab photo album
Linda <PapBallou@...>
Whoa! Beautiful job - and what a heart stopping situation. LOVE the toe trim.
We really need to move this to ECHoof for any additional comments, but yes, this is the way to do it! Hope there will be followup x-rays at some point to see how much of the sinking has resolved. And I think I want that pony. Linda EC Primary Response West Coast May 2004
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Re: Pergolide question
Marianne Herzberger
Thanks Nancy, this ( and your previous reply) has been really helpful!
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Marianne | The Netherlands | EC 2011 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Marianne/
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IR/COPD horse. MSM discontinue? Jiaogulan?
pintogdss <leela@...>
After reading the archives I see that MSM is not recommended for the IR horse due to it interfering with copper absorption? He also has COPD/Heaves. Would Jiaogulan be a better choice? I am going to start him back on Spirulina soon.
Thank you! Leela & Shadow Kindred Hill Farm, NH Feb 2012
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