Date   

Re: Another crosses the Rainbow Bridge

bizzibizzigirl
 

Thank you all for your kind thoughts.  They are very comforting.  xx


Re: Dawn joins the angel horses

sunshine12982000
 

Oh, LeeAnne. My heart hurts for you. You both fought the good fight, and you were both better off for having each other. The fact that you helped her to the wonderful age of 31 1/2 is a testament to your love. Having these horses is a gift from God, since not everyone could or would endure the roller coaster of their condition. My prayers are with you.

Gayle and Sabrina
3/06
Fairview, TN
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory/files/Sabrina/



 





 



Re: Dawn joins the angel horses

takarri@...
 

LeeAnne,

I'm so sorry to hear that Dawn has passed on to greener pastures. I followed her story and you were both a great inspiration to me.She was certainly a special lady that lived to a exceptional age under your great care & love.

Take care 

 

Pauline & Spur

Angel Jack & Harry

Sth West Vic

Australia  Aug 07

EC Primary Response

http://tinyurl.com/7qbdyas

 






Re: Questions for Ofeigur

barbaraa16
 

Hello, Lavinia
Hope you are having a very Happy Easter.

Thanks for the reply.  I will look forward to the mark-ups and take them with me to the farrier.

I am not sure what you mean by the broken back axis of the hoof/pastern.

To answer your questions. No, the hole in his muzzle has not been closed.  The pasture he is on has very low growth (in height of plant) and made up mostly of weeds.  His teeth have no grinding capacity left although he does still have all of his teeth.  He basically quids what he does graze without the muzzle.

I had the Mountain Sunrise pellets tested a couple of months ago, and the sugar/starch level was low (I can't find the results right now, but I remember that it was less that 10% even without soaking).  We have continued to soak his pellets.  I could try him on the ODTB cubes, but the Bermuda pellets are finer and probably easier for him to eat.

No, we have not tried Metformin.  I will talk to the Vet about it, but if it only works temporarily what good would it do in the long run?

I did not send his TIBC and Serum Iron to KSU.  It was done at Cornell so we did not get a ferritin.  I have to assume that he is Iron overloaded because our soil and hence the well water is probably high in iron (we live in red rock country).  How should I adjust his supplement to compensate?

As far as how Ofeigur is feeling, his appetite waxes and wanes I think because of the heat or changes in the weather.  Our temps this winter have been mild and he has a very thick coat (longer than usual for him).  He is shedding but very slowly.  I have given him a trace clip with a skip tooth blade that seems to help.  His feet do not seem any more sore.  In fact he picks them up easier that he did a year ago.  He does not get any specific exercise except as he moves about in the pasture with two other horses.  He has been observed to canter out there occasionally.

Thanks for the corrected links.

Barbara

N. AZ, 3/23/2103


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/photos/albums/261495310

ttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Barbara%20and%20Ofeigur/



Re: Questions for Ofeigur

barbaraa16
 

Hi, Ferne
Yes, Ofeigur is an Icelandic, and a very sweet one at that.  

He has very little tooth grinding action left, if any, and quids most of what he does get even with the muzzle.  I could close the hole in his muzzle, but I hate to do that.  The pasture he is on is nearly dirt.  Any growth is very low and I doubt he gets much through the hole of his muzzle.

 His appetite tends to wax and wane.  Even when he has little interest in his Bermuda pellets he still comes over for his sugar-free treat.  I think it is the heat as we have had a very mild winter and his coat is very heavy.  Temps during the days are up in the high 70s to 80s, but nights are still quite cool (40's to 50's).  I am hesitant to give him a full clip because of the cool nights, but have done a trace clip which seems to help.  It is either that heat or the weather.  I had thought it might be the Cushings, but with the ACTH of 10 I doubt that.

Barbara

N. AZ, 3/23/2103


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/photos/albums/261495310

ttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Barbara%20and%20Ofeigur/



Re: West Nile Vaccine

ferne fedeli
 

First I had heard of WNV being an issue.  As Nancy says, vaccinations can always be sort of iffy.  You need to weigh the prevalence of the disease with the possible danger of the vaccination itself.  None of my guys have ever had any reactions to any vaccinations though (Icelandic is IR and PPID, Donkey IR, partner's Appy has other issues...).  I just gave them all WNV in March when the vet was here for testing...
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:10 PM, cboriskin@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

I normally give the West Nile Vaccine to my horse annually in May. I was recently told that the vaccine should not be given to horses with Cushings. Has anyone heard of this?


Horse Vaccination Protocol | Depaolo Equine Concepts Health Library

Horse Vaccination Protocol | Depaolo Equine Concepts...
Written by Mark DePaolo, DVM.  COPYRIGHT © 2012 All rights reserved. What is vaccine overload?
Preview by Yahoo

  Cynthia Boriskin from CA

  Tucker 10/10 



Re: NOW Winstrol Woes, WAS sex steroids

gentpony
 

Hi Sharon,

Though Dr Kellon has answered your question about Winstrol, I feel I must speak up and relate

our experience with it before we found the ECIR list.

 

In 2003, Winstrol was labeled for use as a treatment for anemia. Our pony was 23 yrs at that time. When blood testing revealed he was anemic, he was prescribed Newcells (B vit plus copper said the vet, but only recently found it also contained iron) and Winstrol injections in May 2003. 

 

After the second of dose of the steroid, there was swelling not only at the injection site, but also on both sides of his face from the eyes to the nostrils.  The front of his ears became so unbearably itchy that he rubbed the base of both of them completely raw where they attach to his head.  The insides of his ears developed dry, scaly skin that peeled off in rather large patches, somewhat like humans with sunburn.  It was impossible to keep him from rubbing these ears.   He never had any such problems prior to this.

 

Unfortunately, this treatment seems to have triggered ‘something’, and this condition of itchy, scaly ears persisted for YEARS. 

 

(We finally found that wiping the insides of the ears with a vinegar solution gave some relief, but this had to be applied several times a day, then daily, or every other day year round, depending on the severity of the itching.  The recipe is Vinegar 45%, Water 45%, 70%-Isopropyl Alcohol 10%.)

 

From then on, he became hypersensitive to many things, listed in CH. 

    For example, 2 months later in Aug 2003 he had full body hives that came on suddenly for unknown reasons immediately after exercise, and so grotesquely distorted his face and altered his breathing, that I feared for his life from anaphylaxis. 

    Every spring he would rub his face completely raw…I worried he would damage his eyes.  Spirulina and mineral balancing helped to some degree, but the problems persisted.

 

It was only around 2012 or so, that we saw resolution of this itchy ear problem.  That was when we finally understood what our lab results from Guelph really meant - we converted the results to Cornell units of measure.  By using what was considered at that time, higher doses of pergolide, ACTH was better controlled, although it had not been outrageously high.

 

One might say that because a few weeks earlier he was starting to pant but not sweat in the sun, that this was the start of Cushings symptoms, and adding this steroid aggravated that.   Or that this reaction was due to the Newcell because of pro-inflammatory iron - but he received several courses of Newcell in later months, and this did not make the ear condition any worse, or cause his face or injection site to swell.   (BTW, this didn’t solve the anemia either.)  Maybe it was the combination of the two drugs. 

 

     This occurred prior to any hay testing, mineral balancing, and no knowledge of Cushings/PPID or IR.  Anyway, both of us would rather not have had a Winstrol experience.

 

Eva and Mel

SW Ontario,  March 2005

 

Early CH,  Nov 2001 to Nov 2006

http://web.archive.org/web/20100119142752/http://www.sportshorses.com/cases/gentpony.Mel;.htm

 

This direct link does not always work, it depends on Neo’s mood:

newer but incomplete CH  is in ECH 7, Eva and Mel, Ontario

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Eva%20and%20Mel%2C%20%20Ontario/

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files

 


Re: Ration Plus or Forco?

Nancy C
 

Most probably gastric. In previous discussion about Forco v Ration Plus you were having gastric issues that cleared up with the RP.  Here's the message.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/171801

 


Some horses don't lie the taste of yeast.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
FACT: To diagnose IR, the ECIR Group recommends a non-fasted, simple blood draw for serum insulin, glucose and leptin and the use of VA Polytechnic Proxies. See E. M. Kellon, VMD, Diagnosis of Insulin Resistance and PPID, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, www.ecirhorse.org
http://www.freil.com/~mlf/IR/ir.html





---In EquineCushings@..., <cboriskin@...> wrote :

>>Some horses are allergic to yeast used in Forco<<

What are the symptoms if a horse is allergic to Forco?

Cynthia from CA
Tucker 10/10

Sent from my iPad

>


Re: Dawn joins the angel horses

Valeree Smith
 

LeeAnne,

Dawn joins an elite group who have taught so many so much.  May she spend eternity with friends, good grass, & long naps in the sun.

Valeree, Angel GD, Jake, & Annie


Sent from my iPhone



 






Re: Re; Emergency again!

nickdandy2005
 

Hi Lavinia - Trying to upload to the ECH8 site , via invitation. I'll keep trying, thanks. Pim  and Dandy  


Re: Dawn joins the angel horses

Nancy C
 

Oh LeeAnne.  What a great post to Dawn's memory.

You know how much she meant to all of us who have been here with you working on our own horses. You and Dawn have contributed so much to so many.

For those who would like to know Dawn better and learn from her, take a look at LeeAnne's very comprehensive Case History and other files.

Dawn was also our first Success Story.  Please take a look here

ECIRHorse

 



Run free Dawn.  We will miss you.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003




---In EquineCushings@..., <ThePitchforkPrincess@...> wrote :


 


It is a very sad time but like all other things in life, it will change.  She will be missed but sorrow will grow to become memories.  They will keep growing and include the friends and horses we knew and loved.  These remembrances will fill my old age the way dreams of her filled my childhood.  


- LeeAnne & Angel Dawn, 

Newmarket, Ontario 03/2004

Case History

Photos

All Season Muzzle Photos

Hoof Pics

More Hoof Pics & Xrays



Re: Ration Plus or Forco?

 

Some horses are allergic to yeast used in Forco<<
What are the symptoms if a horse is allergic to Forco?

Cynthia from CA
Tucker 10/10

Sent from my iPad


Re: Testing ACTH how soon after food?

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Beverly,

If you do a Search using 'fasting blood draw' you will find over 700 messages.
But here are two which should clear up the confusion between human protocols and equine:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/192326

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/191379

 

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup





>Don't we require a significant gap between eating and blood draw?
Otherwise there is no distinction between the normal insulin rise while
eating, and the failure of insulin to return to normal hours after
eating. i.e, insulin resistance.



 


Dawn joins the angel horses

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi All,

Dawn had been going through another sore feet episode for the past few weeks.  I don't know if it was abscess, laminitis and a temperature of 102.5, but when my farrier came to pull her shoe, he said it was time to call the vet. I still hoped the vet could help Dawn but when he  saw that her suspensory ligaments in her left front had gone, the decision was made.  At the age of 31 and a half, Dawn was helped out of her pain by the people who cared most for her during her lifetime.  


Many of you have already heard of Dawn's passing.  Your words have been such a comfort. These words are never easy but mean so much to those hearing them.  I thank you all. The group's help, support and guidance during eased the hardest parts of Dawn's final days and the past decade.  A decade that she never would have had without the friends from this group.    


It is a very sad time but like all other things in life, it will change.  She will be missed but sorrow will grow to become memories.  They will keep growing and include the friends and horses we knew and loved.  These remembrances will fill my old age the way dreams of her filled my childhood.  


- LeeAnne & Angel Dawn, 

Newmarket, Ontario 03/2004

Case History

Photos

All Season Muzzle Photos

Hoof Pics

More Hoof Pics & Xrays



Re: Testing ACTH how soon after food?

Nancy C
 

Do not withdraw food.  If you need to break an over night fast,  get up earlier and feed her the cubes.  Ideally four hours before the blood draw.

Review previous message

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/187072


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <bmeyer@...> wrote :

The pony eats only ODTB so there is no food until morning. I forgot to say!
If she starts at 8 and blood draw is 10:30, don't I withdraw food before
the draw, maybe at 9?


Re: Ration Plus or Forco?

Nancy C
 

Both are used successfully by members. They are both tested by independent labs.  Some horses are allergic to yeast used in Forco and do better on Ration Plus.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc




Re: West Nile Vaccine

Nancy C
 

While I did not read Dr Depaolo's article I would call that info suspect as an across the board recommendation.  Whether you need WNV will depend on where you are.  It is a real problem in many areas.

Giving any vax is a risk/benefit situation. Whether your horse can tolerate any vax will depend on his current health status.

Discuss prevalence of WNV in your area with your vet.

Vaccination questions are common this time of year. Lots more info in the message archives.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc





---In EquineCushings@..., <cboriskin@...> wrote :

I normally give the West Nile Vaccine to my horse annually in May. I was recently told that the vaccine should not be given to horses with Cushings. Has anyone heard of this?



THE PERGOLIDE DOSAGE DATABASE

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

 

http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4

 

Thanks to the 2013 Neo Yahoo changes, the Database sections of the Yahoo groups no longer function properly.   To keep the database going it has been temporarily saved in PDF format and posted in a drop box location.  Due to this format change members now must send emails to edit or add information.  If you need to edit your information or want to add a new horse to the database, just  fill out the short form from our files section and email it 

​​

LeeAnne at ECIR.Archives <at> gmail <dot> com.  If you are having file access issues just send LeeAnne an email to get an email copy of the form. 

 

Please update or add your equine to the database!  It won’t take long, and especially with the new columns, there will be big benefits to all horses with PPID and their owners down the road.   Already we have stats showing dosages on 250+ horses, information on occurrences of laminitis, life expectancy and more. With new horses and more updated data, the stats will be better than ever, answering some of the big questions regarding the use of pergolide.

 

"The only "correct" dose of pergolide is the one that controls his ACTH."
- Dr. Kellon, ECIR Message #132610, Sep 2, 2009.

 

Thank you for your cooperation and taking the time to “give back”.


Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Team of the Equine Cushings List



Re: Testing ACTH how soon after food?

beverly meyer
 

The pony eats only ODTB so there is no food until morning. I forgot to say!
If she starts at 8 and blood draw is 10:30, don't I withdraw food before the draw, maybe at 9?
Don't we require a significant gap between eating and blood draw? Otherwise there is no distinction between the normal insulin rise while eating, and the failure of insulin to return to normal hours after eating. i.e, insulin resistance.
Seems like it would be better to eat at 8, withdraw at 9 and test at 12. Suggestions? Thanks.
Beverly 6/14
Beverly Texas
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/


Ration Plus or Forco?

 

I have used both Ration Plus and Forco. I was wondering what people prefer to use and why?


Cynthia Boriskin from CA

Tucker 10/10

67481 - 67500 of 256868