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Summer Hair Growth

Lynn <lynngs@...>
 

I have an appt. with the vet for my mare. She is scheduled to be tested ACTH and Thyroid. The vet called and said I need to bring her in for a full day, so that she can test her for T3 and T4 several hours apart. Is this correct? I thought she could have hay before the test. Can she eat hay and have water before the tests? What are the tests I should ask for?


Re: Shedding out problem - thyroid?

ibhite
 

Does this mean I can use Equimax for my cushings/IR horse or did I miss something in an earlier conversation? I have had a lot of trouble finding TapeCare these days and had used Equimax before I found this list. Isabella in Virginia, joined August 08,

--- In EquineCushings@..., "drkellon" <drkellon@...> wrote:

Another issue that can cause delayed shedding is parasitism. Address this possibility by deworming first with an ivermectin/praziquantel combination, then 3 weeks later with plain ivermectin and again with plain ivermectin in another 3 weeks. This should remove all small strongyles and prevent them from reaching egg-laying stages to keep the problem going.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Which testing needed from Cornell?

trailridegal54 <dreammaker@...>
 

No wonder I'm confused!
I have all the special handling instructions printed out and have gone over them with my vet. He 'tried' to tell me that with the lavender topped tube, there were no special instructions. Then I handed him the paper to let him know that it needed to be spun, separated and frozen. He seemed okay with that and let me know that anyone in the office can do that for me.

Thanks for all the help. I'll be sure to report the results when they come in. This is our first ACTH test.

Peggy
Illinois
2005
Lacey
PJ
Jewel aka Goofy Girl

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:

Make that pathology...

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Calcium supp levels in bone loss

Marie Milliman
 

Ok, Ok,

I should read files before posting! Gastro Guard and Prilosec are the same thing, good thinkin einstien(me). so, with the this revelation, with Ulcers as a concern, and bone loss(necrosis of P3) how can I help her nutritionally? And her last RISQUI score was Normal, no IR, at least there is one YEA.

Thanks to everyone,

Marie and Caillou

--- In EquineCushings@..., "MarieM" <caillou@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Hope all ponies are happy(forget about the owners!).

I was curious as to reccomended levels of supplementation for a 22 yr. horse (Caillou of course), with confirmed bone density loss? I have bumped her up to 200% NRC for Calcium, and am balancing my Phosphorous and Magnesium for that, is that OK? Also, what is the max for magnesium supplementation for a 1,000 lb. horse? To balance for 36 Grams of Calcium, for magnesium to be 1.5/1 it would need to be 24 Grams of magnesium. Is that OK?

Also, with the info. regarding Prilosec and bone loss, would Ranitadine, or Gastro Guard apply?

Caillou was diagnosed with density and bone loss in her last digi xrays. Am going forward with maggot and Lower Limb Perfusion. Any suggestions of attributing factors for success?

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Marie
Dec 2007
So Cal


Calcium supp levels in bone loss

Marie Milliman
 

Hi all,

Hope all ponies are happy(forget about the owners!).

I was curious as to reccomended levels of supplementation for a 22 yr. horse (Caillou of course), with confirmed bone density loss? I have bumped her up to 200% NRC for Calcium, and am balancing my Phosphorous and Magnesium for that, is that OK? Also, what is the max for magnesium supplementation for a 1,000 lb. horse? To balance for 36 Grams of Calcium, for magnesium to be 1.5/1 it would need to be 24 Grams of magnesium. Is that OK?

Also, with the info. regarding Prilosec and bone loss, would Ranitadine, or Gastro Guard apply?

Caillou was diagnosed with density and bone loss in her last digi xrays. Am going forward with maggot and Lower Limb Perfusion. Any suggestions of attributing factors for success?

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Marie
Dec 2007
So Cal


Re: previcox

bigthuddy@...
 

When I have used it, I just chuck it their food. They  eat it right up.  Good luck   Jen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean" <brucezajac@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2010 4:32:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: previcox

 




Hi Karen
Thanks. Have you always used it as needed, or was she on it daily in the beginning? Have you ever tried it in her food?
Jean CT
2005




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Re: previcox

Jean
 

Hi Karen
Thanks. Have you always used it as needed, or was she on it daily in the beginning? Have you ever tried it in her food?
Jean CT
2005


Re: WAS: Decisions - Rafiq NOW - IR, glycemic spike and how to get started

Nancy C
 

Hi Sybylle

Your point about some hays grown under some conditions and being low in sugar is well taken. Last year we had tons of rain in the northeast so our hays are all pretty much below 10% in Sugar and Starch. It would be similar to cloudy conditions you had which would allow for slower drying time and lower sugar in the end product. This year, with much less rain so far in the growing season it might prove to be very different come testing time.

Totally agree with the idea that knowledge is power and along with diagnosis, hay testing is the first step.

Let me give another plug, this time for ECHorsekeeping where the diet balancing and nutritional details of non-IR/Cushing's guys is discussed by a great group of knowledgeable and friendly folks!

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHorsekeeping/>

Nancy C in NH
February 2003
Moderator

Visit our new site:
http://www.ecirhorse.com/

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Sibylle" <swaruszcak@...> wrote:

Nancy,
you are right of course. I should have pointed out that a diagnosed or even suspected IR horse should not get even 1pd. of grain at one time.


Re: Gastric Ulcers - info also in FILES section

Nancy C
 

You are forgiven Randi!

Also wanted to point folks to the files if you haven't already been there. Dr Kellon wrote an update on Ulcer treatments this spring. You can find it here (ULCER folder).

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/Ulcers/>


First .pdf in the folder is

TREATMENT OPTIONS FOR GASTRIC ULCERS.pdf
Effectiveness and dosages of various treatments written by Dr Kellon


Nancy C in NH
February 2003
Moderator

Visit our new site:
http://www.ecirhorse.com/

--- In EquineCushings@..., "litewriterrs" <litewriterrs@...> wrote:

Ack! Sorry about the lack of signature -- appended below.


WAS: A Few Quandries concerning Rafiq NOW: Iron and Mn in water

Nancy C
 

Good point Linda. The color could also be high Manganese which complicates an iron overload issue, if any and as I know you know <g>, needs to be addressed through diet balance.

If not from iron or Manganese, the color could be from the hose being used.

Nancy C in NH
February 2003
Moderator

Visit our new site:
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--- In EquineCushings@..., "PCFarm" <pecciefarm@...> wrote:


Your Case History does not show
iron testing for Rafiq. Have you had the water tested?

SNIP>No matter how much I have cleaned it, the water comes out
rust-colored.


Vit E deal

jgpigger
 

Hi Everyone
If anyone is looking for a pretty good price on Vit E, Puritans Pride has an online sale.
I just purchased 1000 gel caps for 45.98 that will supply my 7 horses for 71 days.
But you have to order online to get the savings. Thought I'd share. Candy 2010 michigan


Re: previcox

Karen <karen@...>
 

Hi Jean,
I have a supple of Previcox on hand if Tilly needs it. I buy from Thriving Pets.com. I buy the 227 mg pills and cut them into quarters. I put it in a 3cc syringe with a tiny bit of water and syrine it in.
Karen,
Princess Tilly, Tommi and Koko
Bend,Ore 3-2005


For those of you using Previcox for arthritis pain, are you dosing 1 pill (57 mg) per day? How are you administering it? Right in their feed? Syringe? >


Re: Which testing needed from Cornell?

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Make that pathology...


Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Which testing needed from Cornell?

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

So, my question is, when looking at the list of testing options for Cornell,there is an ACTH/Insulin but it doesn't list glucose.
What is confusing is that glucose is listed in the chemistry section.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Which testing needed from Cornell?

Linda Rollins <lindarollins38@...>
 

So, my question is, when looking at the list of testing options for Cornell,there is an ACTH/Insulin but it doesn't list glucose.

I do believe it's listed further down as an insulin/glucose test.

Hi Lacey,
I went through the files and web site. It is all int here!
You want an ACTH, insulin & glucose. DO NOT DO THE DEX SUPRESSION TEST!! The ACTH and Insulin are from the same draw, and are put into a chilled lavender-topped tube. The glucose goes into a red-topped tube. Here is what you are looking for. It is on the ECIR Horse web site:
http :// www . ecirhorse .com/index. php /diagnosis

Be sure to follow the guidelines regarding feeding pre-testing: free choice hay, quiet barn, AND the instructions on how to handle the samples once you have them. Mis-handling can cause incorrect results, so be very careful with the blood!

Be sure to post the results as soon as you get them, and we will help you from that point forward.
Linda

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EC List Support Team/Moderator
Linda in MA, Peanut in CT - 09.07



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Which testing needed from Cornell?

Peggy <dreammaker@...>
 

I have consulted with my vet, who agrees that my gelding, PJ, appears to be
possible Cushing's.

He said something about the crest on the neck as well as the long hair made
him suspect Cushing's.

I thought the crest on the neck was mainly IR. Am I correct in this? I know
my vet has very little experience with either condition and has told me so.

Being as I live so far from the clinic, my vet taught me how to do the blood
draw and gave me everything to do so.

I plan to do that come Monday morning.



So, my question is, when looking at the list of testing options for Cornell,
there is an ACTH/Insulin but it doesn't list glucose.

I do believe it's listed further down as an insulin/glucose test.



My next question is, do I need a separate blood draw for that or can it all
be done on the same blood sample that I send in?

I'm sure all of this information is in the files somewhere. I just don't
have the time it takes to explore the site to find it.



Thanks

Peggy in Illinois

Lurking on here since around 2005

Lacey (IR)

PJ (possible Cushing's)


Re: Gastric Ulcers

litewriterrs
 

Ack! Sorry about the lack of signature -- appended below.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "litewriterrs" <litewriterrs@...> wrote:

My 24 YO TB apparently suffered from them most of his life.
Randi (and Paulie)
Wyoming
2/2010


Re: A Few Quandries concerning Rafiq as summer closes in...

Linda Peccie
 

Shannon, I can't believe nobody jumped on this--maybe I just can't remember
previous posts re the possibility of iron in your water. But your sentence
(below) gives me the willies... If it is iron, no wonder Rafiq is not
blooming as he should! (I have iron overload/hemochromatosis myself and I
know what kind of damage o'load can do, including bone spurs in my neck.)
Your Case History does not show
iron testing for Rafiq. Have you had the water tested? Not too expensive,
might even
be free through your county extension office or water quality department.
Would your barn owner
consider installing a filter/softener?

Linda in NC-2002

SNIP>No matter how much I have cleaned it, the water comes out
rust-colored.


Re: Gastric Ulcers

litewriterrs
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Allnotwell" <okayfine87@...> wrote:

My 20 yr old pony has been diagnosed with them and he is on sucralfate and gastrogard but if I run late with the sucralfate, he acts colicky and looks at his left side again.
My 24 YO TB apparently suffered from them most of his life. I've always fed beet pulp, and when he came to me 2 years ago, he ignored the feed that came with him and wanted just the beet pulp. Then, I read that the pectin in the beet pulp can help with ulcers. I'd never thought about it much, but one of the symptoms was being 'girthy' -- and he was extremely so, too well-mannered to bite me, but would bite at his own chest when I was grooming him, or saddling him. So I increased him to the recommended 2 - 2.5 pounds/day (dry weight), and after maybe a month, he had calmed down considerably!

Now, he has been diagnosed as IR, so I'm having to wash the beet pulp until I can find some w/o the molasses (probably have to wait until the fall when they harvest them around here), but he still enjoys it without the extra sweet. And although he has a couple of tender spots where he turns and looks at me, he's so obviously not really bothered anymore. It was an easy fix for me -- worth a try?


previcox

Jean
 

For those of you using Previcox for arthritis pain, are you dosing 1 pill (57 mg) per day? How are you administering it? Right in their feed? Syringe? It it more palitable than bute? Where are you getting it?
Thanks,
Jean and Lady in CT
2005

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