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Re: Cetyl M Complete and IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Nancy,

What exactly are you trying to address?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Cetyl M Complete and IR

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi Dr. Kellon, I did put Vinnie on Phyto-quench and am wondering if it has a loading period to see results?

If Cetyl M doesn't have proven results, I won't put the money there because boy it got pricey since Manna Pro took it over! 

I ordered the Uckele Hemp Joint product, so if that helps I may go to the PQ w/o devils claw if the Hemp Joint works. How much Devils claw is too much?

BTW I absolutely love Uckele's products!! Finally a one stop shop where I can get all the things for the horses that make them look and feel amazing!

Thanks 
Nancy and Vinnie
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855


Re: Hay Analysis/Balancing

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Christi,

Here is the link to the list of people who do balancing:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing/HAY%20BALANCING.pdf

You can contact anyone on the list to find their rate. Another option is to base you supplementation on an average of what you have done in the past. Not ideal but better than not doing it at all.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: High insulin and glucose

Tara Cantle
 

Hi guys I’m still having real trouble filling 8n case history, I can now down load the form but can’t fill anything in on it 🤔🙁
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Tara and Poser
UK, November 2018
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82565


Weight loss need higher dose?

Bobbie Day
 

Dr. K / All
Is weight loss always always a sign of needing a increase of Prascend?  Desi is doing well, barefoot most of the time now, nothing has changed in her diet . I am trying to get her exercised as much as possible, but she seems to be getting a little ribby to me. Maybe it’s just because I’m used to seeing my horses “fat”. I’ve searched the files and the consensus seems to be a increase is needed?
We’re going to be doing another trim this weekend I’ll try to get some updated pictures. I’m planning on getting the vet here in the next couple weeks for new X-rays and bloodwork. I really hate to increase, but I guess bloodwork is the only way to tell?
I don’t think I will have her shots done this year.  Another question though,can mulberry pods be harmful? I can’t find anything on it. She has a huge mulberry tree for shade and it’s dropping pods like crazy, and since she thinks she’s starving 😊
not fruit just pods.
thanks  

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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Stormy's New Lab Results

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Marie,

Can you please put the link for Stormy's CH in your signature?  It's https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Marie%20and%20Stormy

To do this: 

1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for the window that has your name, general location, and year of joining.

3) Add the link to your CH below your signature

NOTE:  Make sure you make the link live" by adding a space after your link or hitting enter on your keyboard will turn it blue.

4) IMPORTANT: Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!

Insulinwise, as already mentioned is questionable as far as effectiveness.  Better would be following the group's diet guidelines for an IR horse and seeing if you can get her insulin and glucose numbers down that way.





Re: Psyllium (was payllium)

Lorna Cane
 

For example,   "Psyllium may interfere with absorption of minerals and medications."

Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002


 


Re: Cabergoline not available—emergency—Dr. Kellon

LJ Friedman
 

Spoke with BET today. They said all orders that have been on back order will be shipped today.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Psyllium (was payllium)

Lorna Cane
 

Deborah,type psyllium into the Search box. You'll see Dr. Kellon's comments about psyllium,and possible interference with mineral mix.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002


 


Re: trying again soaked hay

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Daisy,

Soaking information is on the website at  https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php.  You shouldn't be feeding more than they can eat at any one time but if you're talking about soaking and then letting it sit before feeding, you want to do that in the shade when it's hot out so it doesn't ferment in the sun.  




Re: trying again soaked hay

Bobbie Day
 

Daisy
I am in a VERY hot area of SE Utah, I believe the guidelines are 30 min hot water and 60 in cold.
We soak a little longer than that, put the hay inside a hay net then soak in a smaller rubber trough then hang it from our tree to drip a couple hours then spread it out either on a wire mesh fence or on the ground then feed within 24 hours. We’re already in the 90’s and typically are in the low to mid hundreds in late summer. We’ve never had any problems with the hay spoiling.


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Bobbie and Desi
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Psyllium (was payllium)

LJ Friedman
 

Don’t quote me, but I think Dr. kellon  was more concerned with medications being kept away when giving psyllium.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Stormy's New Lab Results

LJ Friedman
 

I tried insulin wise to no effect . It is returnable. So be sure to use that option if you see it doesn’t work
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Stormy's New Lab Results

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Marie,

Here's the link to the CH for Stormy,which you began initially.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/filessearch?q=Marie+and+stormy

If you can go to Subscription, and add it to your signature,making sure it's live(blue),and remembering to hit Save, it will appear automatically at the end of every message you post.

I don't think Insulinwise is proving to be very effective, but if you type it into the Search box, a lot of messages will appear,discussing it.

--

Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002


 


Psyllium (was payllium)

Deborah Ide
 

Awhile ago I read a post that suggested psyllium not be fed with the horse's regular feed as it might interfere with absorption of nutrients. Looking back at posts, I see no reference to that idea. Which is correct? Feed with regular ration or feed before or after?(and if so, how long before or after and what are others doing to get horses to eat it? I do not think my horses will eat it unless it is mixed with their regular ration and even then sometimes they leave some). Advice?
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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https:/ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Stormy's New Lab Results

Marie
 

Hello All!

My mare was first diagnosed with PPID back in 2018  ACTH was 37pg/ml with a post test of 788pg/ml completed 7-18-18

Horse has been on 1 mg Pergolide daily since.

Retest done 4-21-20 with what I am being told is an Equine Metabolic Panel.  Results from Cornell University.

ATCH     12.8 pg/ml    Normal 9-35
Insulin    135.3ulL/ml  Normal 10-40
Leptin     22.8ng/mL   Normal 1-10
T3           66.8 ng/dl    Normal 30-80

Vet has put horse on Insulin Wise.  What do you know about this product?  Is it helpful?  Side effects?  The vet says it will help and we are keeping the horse on the Pergolide as it is indeed helping.  I will be updating my horses case history soon.  Just a lot of new information to take in.
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Marie Czarnek 
June 2018 - Custer, SD


Hay Analysis/Balancing

Christi Lyon
 

Hi all,

I have always had Dr Kellon do my balancing recommendations (I have taken the classes but do not trust my math) I have always bought a years worth of hay at once but due to current circumstances cannot. I have a hay analysis on some hay that I can buy but since I will only be getting 3 months or so worth it just isn’t cost effective to pay for balancing even though it makes me nervous. Can those who do balancing PM me their fees?
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Christi Lyon
Feb 2017
Aiken,SC
Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Christi%20and%20Wentworth .

Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8510


Re: thin soles on ppid ir horses

 

The ONLY time it is sort of ok to touch the sole is to remove retained sole.  Retain sole is what it sounds like.  Retained.  Most soles ware off the old sole.  In certain times of the year, summer/fall the sole does not shed normally.  It will keep growing and fill in the concavity. This is usually fine.  Then you will see fracture lines.  These fracture lines let in moisture, which softens up the dead retained sole.  At this point, you or the trimmer can pop them off with nippers, knife or hoof pick.  If you see fracture lines and want to help the old sole shed, stand horse in water or use soaking boots. Other than retain sole, there is NO reason to remove Any live sole. There can be lumps and bumps around the frog/heel area.  If they are passive (not hitting the ground when the wall does)  Leave them.  When I see this on a horse, i sight down heel to toe.  If they are to high, i may shave off a little.

If your farrier or trimmer does not respect your wishes to NOt touch the sole. Find a new one!

One time i actually saw a farrier use butane torch to soften the sole so he could carve more out, to make a domb!  Can you imagine?  That poor horse.
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Diann Kuzma
One Hoof at a Time
Medford, OR
Joined 2018


trying again soaked hay

Daisy Shepherd
 

what guidelines for length of time to soak  and how long can it be put out before horse actually eats it especially in hot temperatures like 100 degrees. thank you, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: New lab work

 

Jan, I would be happy to try to help you get your Case History updated if you want to contact me privately.  I cannot do the updating myself but I can give you instructions more specific to your device and level of computer literacy if that would help.  Presenting your updated details in a post can be problematic as they get buried so quickly and deeply.
I’m not sure why your vets would think managing your horse’s health effectively would increase their liability.  Have you shared with them the details on this site?  Gastric ulcers are what clued my vet into testing my horse for PPID at a youngish age, long before I was aware of the ECIR group.  There is an enormous amount of information that vets need to stay updated on — sometimes I feel I can help them out a bit with things I’ve learned along the way.  As with everything, some are more appreciative than others.  
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

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