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Re: Wellpride Omega 3 Fish oil for horses

Nancy C
 

Can you link to the study please, Shevawn, so we can have a look?

Here is post from Dr Kellon on Wellpride

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/255349

She also recommended using algae based omega-3 caps in the above thread.

Here is a post from Kathleen on fish oil. She is a researcher in the EFA human world.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/255469

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Wellpride Omega 3 Fish oil for horses

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Wellpride fish oil  was prescribed for my IR PPID mare for upper airway disease also added a tbsp of quercetin and it has done wonders for her.  She was coughing all the time for years and it got progressively worse last year.  Now doesn't cough at all.

I have not noticed any adverse results from adding it related to her metabolic disease.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Wellpride Omega 3 Fish oil for horses

Shevawn Romine
 

Yet another article I read in TheHorse magazine,   described Omega 3 sourced from Flaxseed was best for skin issues,   but Omega 3 from fish oil was best for inflammation and foot issues due to a study that was done.   My search landed on Wellpride Omega 3 Fishoil for horses , which says purified of mercury/pesticides and am giving an ounce per day,  divided into 2 servings.   But any thoughts/experiences  on it as far as putting weight on (unwanted) or worse,  if it could cause insulin rise?   I don't know what they are "flavoring" it with - doesn't say on website so I guess I will reach out.   
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Cassie and Shevawn
03/2015   Gordon, TX
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Re: Stabul 1

Julanne Baker
 

I finally downloaded my case history up to now. Any advice about changes are welcome. II have learned from this group that several of the things I am using may be bad for Oreo, eg: Nutrena Ration Balance and Platinum Performance Equine.  If there are others, please comment.
Because her weight is not budging, I am also assuming her insulin is still high and after her bloodwork will probably put her on Metformin.
I will be getting Timothy  her hay tested as well.
Again, thanks so much for your help!
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Julanne in Florida 2020
CaseHistory
Https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Julanne%20and%20Oreo


Re: Stabul 1

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Julanne,

For those of us who don't have pages on our devices, would you be able to save the file as a PDF (you should have a "print to PDF" option or be able to use an online converter like Zamzar to do this) and then load the PDF to your folder (your link will stay the same since you have it set to the folder so no need to mess with the signature again).  That would be really helpful.




Re: Dr Kellon/Dr. Clougher - need help re significant increase in triglycerides

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Dr Kellon/Dr. Clougher - need help re significant increase in triglycerides

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Yes please do share with your vet and if you want any records from Davis I am also willing to share those as well.

Whatever you need.

Thanks so much, Nancy 

Also Vinnie's vets at UCD were Dr Camillo Jaramillo and Dr Berryhill if they are colleagues of your vet and if he wanted to speak with them about Vinnie's case.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


locked Re: Equi-analytical 604 analysis on Timothy Balanced Cubes and Amino Trace +

Nancy C
 

Hi Sandra

We've received the test results.  Two quick questions:

Would please also send your current hay analysis?
How is Ritchie-Smith Feeds involved in this endeavor? I may have missed that info.

Thanks

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Dr Kellon/Dr. Clougher - need help re significant increase in triglycerides

Patti SoCal 2020
 

Hi Nancy,

Thank you for this information. It is so helpful as Sunny’s liver enzymes and cholesterol increased also.  Yes, my vet and I are working closely on this and we had emailed Dr K about the results. We hadn’t heard back from her which made me think she is not available right now.

Sunny did not have any physical symptoms of his numbers (no rapid weight loss, loss of appetite, lethargy, depression, etc) but his triglycerides were 1096 so we may have been close.

My vet wants to wait to hear from Dr K, and if it’s okay with you, I’d like to share this with him also. He and I are both on a learning curve. I think it’s wise to wait and let Sunny’s numbers stabilize before proceeding with a decreased dose or other action. And, of course, waiting for guidance from Dr K.

One last question..what dosage was Vinnie on?

Again, thank you for your reply!

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Patti
SoCal 2020                                                 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patti%20and%20Sunny


Re: Cola!

Nancy C
 

Hi Victoria

Cocosoya oil is not a flax replacement.

As outlined in the links Sherry supplied, a small amount means 4 ounces at most. It does not replace flax.

Flax does not have enough fat for Vitamin e absorption. That is why ECIR recommends vitamin e caps in soy oil. Soy oil is safe. Alternatively use a tablespoon of olive oil to deliver the vitamin e.

Many folks have used flax oil or chia seed for horses who do not like flax meal. Chia seed has correct omega ratios but is more expensive than flax.

Feed bags with a handful of Nuzu or other safe grain work well to help get pills into fussy horses.


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Help understanding TRH stim test results

crista
 

I'm wondering if someone could help me understand my pony's TRH stim test results...

First tested 5/2020:  ACTH pre: 23.3, post: 335.  Started on 1mg pergolide (pracend).  

Recently tested again 3/2021: ACTH pre: 25.3, post 288.  Vet says everything looks good and maintain on 1mg pergolide.  

So, my question...  Should he have a lower post TRH level if he was on the right amount of pergolide?  To me, those numbers look more or less the same, so either I'm not understanding how pergolide works, or how to interpret the results.

I updated my case history, too, in case you need more details.
Thanks!


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Crista
2021, Ohio

Mocha's Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Crista%20and%20Mocha
Mocha's photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=262003


Re: Cola!

Vmperisse@...
 

The b/o does not have a microwave at the barn or hot water. I can't expect them to heat it up to help soften.  
He spits out every pill I've ever tried to give him unless very well hidden in something good. He is also a messy eater so someone would have to stand there and watch and make sure he gets everything which I know won't happen. He will drop it it then refuse what you give to avoid the pill. 

I only saw the one message about Cocosun in small amounts which is why I asked what that means exactly. 
Flax causes inflammation for him.
I have his supplements spread across two feedings and I cant be there every day twice a day to do it myself.
Is Nano-e a natural source?
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Victoria P NJ 2021


Re: Liz & Onyx - New Results 2021

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Elizabeth,

So I'm hoping one of the vets will pop in with some opinions on the bloodwork but I think you're already doing what we would suggest as far as soaking hay (since the ESC+starch could potentially still be too high for Onyx). 

Metformin is meant for short term use and often stops working after a period of time, which I think it's safe to say has happened for Onyx.  For horses who have had everything else tightened up as much as possible this is were we have been recommending Invokana but obviously this is an experimental use and we're still learning more about it as we go.  Given that though you may want to discuss discontinuing the metformin at this point in time with your vet. I'd also say the Insulinwise isn't working for him either and consider stopping that as well.

As far as his diet and current weight, this is where I'm struggling.  You have him listed as a 6 at 1074lbs in July of 2019 which would be heading towards fat.  Today you have him at 1079 and say he's a 4, which would be on the thin side.  Looking at his picture from Aug 2019 (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/94258/1134625?p=Taken,,,20,2,0,0) and yesterday (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/94258/3204270?p=Taken,,,20,2,0,0) I'd say he's a smidge thinner now but still definitely not a 4 and still over his ideal weight by a bit but maybe not a full 75 pounds.  I think this is a point a lot of us struggle with - I know for my gelding when I had him weighed at the vet when he was out of shape and I thought he was fat he actually weighed less than when he was back in work and had added muscle on.  Looking at him I would have said he lost 25 pounds, but he'd actually gained 30. 

However, for Onyx, let's go with an ideal weight of 1000lbs vs. the current 1079.  Following our diet recommendations he should be eating no more than 20lbs a day total (2% of ideal weight).  Looking at the numbers you have he's getting 18lbs of hay, probably about a pound in beet pulp and Stabul-1 (I'm not recalling off the top of my head what 1 cup of beet pulp weighs but it's probably not much), and then over 2lbs of the ODTBC.  It may not seem like much but for an IR horse that extra pound or so can be an issue so I'd suggest making sure of the weight of the beet pulp and then cutting back on the ODTBC at this point.  Also, is the beet pulp rinsed/soaked/rinsed?




Re: Question for Dr. Kellon and Invokana dose for Riosa

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:09 PM, Jaini Clougher wrote:
I have found that my crew have a fairly predictable pee schedule, in that when they are called up for their supplements, they often stop to pee before they come up, or half-way through the walk.
Exactly! And if you can whistle, whistle when you call your horse for urine collection. It took exactly once for Cayuse to get with the program. I call her to an irresistible freshly bedded stall. After a clean catch, every so often I stuff a horse cookie in her face as she walks out. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Gut health

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Sandy,

This would be a question to discuss with your vet.  Without any other information on what's going on with your mare we really can't advise you on that question.



Re: Creating case history file

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Carrie,

You need to join the Case History sub-group (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory) and then go to the Files section and create a folder named "Carrie and xxx" and then find and open that folder and upload the form you've filled out. Directions on how to do that should be at the end of the case history form. 



Re: Dr Kellon/Dr. Clougher - need help re significant increase in triglycerides

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi Patti,

I am not a vet but I can share my experience and what I was told when Vinnie was in the middle of hyperlipidemia caused by hypertriglyceridemia and had to be hospitalized.
Background:
1. His triglycerides were 1100 the day he was hospitalized.
2. He had been experiencing dramatic weight loss, ataxia, on and off really sore feet, lethargy and just wasn't himself for about a month prior beginning Feb 8th.  I believe he had been in hypertriglyceridemia for the month of Feb. We started invokana Jan 8th and he was doing great til Feb 8th.
3. March 1 was when things really seemed to get worse. I actually had "the talk" with my vet about when was enough, enough. That is how worried I was about Vinnie.  He was eating and drinking well so we decided to pull blood and take it from there.
4. March 8th bloodwork came back ( high triglycerides,  high liver enzymes and high cholesterol) and March 10th he was hospitalized. He presented with a gas colic that wouldn't stabilize. When arriving at the hospital colic was ruled out, but liver enzymes, lactate and triglycerides were high so he was hospitalized for hyperlipidemia.

They immediately stopped invokana and treated with glucose and low molecular weight heparin to help the fat (triglycerides) move back into the cells and help his body stop using fat for energy and to build his glycogen store in the muscles for energy.

Vinnie is doing great at home and his liver enzymes are back to normal almost and his hypertriglyceridemia is almost resolved, but we have not yet restarted invokana.

His insulin has jumped up to 68 from normal (30) pre hospitalization. The goal if we put Vinnie back on invokana is to start with a low dose and stop.  Then monitor both urine glucose and blood triglycerides, insulin and glucose to see how long the dose stays in his system and what the effects are on his system. We ( me and my vet) are waiting to do this under the guidance of Dr Kellon.

I hope this helps. Whatever you do please work with a vet to ensure you are both in the same page with next steps etc.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Creating case history file

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Carrie,

I can't check for you,but are you sure you have joined the Case History group?
I'm a technotard,so I hope that's not  a silly question.But sometimes people do miss that step.


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Gut health

Sandy Gazzard
 

can any one help recommend a good UK product to help Good bacteria  for my mare. She has a gut balancer pink powder digestive aid. But I caught her eating horse pooh.
many thanks
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sandy
, joined 27th January 2020. location. Cornwall-England


Creating case history file

Carrie
 

Hi Could you help me to complete the Case History upload please.
I've infilled the CH form in, each time I click on the 'HERE' link for Macs  (point 2 on creating a CH file) - I get sent to the Creating a Case History page on web, but theres no create file etc. 
I can only see the normal menu of messages etc
Many thanks

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Carrie 
March 2021
UK 

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