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Re: grain question

Leigh Jacobs
 

Hi RJ,
My old guy gets 1 lb Triple Crown Lite or Low Starch along with Mountain Sunrise Timothy pellets and beet pulp, Kirkland Mediterranean Blend oil (6-8 oz) and 1 scoop(25-30gm) of whey protein for muscle. Including free access to grass hay, everything other than the protein is to keep weight on Ace.  The protein was specifically added when I saw it suggested on one of the discussions here.  My complaint was seeing a loss of muscle along his spine and withers.  In the year that Ace has received this, his whole back has come back up and I have been able to get some muscle back into his hind quarters. I would stay away from any product that uses molasses, especially if my horse is prone to Cushing's driven IR and laminitis.
 Leigh, Ace and Shadow
AZ 2011




On Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:37 PM, "cynthia boriskin cboriskin@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
>> Have you tried APF? It is amazing!<<

What is APF?

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10



On Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:42 AM, "Michelle Peck Williams fionn@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:
 




Have you tried APF? It is amazing!  It helps with the muscle wasting and lethargy.   My horse does WAY better on it.  

Additionally, I spent years researching feed and finally found Stabul 1 from NuZu.  My horse has done great on this feed and I would highly recommend it!  Some of the other ones say they are low starch but aren’t low enough—at least they weren’t for us.  

Michelle Peck Williams & Fionn
Lexington, Kentucky USA
Joined June 2012
fionn@...

Case history:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/files/Michelle%20Peck%20Williams/

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On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:29 AM, mywisky@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:


I too am dealing with significant muscle loss. First feed I could find was Nutrena Safe Choice Original (controlled starch) to start switching him over from his org. mill mix (haven't gotten there yet) also am feeding their Empower Boost for fat. Haven't seen any improvement but am also dealing with very bad kidney function so, he's on 1 Prascend ( 8 days now) trying to find a balance for weight gain & low protein levels because of the kidney issue, haven't gotten there yet. Am too looking for the magic formula to feed that he will eat.
Darlene/Pa.
2/2015









Re: grain question

 

>> Have you tried APF? It is amazing!<<

What is APF?

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10



On Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:42 AM, "Michelle Peck Williams fionn@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:
 




Have you tried APF? It is amazing!  It helps with the muscle wasting and lethargy.   My horse does WAY better on it.  

Additionally, I spent years researching feed and finally found Stabul 1 from NuZu.  My horse has done great on this feed and I would highly recommend it!  Some of the other ones say they are low starch but aren’t low enough—at least they weren’t for us.  

Michelle Peck Williams & Fionn
Lexington, Kentucky USA
Joined June 2012
fionn@...

Case history:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/files/Michelle%20Peck%20Williams/

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On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:29 AM, mywisky@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:


I too am dealing with significant muscle loss. First feed I could find was Nutrena Safe Choice Original (controlled starch) to start switching him over from his org. mill mix (haven't gotten there yet) also am feeding their Empower Boost for fat. Haven't seen any improvement but am also dealing with very bad kidney function so, he's on 1 Prascend ( 8 days now) trying to find a balance for weight gain & low protein levels because of the kidney issue, haven't gotten there yet. Am too looking for the magic formula to feed that he will eat.
Darlene/Pa.
2/2015







A list for vets that will rx compounded pergolide

lj friedman
 

I was thinking that we might want to start a file where vets and their location write rx for compounded pergolide and members can see if there is a vet nearbye that they can use? lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: New Group Member - Need Assistance with my IR Cushings & PAINFUL Mare

Maggie
 

Hi Pam in MD!

Welcome to the group!  We are practically neighbors, as I live in VA--not too far down the road from Frederick, MD  I see that Lorna has already sent you an invitation to join ECH8, one of our sister groups where we store case histories (CH's).  We really need you to go and join that site and then put all this information about your mare into the CH form.  With over 12,000 members, it's the only way we can keep track of everyone's story.  Plus the CH form will prompt you to provide us with specific information that will help us to help you better.  Try not to feel overwhelmed--it may take you a little time to fill out, but it's all important information for us to help evaluate your situation.

In the meantime, I will tell you about the group's philosophy, called DDT/E, which stands for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.  Let me break it down and give you some details and why each step is so important.  When all four aspects are in place, you will see results, but it obviously cannot all be done overnight!  

OK, Diagnosis:  A very important first step!  You say that your mare was diagnosed with Cushing's (PPID) about a year and a half ago and started on Prascend.  And then in the fall that her levels were "off the charts".  It would be great if you could give us the exact numbers, or if you have a hard copy of the lab work, you can put it in you CH folder.  Additionally, there is a spot on the CH form where you fill in that information.  Not just the lab results are important, but the dates of the labwork are very important too.  All horses experience a seasonal rise in their ACTH in the fall, but PPID horses often experience an exaggerated and prolonged rise in their ACTH during the seasonal rise, which puts them at risk for fall laminitis.  In fact, fall laminitis is often the first sign of PPID.  Because PPID horses have this exaggerated rise in their ACTH during the fall, they require close monitoring of symptoms and ACTH levels to make sure that the dose of Prascend (pergolide) is keeping their ACTH under control.  You can read more about the seasonal rise on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/cushing-s-disease/seasonal-rise Once we have more information about the labs you have, we can help you better.

Additionally, many PPID horses are also IR (insulin resistant).  IR is not a disease, but a metabolic body type that are usually described as "easy keepers."  You mare's breed is one that is prone to be IR.  SO--you have a double whammy--already a diagnosis of PPID and most likely a diagnosis of IR as well.  To know for sure we recommend these four tests from a single blood draw:  ACTH, insulin, glucose and leptin levels on a NON-fasting horse, preferably sent to Cornell.  They are the only lab in the US that does leptin levels.  The leptin helps to differentiate, when the insulin is elevated, if the horse is IR at baseline, or if the ACTH is "driving" the insulin up.  The blood requires very specific handling as the ACTH degrades very quickly.  The details about how the blood should be drawn and handled can be found on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis 

So, a horse can have just PPID, just IR or both.  The reason we need to find out is that PPID is treated with medicine, pergolide, which you are already doing with the Prascend, and IR is treated with diet.  A horse that has both PPID and IR would need both pergolide and a carefully controlled diet for the rest of it's life.  Because an elevated ACTH can make the insulin high all PPID horses should be treated as though they are IR until proven (through labwork) otherwise.  So that brings me to the Diet part of our philosophy. Before I go into the details of the Diet, let me just say that while this is the diet that we recommend for an IR horse, it is actually the best way to feed any horse, and is particularly important for PPID horses as it  supports their "challenged" immune systems.  Ok, on to the details of the Diet!

The Diet that we recommend is a forage based low sugar/starch (under 10% sugar + starch), low fat (under 4%) mineral balanced diet.  So we use tested low sugar starch (under 10% sugar+starch) grass hay and then we add minerals to balance the hay to the analysis and to replace what is lost during the hay curing process we add Vitamin E and ground flax seed.  You want to feed 1.5-2% of you mare's BW in low sugar starch hay divided up into several small feedings/day.  We love the small mesh hay nets to slow down the sometimes voracious appetite that many IR horses have.  Here's the lab that we recommend for hay testing:  http://equi-analytical.com/  You want the #603, trainer's package for $54.  Once you get your hay tested one of our balancing folk can help you with balancing the minerals.  In the meantime, until you can get your hay tested we recommend that you start the emergency diet.  Details can be found on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diet  It does involve soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water to remove up to about 30% of the sugar content.  Make sure you dump the sugary water where the horse(s) cannot get to it!  I know it's snowing up there right now and COLD, because it is here too.  And believe me the thought of having to soak hay is not an appealing one to me or anyone else on this list who has had to do so in the middle of winter!  Been there, and done it!  But it's extremely important to get her on a low sugar starch diet right now.  She needs to be in "intensive care" for now.  And getting her ACTH under control, her Diet right, and her TRIM right are the 3 essential elements of getting her better!  So that brings us to the Trim part of our philosophy.

Trim:  A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot.  You said that you have a new farrier who follows Dr Kellon's protocols.  That's great!  One thing you do need to know is that a "rehab" trim is not going to look normal for quite some time.  And a new happy hoof does not happen overnight.  It may take a year or more for the foot to grow out and be normal again--longer even sometimes when there is sinking involved.  It's a commitment that you certainly sound willing to make!  I would strongly urge you to post pictures and any xrays that you have for one of our hoof gurus to evaluate your mare's trim.  Please follow the guidelines on this site below that explains how to take good hoof photos.


And then post the pictures and xrays to the PHOTOS section of ECH8, the group where you fill out your CH.

OK, on to Exercise--the best IR buster there is!  BUT!  A laminitic horse should never be forced to move!!!  Since your mare is foot sore, she needs to be in boots and pads to try and get her more comfortable.  Have you got boots and pads yet?  We can make some recommendations in that area.  Just let us know.

Now, a few more things I want to address.  I have personal experience with Dr Reilly and his HEIRO and other recommendations.  Without going into the grim details, let me just say this.  The HEIRO does nothing, and the recommendation to put your horse on both previcox and bute at the same time is a dangerous combination that can certainly set her up for ulcers.  In fact, we don't recommend bute after the first few days of laminitis because it interferes with the healing process.  But the bute needs to be weaned off not stopped cold turkey.  Read this post by Nancy for more information and please follow the links in the post for more information on how to wean the bute to avoid a NSAID "rebound" effect.


Please stop the ADM Growstrong as well.  There are very few "bagged" feeds that are safe for your horse.  At this point, the emergency diet is your best option.  Once you get your hay tested, we will help you to get your diet balanced.  We know this all sounds like a paradigm shift in horse keeping practices that most people are used to. It does all become second nature and then you will not remember life before ECIR.  

I forgot to mention when I was talking about the diet that as import as what you do feed is what you DON'T feed!  NO pasture, even dead looking winter grass.  NO sugary treats, including apples and carrots.  No molasses or molasses containing foods or supplements.  No grain.  No brown/red salt blocks.  They contain minerals that will interfere with balancing and also iron which we don't want.  Most IR horse are iron overloaded, but we won't go into the details of that right now.  Let's just get your mare some immediate help and we will explore all of they why's of everything as we go along.  Meanwhile, I would strongly encourage you to study all the parts of our website.  Also, there is a TON of information in our files and also in the archived messages.  I dare say, any question you could think to ask has been answered at some point in time and a "search" of the conversations will get you many results.  Don't let that stop you from asking questions though!!

One more thing and I will close this book for the night.  Coming to this group for help with a PPID/IR horse is like bringing your horse to a specialist.  Though they may be well rounded, lots of vets are not up to speed on the latest information about PPID and IR.  Dr. Kellon is the expert in this field and this group provides the largest field trial of horses with these conditions.  We have a lot more information to offer you about how to help your horse.  We are just a click away!  Hang in there, Pam!  And please do take the time to read the website, the files and messages.  There is a wealth of knowledge to be gained there and knowledge is empowerment!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/



Re: Questions re joining and Neo

Dee Kenville <ndeewoods@...>
 

I had no issues at all. I have a mac, not sure if that makes a diff...but I was able to join and upload everything easily and I am not super techy.


Re: New Group Member - Need Assistance with my IR Cushings & PAINFUL Mare

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Pam,

You will soon receive a detailed 'welcome/recommendations' post from one of our First Responders.
I just wanted to welcome you,too,and ask you to fill out our case history form,so that the volunteers (and you) will have all your information in one place,and can refer to it as needed.
I have sent you an invitation to Case History 8.Instructions are there as to how to proceed.
This will give you a head start.
Am happy you have dumped the Heiro product.You can read about it in our Archives.Do a Search for Heiro ,in the Search Conversations box.

I'm sorry you have to be here,but you have come to the right place to help your mare.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


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New Group Member - Need Assistance with my IR Cushings & PAINFUL Mare

bark@...
 

Hi, I am new to the group.  I would very much appreciate any assistance that I can get relative to my 16-year old Morgan/Standardbred X Mare.  She was diagnosed with Laminitis in 2008.  Since then she has been in and out of bouts with pain.  Various shoes, pads, etc., have been placed on her.  About a year and a half ago she was diagnosed with Cushings.  She has been on Prescend (1 Tablet a day) until this past Fall when blood work was taken and her levels were off the charts.  As a result my Vet placed her on 1 Tablet of Prescent twice per day.  Several trims later and she continued to decline experiencing additional pain.  At that time my Vet prescribed Bute at 1 gm 2x per day.  Although her pain was a bit lessened she still had some pain present.  At that time per a local equine nutritionist I contacted Dr. Frank Reilly in West Chester, PA.  He suggested that I had Previcox to her medication regimen in addition to a product that he developed by the name of Herio.  I followed this protocol with no change with the exception of about a week and a half when transitioning to the Herio and Previcox.  At that time my horse did a 360 in that she was freely walking around and very animated.  Unfortunately that was short lived.  She declined again.  At this point I was back in touch with Dr. Reilly.  He then suggested that I add Gabapentin to her protocol.  His suggestion was a dosage of 8 (600 mg) tablets three times per day.  In running this by my primary Vet he suggested to lessen this amount to only twice a day.  As such, I did so.  Fast forward a few weeks later and no change.  It is also important to note that at that time Dr. Reilly suggested that I place my horse on a high protein diet.  She was previously receiving a cup twice per day of a 14% low carb pelleted diet along with hay that had previously been tested and found to contain little to any carbs/starches/values.  Dr. Reilly suggested ADM Grostrong Mintrate at 33% protein at 1-1/2 cups twice per day.  I in fact changed her diet and have yet to see any changes.  Fast forward to this week when I contacted my Vet in order to obtain another set of x-rays and blood work (x-rays in December showed a no further rotation from previous x-rays, but that Bailey had sunk a bit).  The x-rays from this week to December showed a 6mm sinking from the December x-rays.  Bailey's heavy front rotation was found back in 2008 when she was first diagnosed.  I believe that the rotation is 14 in one and 16 or so in the other.  After the Vet visit of this week the Vet on duty went back to her office to discuss my horses' situation with the practice owner.  I received a call stating that I should put my horse down.  That no amount of diet, trimming nor medications will help her.  As such, I went in search of a second opinion.  I contacted Dr. Steve O'Grady located in VA.  Dr. Reilly took a look at the x-rays and stated that he too agreed with my primary Vet's assessment in that I should put my horse down.  I then reached out to another vet at the recommendation of some friends.  I also reached out to a new Farrier who follows Dr. Kellon's protocols.  The new Veterinarian will be coming to my home on Thursday, and the Farrier came by yesterday.  The Farrier was able to do some trimming, but due to my horses' pain she is going to have to do the trimming in small doses.  As a result of the trim my horse was in the front of her stall when I went to the barn this morning, whereas she is usually in the back.  She was also more animated.  She is still expressing a great amount of pain.  My horse is not down.  As a matter of fact she is upright most all of the time.  I have a NibbleNet that she eats out off.  She is not overweight.  Although she was about six to eight months ago.  Since then she has actually lost a good amount of weight.  Her hay ration consists of about five leaves/flakes twice per day.  As a result of my Vet's visit of this past week, the Vet told me to take my horse off of Previcox and the Herio product, and to cut the Prescend to one tablet one time per day, and she added 1gm of Bute 2x per day.  Note that I have not lowered her Prescend dosage until which time I receive the results of the blood work.  I am very much dedicated to all of my animals and will do whatever humanely possible to help/save them.  Any advise would be greatly appreciated.  I am in this for the long haul.   Many thanks in advance.  Pam, Frederick, MD, USA


Re: Questions

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 


"I didn't get an invite to join ECHistory8. Truthfully, I hesitate to join because I see the problems everyone has with Neo and I am not computer savvy in the least nor do I have that much time to try and figure it out. It seems extremely time consuming and complicated to me. I have no problem giving you the info on my horses however. I can never access links etc or my Yahoo account for that matter. Maybe I need to start the entire process over again? 


Hi Maryanne,
Most members are directed to ECHistory8 either by reading the documents sent to them upon joining.  Others ask for it here and are given the link  or are sent an invitation by email. :-)

I totally understand you are overwhelmed by what seems to be a mountain of new learning.  Hang in there.  Many of our members have had to learn to use computers, Yahoo (aka Neo) while trying to get a handle on PPID and IR.  And of course, everyone is busy, including the volunteers. The good news is that we have how to documents all over the place to  help members who need help with some basic computer/internet skills.  The can help do everything from make signatures to tell you what keys to use when using Word to fill out a case history.   

Sorry, you can't just tell us about your horse.  A complete case history is needed.  Simply telling us would lack vital details and take weeks of back and forth questions to obtain.  Besides, while helping horses is the main goal of the ECIR, The ECIR is more about helping horse owners educate themselves so they can make sound equine management decisions. 

Filling out a case history is work but try to think it as an investment in your horse's health.  If you need help getting Yahoo to work for you,  privately email me at ECIR.Archives (at) gmail (dot) com.  I'll do all I can to get you functioning online so your horse gets the help s/he needs.  

-LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

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Re: grain question

fionn@...
 

Have you tried APF? It is amazing!  It helps with the muscle wasting and lethargy.   My horse does WAY better on it.  

Additionally, I spent years researching feed and finally found Stabul 1 from NuZu.  My horse has done great on this feed and I would highly recommend it!  Some of the other ones say they are low starch but aren’t low enough—at least they weren’t for us.  

Michelle Peck Williams & Fionn
Lexington, Kentucky USA
Joined June 2012
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On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:29 AM, mywisky@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:


I too am dealing with significant muscle loss. First feed I could find was Nutrena Safe Choice Original (controlled starch) to start switching him over from his org. mill mix (haven't gotten there yet) also am feeding their Empower Boost for fat. Haven't seen any improvement but am also dealing with very bad kidney function so, he's on 1 Prascend ( 8 days now) trying to find a balance for weight gain & low protein levels because of the kidney issue, haven't gotten there yet. Am too looking for the magic formula to feed that he will eat.
Darlene/Pa.
2/2015



Re: Ontario/Triple Crown Timothy Balance Cubes

hinecedark
 

Hi Jean,

I get my ODTBC from Wallace Grain in Sheridan as well. I believe it's the only place in IN that carries them, although you might be able to find someplace closer to you in IL. I buy ten bags at a time ($30.77 per bag) because by doing that I get "free" delivery (they're the same price if you pick up). I'm not quite as far from them as you, SW of Indy, and I believe it has to do with whether they have other deliveries to make in your area. Just thought I'd let you know, as it can't hurt to ask.

Melinda

IN  2010



Re: hay testing

Pamela Bramell
 

Darlene,  

Welcome to the list!  The moderators can help you and your horse.  They have helped me immensely.  I have 2 insulin resistant, one prone to insulin resistance and a blind cushings guy who are all doing well with the protocol from this group. 

I lived in Warren for several years, so understand the "backwoods" area well.  I adopted one of my IR horses from Julia that lives about an hour from you.  She was on this list a few years ago.  I have contacted Julia to see if she could perhaps help you source some things (hay, hay probe, feed, etc).  Will post on here when I hear back from her.

Hang in okay?  I still have relatives in Warren, small world isn't it?

Pam in Va
Story/Frosty/Butters/Shaqiraj
12/10 


Re: hay testing

mywisky@...
 

Thanks Vicki but i'm up in the NW corner of Pa, (Warren) about an 1hr + of Erie if you know that area


Re: hay testing

reypunky@...
 

Darlene,

There are a few of us in PA that might be able to loan you a corer. I'm in berks county. Are you anywhere near me?

Vicki
SE/PA 11/02


Re: New test results on IR, PPID 11 year old gelding ( poor appetite & sore footed now stiff all over)

corrine haffner
 

Hi Jaini ,Dr kellon  


So the sore footed has progressed to being stiff in hindend,appetite has gone from eating pretty well to,not wanting his grass hay now. 

Will eat alfalfa hay kinda picks at it throughout the day,i know not ideal but that's what he'll eat right now. Refuses to eat pellets with supplements mixed in,so syringing his pergolide in last day or so. Was able to get doxy from my small animal vet today,gave first dose. He's showing more symptoms every day.

Trying to get him back on grass hay, mixed it with the alfalfa and he just picks out the alfalfa leaves the grass hay untouched. Any idea on how to get him eating grass hay again?  Was starting doxy a good idea? its capsules 100mg  15 capsules twice a day does that sound right???  Jasper is 1200 lbs maybe more he's pretty round looking.  With doxy treatment now have to worry about ulcer flare up,is U Guard pellets a good choice to help prevent ulcer flare ups? He tends to have issues with antibiotics and ulcers,not sure i have that in his case history.


There are some hoof pictures on echistory8 they aren't real current though. 

Thank you for your help,
Corrine and Jasper
in Minnesota






















Re: Hay corer and Welcome

mywisky@...
 

Hi Mandy, no I didn't receive it.  Did call the lab & I can do a grab on the hay, might not be the best way but right now it's the best I can do, have to find the dairy guys & I don't think around here in the backwoods of Pa & NY they test hay.  Am going to try this weekend to see what I can find, not going to be able to get sample this week anyway, will be working on snow blowing & at least it is going to warm up & the sun is out but chill is still horrid.

 

Thanks!

Darlene in Pa

2-2015


Hay corer and Welcome

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Darlene,
Did you receive the Welcome I sent you last night?   My computer decided to revolt at the same time!
 
Regarding getting a hay sample.  Call around to different dairy farms and see if they have one you can borrow.  Be sure to wash it first and then put the one inch samples in a new clean gallon baggie.   We don’t want any contamination.   IF a dairy farm doesn’t have one,  call a hay farmer.  Its possible one of the members on the lis in PA  has one you could use.    Worst scenario is sticking your hand in a bale and pulling some out.   You really wont get a good sample that way.   When  you send it to EA,   send one quart keeping most of the sample at home in a safe place incase you need to resubmit for any reason.  I learned that the hard way!
 
Hang in there.  It gets easier.  
 
Order the Trainer # 603 for $54.  Core 20 % of your hay.
 
Mandy in VA


hay testing

mywisky@...
 

 is there any other way to test hay besides buying one of those hay testing probe tube things?  Our ext. office doesn't have one & really didn't know what I was talking about.  And if I'm understanding the info on the hay testing pdf you ask for the trainer pkg test can't remember the number had 2 many widows open & computer went bonkers.

 

Thanks,

Darlene in Pa

Feb 2015


Re: Questions

Michele Cameron
 

Hi... ahorn555 sorry, couldn't find your name...
we found his cushings because I noticed a coat pattern on his neck. He is red sorrel, I've seen it on other horses for sale and now I know it is indicative of cushings for them.  Would you be able to describe this hair pattern for me, or post a photo?   Any signs of Cushings would be good to know.
thanks, Michele & Elijah Mustang, Everson, Wa Jan2015


Re: grain question

mywisky@...
 

Nancy C in NH

 hope this is ok can't seem to reply on my email buttons

His history is

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Darlene%20and%20Wisky/  he is boarded in Clymer, NY  aslo forgot to add that his teeth were done 1-26-15
As you can see he is on presend 1 pill a day 9 days now  I have his test results from Cornell haven't scanned his last bloodwork & he hasn't been ACTH retested as he hasn't been on it all that long.  Also have scanned his org grain mix.  the Nutrena was the best I could come up with at the time & he is not liking it at all so is not switched over & have 5 bags of it.  Most of what we have around here is grain mills, Tractor Supply has some special feeds but they are not dependable to keep it stocked so you may be out for a while.  And for beet pulp, no he won't eat it, i ask a lot from the stable where he is at but soaking beet pulp can't be one of them, she works also beside keeping my 3 with hers.  No have not had hay tested, it's a timothy & grass mix & every bale can be different.
 
Thanks,
Darlene in PA
Feb 2015


Re: Ontario/Triple Crown Timothy Balance Cubes

Camie Swanson-Hull <camiehull19@...>
 

Hi Jean, 

Wallace Grain in Sheridan does.  

Camie
Fishers IN



On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jean Testa-Davis jtestadavis@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

Hello:
I am located near Terre Haute, IN and am having difficulty finding the balance cubes.  Is there anyone in the group from IN or east central IL that knows of any store carrying the product?

Thank you
Jean and Bubba (my 2nd Cushing Horse.....30yr)

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