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PPID 11 year old gelding with lyme dease on doxycyline( colicking trouble )

corrine haffner
 

Hi 


Jaspers,having trouble with colic after getting doxy happens within 30 minutes after doxy is given. Colicked last night and again this morning.Had asked in a earlier post if he was on the right dose,lavinia anwsered that question yesterday. Dose was to low so now he's on correct dose which is 54 100 mg pills split into two dosings. 


Have him on probiotics now,also on U Guard gets probiotic 2 hours after doxy is given both dosings. Doesn't help he's not eating good only 5 to 10lbs of hay a day sometimes less. Should i stop the doxy? or is that a bad idea? Don't know what to do,its not fun walking a colicking horse in sub zero temps,with 35 below wind chills. Have to limit the walking,because he's also very sore footed,so keep the walks for when he's really uncomfortable. He does have ulcer issues too.


Also need idea for making syringing meds in less of a hassle,he puts up a pretty good fight now. Think i have more doxy on me then he gets in his mouth.


Thank you in advance.

Corrine and Jasper

in Minnesota

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Thermal Temperature Strips

Larks Tabatha
 

Hello... wondering if anyone has every used Thermal Temperature Strips, and if they would work to read the warmth in their horse's hoof to check for heat/inflammation.


I don't trust myself to pick up subtle changes in temperature, and seem to wonder every month if my Compensated IR mare is tender footed from her recent trim or if she is experiencing a flare up of her IR.


Thanks for any feedback.


Sally in N. AZ

April 2013




Re: calcium in hard water

beverly meyer
 

Central Texas depends on limestone aquifers (calcium carbonate). I run very hard at about 10.5 to 12 gpg (grains per gallon).
Everything here spots white from the calcium - the house walls where the sprinkler water hits the house, etc.
So what can we do about this big daily dose of calcium carbonate? On top of the calcium hydroxide in the feed?.
I have searched the files as I'm sure others have hard water but can't find a thread.
Thanks!
Beverly 6/14
Beverly Texas
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Beverly%20Texas/


Re: Timeframe from time of IV Xylazine to Possible Laminitis?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <lauramollrich@...> wrote :

I found out that my vet had given an IV dose of Xylazine and 1/2 dose of Ace.  I heard somewhere that if there is going to be a real jump in the G/I it will happen a week following.

= = = = =

No truth to this. Levels normalize in no more than 3 hours.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Timeframe from time of IV Xylazine to Possible Laminitis?

lauramollrich
 

Without my authorization, I found out that my vet had given an IV dose of Xylazine and 1/2 dose of Ace.  I heard somewhere that if there is going to be a real jump in the G/I it will happen a week following.

Any truth to this. I am waiting on pins and needles.

Laura in CA
1/2012

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/files/Laura%20Mollrich/


Was: Changes to Teshan; Now New Member with Cushing's mare and paso fino

janieclougher@...
 

Hi and welcome to the list! The protocol developed by Dr. Kellon consists of diagnosis, diet, trim and exercise.  It has helped thousands of Cushing's and IR horses. I am glad your protocol is working for you and your horses! A very good overview of the protocol is available here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview  with more details on the same page.

How was your mare diagnosed with Cushing's? Best way is to do a single, non-fasting blood pull for ACTH; get insulin, glucose and leptin at the same time.  The blood needs to be spun and separated as soon as possible, frozen overnight and shipped on ice the next day, preferably to Cornell University.

Chaste tree berry will help with some of the symptoms of Cushing's, but will not control the ACTH. Only pergolide can do that.

Feeding low sugar, low starch hay in slow feeder nets is great.  Members have had varying results with Cool Stance; and some horses get footsore on alfalfa, but if your two can tolerate it, that is great.  Ideal is of course to test the hay and feed minerals balanced to the hay.

I do think it would be wise to test ACTH, insulin, glucose and leptin every August or September (before the seasonal rise in the northern hemisphere), or February/March in the southern hemisphere, to make sure all is well.

If you sign your posts with your name, date of joining and general location, we will better know where to direct you to resources in your area.

Cheers,

Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC 09
ECIR mod/support
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <wildcatmosher@...> wrote :

I am new this these pages ....Just a thought after much research on my end for my cushings mare -....


Re: Help making a link for CH

Nancy C
 

Let's try this again Sharon....here's the link to how to copy cut paste save on smart phones.

Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

 



Hope this helps.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT: Insulin resistance (IR) is the failure of insulin sensitive cells to respond to “normal” levels of insulin.  See E. M. Kellon, VMD, Diagnosis of Insulin Resistance and PPID, 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 





---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Sharon

Here's the link to your CH.  Thanks for getting it up. 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Sharon%20and%20BLAZE/

 

If you can copy, paste and save to use when you post, that would be great.  here are some links on how to do that on an IPhone and Android.






Re: Help making a link for CH

Nancy C
 

Hi Sharon

Here's the link to your CH.  Thanks for getting it up. 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Sharon%20and%20BLAZE/

 

If you can copy, paste and save to use when you post, that would be great.  here are some links on how to do that on an IPhone and Android.


Been through ice storms and it is no fun.  Hang in there.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <partnernaturally@...> wrote :

Hello
I have up loaded my CH but need to know how to make a link that I can post for you guys.
I only have my phone as we are still having winter weather here. I have been house bound now over a week and a half and just a little stir crazy at this point.
Thanks
Sharon and Blaze
East Tn
2005


Help making a link for CH

Sharon Manning
 

Hello
I have up loaded my CH but need to know how to make a link that I can post for you guys.
I only have my phone as we are still having winter weather here. I have been house bound now over a week and a half and just a little stir crazy at this point.
Thanks
Sharon and Blaze
East Tn
2005


Re: Changes to Teshan

kleonaptra@...
 

Sorry forgot to sign


Re: Changes to Teshan

kleonaptra@...
 

Jani,
 She still had her friend, her little grand daughter. Teshan just doesnt like being confined, and doesnt like being told what to do. Im not going to muzzle her, it would depress her and she would be out to get me more than usual.

 Im very familiar with metcam. I also know about horses and NSAIDs. However in my recent research it seems useful for eliminating inflammation and I thought it might help her. I dont have a lot of experience with metcam and horses, I have used it before, but metcam is one of the reasons I dont trust any drug these days, as it was prescribed to my cat and I blindly followed the vets advice without doing my own research and it nearly killed her. I asked because I thought if she was tipping over towards laminitis it would be worth the risk to give her some.

Hi Lavinia,
 I stopped the pergolide in order to restart on a lower dose. Its all in her case history and notes. Im not planning on having her on pergolide full time but I have said she will be on it during the autumn.

Hello Wildcat,
Thank you for your words. I am striving to find a balance that works for Teshan. I know my girl and I know a full on hit hard approach simply wont work. Thats why Im working hard to learn all I can so I can make the best decisions.

 Update: She kicked her way out of the stable. Im amazed, I weaned the foal in there and she gave it a belting for 3 days and that door didnt budge. Ive fixed the bolt and found a chain to shut it with. Even though Im infuriated, it was good to see that Teshan face "HaHa mum Im out I win again" She doesnt look as sore but I'll get up close and have a better look at feed up. She is confined to stable yard which is almost bare. 


Re: Safe treat found?

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Jaini -
I found these at "Smart Pack Equine" - they are "Herballs" and contain wheat flour, Alfalfa, Linseed, Garlic, Oregano and Rosemary. The balls are about the size of a gumdrop - I usually give 1-3 per day.
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May/2014

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Re: calcium in hard water

Nancy C
 

Has it been tested?  IF so would you put the testing info in  your CH folder?
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT: With knowledge of the nutrient profile of the forage and the animal's weight and level of work, one can supplement only what is needed to target nutritional needs.  See  Smithey and Gustafson, Nutrition Complexities and Mineral Profiles of Hay 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 





---In EquineCushings@..., <bmeyer@...> wrote :


Re: New test results on IR, PPID 11 year old gelding ( poor appetite & sore footed now stiff all over)

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Corinne,

You can delete the old post if you want to or just go ahead with the new post and add "Update" in the subject line.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team



Re: New test results on IR, PPID 11 year old gelding ( poor appetite & sore footed now stiff all over)

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Ugh, that should read a 545kg horse, not 454kg.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC support Team


>>>>That dose of doxy is nowhere near high enough for a 1200lb horse. The correct dose is 10mg/kg BW, so a 1200lb horse (454kg) would need 5.4g, 2 x per day. Currently, you are giving only 1.5g per day. He'd need 54, 100mg capsules, twice daily.


Re: Pam and Bailey (New Member)

Teri
 


My IR/PPID mini, Stormy is one who does better on a divided dose.  Last fall I had increased her to a once a day dose of 45 mgs and she was still having symptoms!  With Dr. Kellon's help, we tried a lower dose 2x a day.  She is currently on 18 mgs am and 18 mgs pm (compounded caps) and seems to be doing very well.   Dr. Kellon said that in Stormy's case the pergolide wasn't lasting 24 hrs.  But Stormy doesn't do much of anything by the book!   :-)   It would make all of our lives much easier if this disease 'followed the rules' too!    

Teri and Stormy
IN 2012
ECHistory5

 




Twice a day prascend is not as good as once per day.. this from Dr. Kellon
== = = = = = = =

I'd like to qualify this.

If a horse is on a once a day dose, say 1 mg, going to 0.5 mg twice a day instead may be a bad idea because you are essentially halving the dose and there is no significant overlap.

However, adding a second 1 mg dose 12 hours apart is fine and will keep blood levels up for more hours of the day.  That said, some members have found that when they need more control it is better to give a 2 mg dose once a day then to give 1 mg AM and PM.

We really need more studies looking at what, if anything, is the difference in control if you use multiple daily doses rather than just one.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: grain question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <mywisky@...> wrote :

I too am dealing with significant muscle loss. First feed I could find was Nutrena Safe Choice Original (controlled starch) to start switching him over from his org. mill mix (haven't gotten there yet) also am feeding their Empower Boost for fat. Haven't seen any improvement but am also dealing with very bad kidney function so, he's on 1 Prascend ( 8 days now) trying to find a balance for weight gain & low protein levels because of the kidney issue, haven't gotten there yet.
= = = = = = = = =
What were the ingredients in the mill mix?  Why were you feeding so much of it?  If a typical grain mix, calorie and protein needs were already being exceeded just by that.

The rice bran in Empower Boost isn't a good idea.  Too much starch, high proinflammatory omega-6 fatty acids.  Would replace that with 4 to 6 oz of flaxseed.

The weight and muscle loss in chronic diseases, which includes both the PPID and the renal disease, is a complicated issue:

http://www.fasebj.org/content/18/1/39.long

Molecular and cellular mechanisms of skeletal muscle atrophy: an update

 

There are some supplements known to be safe and beneficial for IR/PPID horses that can help with this,  but the first step here is to get the basic diet corrected.  It should be predominantly forage based (hay or hay pellets or cubes), controlled calcium, adequate but not excessive protein and balanced.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


 


calcium in hard water

beverly meyer
 

What should be done about balancing high calcium in hard water?

It doesn't make sense to add calcium in feed if we get too much much already. 

Do I need to install a reverse osmosis water filter in the barn?

What do others do with really hard water?  

Thanks!

Beverly 6/14

Beverly Texas

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Re: Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes

Aurelio Henriques
 

Lauren,
The Timothy cubes can be soaked down to a mash in a similar way to the Bermuda pellets.


Aurelio
Ontario Dehy, Goderich, Ontario, Canada


On 2/25/2015 10:09 AM, laurenn1717@... [EquineCushings] wrote:
 

Hello! I am interested in using the Timothy cubes as a carrier feed for my horses medication. Now I am using Mountain Sunrise Bermuda pellets and soak them down to a mash before adding in his supplements. Can you do the same with the Timothy Cubes? If not what carrier to you guys suggest for feeding supplements? Thank you in advance for you help!


Lauren
Sept 2014
Arizona


ECHistory8

 




Re: Changes to Teshan

wildcatmosher@...
 

I am new this these pages ....Just a thought after much research on my end for my cushings mare - I took her off all chemicals and anything at all soy related plus her prascend ....She is looking like she did as a 6 year old ,She's 20 ....I went with pound of cool stance ...ounce of kelp meal....ounce of vitamin/mineral and 2 pound alfalfa pellets per day along with a ounce of chaste berry ,split into 2 servings per day along with free choice slow feed grass hay . She looks and feels amazing has leaned out no more fat pads ...I went all natural and she's happy again and the nasty hair coat has gave way to a dappled shedding coat in January. could be i just lucked out and this works for my girl -I did get caught up in all the meds and special custom feed mix's and all the testing and putting her through you know what but i stopped and said enough and turned it around and by doing so i turned her around and my IR paso's fat pads are gone in just 45 days and she's running and bucking and feeling great .Sometimes we get so caught up in the craziness of trying to remove everything we forget that they are horses and they need to be out and playing and they need to be fed a natural way and move away from all the chemicals .

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