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Re: Tim balance cube problem

bonzomountainmusic
 

hi all,
we have been using the cubes for years now. in the winter we use a bag a day. we have 14 equines and all get some for their supplements while our 2 older guys live on it (32 yr old horse and 26 yr old donkey). we buy them by the pallet and sell them at our store. (lori's natural foods in rochester, ny. i think it was added to your resource list) twice in the last year or so we have sent back most of a pallet. both times the cubes were extremely hard and would not soften when soaked. the distributor questioned us at first but when they looked at how much we buy they decided we knew what we were talking about. the only contaminants we have found are the pieces of baling twine but i did want to point out that the quality control issues have not been cleared up since 2007, the last ones we sent back were about 2-3 months ago.

Lori and Sunny
Springwater, NY 8/2005
http://www.sportshorses.com/cases/bonzomountainmusic.Sunny.htm


Re: Neurological symptoms in Cushings gelding?

J Amick
 

What you are describing I have seen with my gelding that is Cushings, but I had not recognized the lyme disease.
Have any of you that have seen this tested for lyme? You need to be careful as EPM symptoms carefully paralle the symptoms of lyme disease. It depends on how full blown the lyme is. In my case, Es was totally overloaded for his immune system and he couldn't even balance on 3 legs for a trim.
Judy-PA
> Now I am seeing him stagger badly after shaking, really wobbly >legged and last night he rolled and almost fell while getting up.

I've seen this in one of my horses when he had severe front foot pain.Is there any chance of that?So much weight was taken on the hind end in order to save the sore front feet,that the hind end also got into trouble.
Also I've seen it in an older horse with hip/hock pain.

Just wondering.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Clogs/hoof casts

Carolyn Larson
 

Kathy, I can only speak to the casts, not the clogs. Blue wore casts over a backward shoe to help get some sole. His were paper thin. They did make him more comfortable, and he did gain a bit more sole, but because his heels grew so fast, I will add that taking them off to trim every two to three weeks was a royal pain. Nonetheless, I do feel they got him very much on the right track to where he is now, which is a horse who is walking well in boots.

To me, once a horse is properly trimmed and comfortable, the boots are far easier than casts, but the casts give wonderful support 'til you get to that point. Mandy Woods taught me how to Dremel them off. PM me if you want some help on that aspect. As for the clogs? I'd check on Pete Ramey's site among other places for some thoughts on them.

Carol and Blue in Maine
EC Moderator
Nov. 2005

At 02:32 AM 9/9/2009, you wrote:


I recently had my trimmer put fiberglass casts on my boy's hooves. The casts are to keep wooden "clogs" on him. Are these the equicasts I've just heard about? Anyone have experience with them? They seem to help my boy walk, and they sure are nicer for me as I don't have to clean and change the boots everyday. So far the boots have been on for three days. I would appreciate feedback. If this belongs in the other group (EC Photos), my apologies for going OT.

Kathy, Kasha, Faisal
SoCal
2003


when to retest after increasing pergolide dosage?

arak331 <arak331@...>
 

Subject line was "insulin level increased dramatically!"

After going over Aunt Farah's test results and hearing was Dr Kellon has
advised, my vet is calling in a script (to Harvard Park Pharmacy / Pet
Vet Solutions) for 0.25 mg pergolide. Dr K advised, "0.25 would give
you the most flexibility. See what your vet says, but I'd try 0.25
increase for 3 days and if that is tolerated, add another for a total of
0.5 increase."

After I increase her dosage, when would be the time to retest her ACTH /
insulin? The vet suggests in about two months, but I want to get an
expert (no joke intended) opinion, please.

Namaste,
em / April 2004

History is posted at
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/files/Ellen%20McCutcheon/
<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/files/Ellen%20McCutcheon/\;


Re: Clogs/hoof casts

Missy Libby
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "grayarabiankasha" <kvshopping@...> wrote:

I recently had my trimmer put fiberglass casts on my boy's hooves. The casts are to keep wooden "clogs" on him.
We went the clog route. It was very expensive, short lived disaster but I was desperate for a way to help my badly foundered mare. Heels should be trimmed a minimum of every 2 weeks. Clogs were set for 6 weeks (at $400-500 reset) and with wedges by a "clog specialist". Come to find out, he didn't know dog squat. Wedges and no access to heels for 6 weeks was a huge mistake in our case. Some have success with the clogs. We didn't but hope they work for you.
Missy and Abby in Maine
Nov 2008


Clogs/hoof casts

grayarabiankasha <kvshopping@...>
 

I recently had my trimmer put fiberglass casts on my boy's hooves. The casts are to keep wooden "clogs" on him. Are these the equicasts I've just heard about? Anyone have experience with them? They seem to help my boy walk, and they sure are nicer for me as I don't have to clean and change the boots everyday. So far the boots have been on for three days. I would appreciate feedback. If this belongs in the other group (EC Photos), my apologies for going OT.

Kathy, Kasha, Faisal
SoCal
2003


Re: Feeding Question

applegatestables
 

No actually; I talked to the technician only. I will call first thing in the morning and let them know not to do the Dex test and only do one blood draw to check thyroid, insulin and glucose levels.
 
Thanks for everyone's help!
Beth
MN 9/09

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, briarskingstonnet <briars@...> wrote:


From: briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Feeding Question
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:24 PM


 



She did say that they do a blood draw at 5pm and then again at 1pm >the next day.
Beth,there should only be one draw.On one day,I mean.
Did you ask what tests the vet was thinking of doing?

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Insulin Glucose Draw

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Hi Stu,

How about this one?

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/>

Don't give up.
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.Someone said that.I think he's dead now,though.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Feeding Question

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

She did say that they do a blood draw at 5pm and then again at 1pm >the next day.
Beth,there should only be one draw.On one day,I mean.
Did you ask what tests the vet was thinking of doing?

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Feeding Question

papballou <PapBallou@...>
 

Thank you Linda. I will be sure to follow this advice. She did say that they do a blood draw at 5pm and then again at 1pm the next day. I will be sure to feed her a few hours before 5.
Beth -

They only need to be doing one blood draw - simple glucose and insulin...and ACTH if you are looking for cushings. I hope you are not describing the dexamethasone suppression test for cushings??? If so, please do not allow them to do that. It involves injecting steroids and that will make matters worse.

Do you have any jiaogulan? This is what we recommend in lieu of bute, etc. It has an analgesic property, but more so, produces nitric oxide which improves circulation. Believe me, it works wonders. You can get it at www.herbalcom.com for about $15 a pound.

The emergency diet often brings about an obvious change within days, sometimes even the same day. I know.

Do you have boots/pads for her? If not, you can duct tape (where would we be without it) styrofoam to the bottoms of her feet. Get the 2" thick insulation type at Lowes.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Feeding Question

applegatestables
 

Thank you Linda. I will be sure to follow this advice. She did say that they do a blood draw at 5pm and then again at 1pm the next day. I will be sure to feed her a few hours before 5.
 
Thanks for the information on the BP. I need it right now just to administer the supplements.
 
I hope she improves soon. I took her off bute two days ago and today she wasn't able to stand and had a prominant digital pulse. I soaked her feet for as long as she could stand it.
 
Thanks again,
 
Beth

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, papballou <PapBallou@...> wrote:


From: papballou <PapBallou@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Feeding Question
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:53 PM


 



Hi Beth -

A pound of BP equals about 1.5 pounds of grass hay. If you are using it only as a carrier for mineral, flax, etc, you probably won't need more than a cup or so rinsed/soaked/ rinsed.

If you are using it to make a big decrease in the amount of glucose she is getting, or to lose weight, then substitute as above. You might have to play with it a bit to find the right *formula*. BP can make up 1/3 of the diet if needed.

Soak the hay as well for the blood draw - if I recall, IR is the question with the pony. We want to see what her levels are when on a low s/s diet. Since the vet is coming at 5PM, feed her some soaked hay at 1PM. We don't want her to be in a fasting state. If he is delayed beyond 5, give her some soaked hay to munch on about 5.

There is a bit of a concern about the blood draw so late in the day. We have found that some vets do not process the blood correctly (spin/chill or freeze). We don't want the blood to sit overnight in the vet's truck. Your results will be useless. Hopefully your vet is better informed! We do have a file in the files section on proper handling of blood.

HTH

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004



















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Re: Tim balance cube problem

Carolyn Larson
 

Lorna has a great point about mold - I just threw out 28 bags of cubes. It was not the problem with the cubes - I live a 100 feet from water on every side, it was a June with only 3 days of sun, which continued into July, and I had bought too many bags. The place they were stored was far too damp, even with two fans going. This is the second year I've had this problem (I'm a slow learner, obviously) - my dealer now delivers 6 bags to me every Monday so we don't go through it yet another year. Pain for him but not as much pain as losing 28 bags at the price.

Carol and Blue in (damp) Maine
EC Moderator
Nov. 2005

At 04:58 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote:


Have you had high humidity,Sharon?Is it possible the cubes have been affected?
I have had to pitch 10-12 bales of hay which were in the old stone stable(as opposed to in the mow) during the last several weeks of high humidity here.Mold.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002

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Re: Pergolide

5 Pine Ranch
 

I'd like to add that your vet needs to ask the compounding company to provide a certificate of analysis or guarantee as to the TESTED efficacy of pergolide after 180 days. The responsibility is on the pharmacy.

Amberlee in BC
2004


Re: Insulin Glucose Draw

Stuart Jacob <sjacob1875@...>
 

Hi Lorna,

I truly appreciate all of your help. I tried to get to the cse study file, but the link I was provided did not seem to work. Do you have another link?

Stu
Bucks County, PA
July 2009



________________________________
From: briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:53:11 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Insulin Glucose Draw



But if you could get your case history posted I know Dr. Kellon would find that very helpful.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Timothy balance cubes

Carolyn Larson
 

Faith, same here, which annoys Blue no end - he leaves the loose stuff in his tub and will not eat a mash made of it. On the snips of twine, yes, there are some in there (I'm glad when they're red - easy to spot), but I find those in every bale of hay, too - none of my hay guys can explain why the baling machine does that, but it does, very consistently.

Carol and Blue in Maine
EC List Support
Nov. 2005

At 09:04 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote:


I haven't had any of the problems mentioned with my cubes (I go through a bag a day) but they have been not very well formed lately. The cubes are very soft with alot of loose hay. Makes it hard to put cubes into their grazing toys. Fayth Preis

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Re: Tim balance cube problem

kimgedckewagner
 

Loes--

"CA" in this case stands for Canada, not California. The CFIA refers to Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

All--

Aurelio usually does a darn good job with customer service and tracking down issues. If you all will contact him at Ontario-Dehy, that would be the first step in the best interest of all. Remember, they're on our side......

Kim & CG
New Hill, NC
Winter 2005

hay. They are not a CA company.

Romke loves his cubes!

Loes in So CA
Jan 2007(or8)


On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Ronia van Gage wrote:

For everyone with Cubes issues. Since this is a CA company I do
not mind notifying the CFIA Feeds division if you all agree it is
warranted.

Regards,

Ronia member since AU 2008

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Re: Feeding Question

papballou <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi Beth -

A pound of BP equals about 1.5 pounds of grass hay. If you are using it only as a carrier for mineral, flax, etc, you probably won't need more than a cup or so rinsed/soaked/rinsed.

If you are using it to make a big decrease in the amount of glucose she is getting, or to lose weight, then substitute as above. You might have to play with it a bit to find the right *formula*. BP can make up 1/3 of the diet if needed.

Soak the hay as well for the blood draw - if I recall, IR is the question with the pony. We want to see what her levels are when on a low s/s diet. Since the vet is coming at 5PM, feed her some soaked hay at 1PM. We don't want her to be in a fasting state. If he is delayed beyond 5, give her some soaked hay to munch on about 5.

There is a bit of a concern about the blood draw so late in the day. We have found that some vets do not process the blood correctly (spin/chill or freeze). We don't want the blood to sit overnight in the vet's truck. Your results will be useless. Hopefully your vet is better informed! We do have a file in the files section on proper handling of blood.

HTH

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Insulin Glucose Draw

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Hi Stu,

I don't mean to speak for Dr. Kellon by any means,but until she gets back to you I just wanted to help you help her as much as possible.I haven't seen a csae history posted yet for your boy.I know you've been planning to do that,and nobody can do everything at once.
But if you could get your case history posted I know Dr. Kellon would find that very helpful.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Insulin Glucose Draw

Stuart Jacob <sjacob1875@...>
 

Dr. Kellon,

The Insulin, Glucose and ACTH blood draw took place this morning and was shipped to Cornell. I should have something by end of week. When can set up a consultation and what documents do you want me to send you in the meantime?

Stu
Bucks County, PA
July 2009



________________________________
From: drkellon <drkellon@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 2:23:27 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Insulin Glucose Draw


Yes, do ACTH, insulin and glucose. Yes, I'm available for a consultation.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon. com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Timothy balance cubes

fdpreis
 

I haven't had any of the problems mentioned with my cubes (I go through a bag a day) but they have been not very well formed lately. The cubes are very soft with alot of loose hay. Makes it hard to put cubes into their grazing toys. Fayth Preis

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