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od balance cubes

LJ Friedman
 

When I first joined this group, I started on the OD balance cubes. Jesse quidded those cubes. So I’m thinking this is not a possible replacement.  doing an analysis of cubes versus Timothy pellets plus custom supplements that cost me three dollars per day, I’m thinking the cubes are probably less expensive? But like I said, I don’t think cubes will work for jesse???  
the cubes are not pellets  . thoughts? thanks
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


question on metformin

Kim de Wildt <Kdewildt9@...>
 

Dear all, Gismo is on Metformin for 3 months now and he is doing really good: he seems painfree, cantors and plays and can stand all day long. I wanted to ask for how long I should give him this. The rest of his life? Could I reduce the number of pills I am giving him in the long run? I would really appreciate some advice/experiences in this regard.

Kindest regards,

Kim
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Kim de Wildt
April 2019, Germany
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Gismo 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=89870


Re: Hay Analysis, new lab work and Pergolide Veil?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Anne, it's great to see Tricana is in the "compensated IR" range!  Not so great to see how high her ACTH is though, it's off the charts. 

She is probably experiencing the pergolide veil and will be lethargic for a few days to a week or so.  It does pass.  Her daily jiaogulan might be helping.  I'm assuming you are titrating her up to the usual starting dose of 1mg and that she is still eating her hay.  My thoughts are that you might as well get through the veil as fast as possible, so I would hold off working her and keep going with the dose increases every few days -- unless her veil worsens to the point where she goes off her hay.  Just my thoughts though...  I know many people here have had the patience to titrate up slowly, and maybe you are one of them, but that really prolongs the veil for both of you, even if it does make it less severe (although I do agree that some horses with extreme veils clearly need very slow titration and APF). 

Have you tried giving APF?  I know it's hard to get APF in Canada but Auburn Labs will ship it directly to you if you call them.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
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Re: Flaxmeal

 

I can buy a 50 pound bag of whole flax seed from local feed stores for $33 to 35, which makes it roughly half the cost of stabilized ground flax seed. Seed color is unimportant.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: vit e,

Allison
 

AH!!! Ok I'm alright then. Fewf. Thought I had majorly screwed up LOL. This is what I feed: https://well.ca/products/natures-bounty-100-preservative_55683.html
He gets 10 of these a day, split between 2 feedings. 
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan
Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Vit e in mad barn vitamin supplements

Bonnie Eddy
 

This question was asked in horse keeping by someone,, but was never answered,  but I have the same question. Someone said they had contacted Madbarn about the Vit e in their Omneity, etc and this was the conversation:
-- Mad Barn I asked Scott if the vit E and A in it (and in their other mineral supplements, like Amino Trace+) was absorbed fully. He said that they pre-mix the vit E and A with oil before incorporating it in to the supplement so he feels that, yes, it is fully available to the horse. Is that as good as feeding an oil-based capsule separately, or is there reason to believe that pre-mixing it is not effective?
Should their products be supplemented with Vit e gel caps?

Thank you

Bonnie with Racham (over the rainbow) from Southern California, Nov/2016

Case History
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Re: vit e,

 

Allison, I don’t think the glycerin is harmful but vitamin E still needs oil for best absorption.  You would need to add oil along with those gel caps.  Most suppliers sell gel caps with oil and well as gel caps with glycerin.  You just need to be careful about which one you choose.  This is what I use and it contains soybean oil as well as glycerin.  Maybe yours has both as well?  The glycerin acts as a plasticizer, which probably makes it a preservative of sorts.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: testing pellets

 

Michelle, I should think that Dr. Kellon’s response to LJ would be the same for you as well.  That’s an average figure so you may well find differences between batches.  I heartily recommend the ODTBC as they make things so much easier.  If, by carrier, you mean half a handful it might not be too important.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: testing pellets

Michele Goldberg <ladipus@...>
 

Do you happen to know if the Semican Timothy Pellets are generally safe as a carrier ?? I reached out to them and they told me that the NSC is 9.5%
Michele & Schimpie
Bernville, Pa


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: vit e,

Allison
 

Dr. Kellon, what is the concern with feeding the human Vit E gelcaps made of glycerin? I didn't know this was bad, and have been feeding the Nature's Bounty brand of Vit E gelcaps for months now. 
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan
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Re: vit e,

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

If you use a powdered vitamin E you should mix it into oil before feeding to improve absorption.  Many people just use human gelcaps of vitamin E in oil (not in glycerin).
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Next step with APF dosage

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Many people stop it after the initial adjustment period but certainly no harm in continuing at a lower dose. You could also try switching to Jiaogulan for a less expensive adaptogen.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Next step with APF dosage

HL's Mom
 

Hi all-

I'm happy to report that after being on APF (14 ml/day) for about 3+ weeks I'm seeing HUGE improvements in my girl's attitude and energy levels. She's nearly her old self again- maybe with more energy. My question now is what should I do after a month on APF? Do I cut the dosage and see what happens? That would save me a ton of money, but I want to keep us both happy going forward. I'll be getting her retested for Cushings the end of November, some time in December- once the seasonal changes settle down. Everything else is good: she looks good (even my picky farrier is happy with how she looks) and seems to be feeling better.
Thanks.
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Diann  in VA 2020


vit e,

Sandy Gazzard
 

hi, im looking form some vit e for my hay only diet mare. she has minerals, and lysine for top line. with salt brewers yest, .some I have seen has iron in them,or and alfalfa as a base.
many thanks
 
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sandy
, joined 27th January 2020. location. Cornwall-England


Re: testing pellets

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The best thing for Jesse would be the OD  timothy balance cubes - then you know they're safe and already balanced.  Supplier isn't really the issue with the timothy pellets - it's batch differences whether the same or different supplier. The Standlee teff pellets are not guaranteed safe but your odds of getting low S/S should be more favorable. You will still have the different mineral profiles and protein levels between batches.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Flaxmeal

gypsylassie
 

Just an information detail, you're looking at ground flax seed, not actually flax seed meal.   It can sometimes be the same thing, depending on the source, but strictly speaking, the meal has the beneficial oils removed.   
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


testing pellets

LJ Friedman
 

this year I will have about one years hey to test for Majestic. For Jesse since he eats only Timothy pellets the barn usually only buy bags monthly, and the barn sometimes switches suppliers which I don’t think I like. I’m thinking I can ask them to use just one provider. Would that be helpful to ensure a consistent supply even though lots might be different as the barn will not purchase a years worth of pellets  at one time, but does it usually monthly?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Flaxmeal

Heidi Reid
 

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 04:55:44 PM EST, Deb Walker <goldilocks1210@...> wrote:


Angie - When I started Flax I was buying the pre-ground as well. It was very expensive. I learned here that most people grind their own and it is WAY less expensive.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
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Re: Flaxmeal

LJ Friedman
 


Re: Audi- Recommendations Ahead of Vet Visit?

lindsaykrauland@...
 

OK, so the vet appointment went way better than I expected!  

I owe my vet a public apology.  Apparently, he DID authorize the pergolide refill, but there was perhaps a miscommunication, and his staff member incorrectly informed the pharmacy that they wouldn’t refill the prescription until the blood results came back. When I asked about the refill today, he seemed very surprised and said that he thought I had already gotten it.  So there’s that.

In fact, I got his OK today to play with Audi’s dose all I want up to 5 mg/day!

I’ll start a new thread tomorrow regarding dosing.  I didn’t realize until I got home that I had left with the old Cornell report from a couple months ago instead of the new one that just came in today.  I haven’t seen the new report yet.  The vet said the ACTH was 31 and that Audi’s insulin was “low,” which I’m thinking is a very good thing.

We did end up sending off for an EPM test today.  I really think Audi’s issues stem from PPID and not EPM, but the vet says it’s very common around here and that Audi’s weight loss & occasional habit of dragging his toes is enough to raise suspicion in his mind.  So we’ll see how that comes back, and if nothing else, it can be a rule-out.  Should have that next week.

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Lindsay in TX 2020

Audi Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsay%20and%20Audi

Audi Photo Album:
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