Date   

Re: administering Invokana

Kim Rice <kimberztaz@...>
 

Hi I didn't see Jesse's response.  Are you saying that you put the pill with a handful of whatever pellets/acceptable grain?
--
Kim R, Lafayette, CA  2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Shomee


Re: Devils Claw

 

I haven't tried the J-herb AAKG protocol yet. I would like to but I haven't quite figured how or if I could manage the dosage twice a day. Also have to consider funds and what will give Marquise the best bang for my buck. I would love some insight into this predicament if any of you have thoughts on that? Will that protocol slow the progression of the DSLD or actually provide some pain relief for him.

Just ordered the Hemp and J-herb from Uckele because I know I can handle those dosages, its the keeping AAKG from water that has me a bit puzzled since all of Marquise's food is soaked. Would it be worth it to add some DC in with that for additional pain relief or would money be better spent on the AAKG and figuring out how to dose it?

There was a question about if he is only uncomfortable for trims. I can tell in his eyes he is maintaining a fairly constant state of discomfort, but since he only meanders around the pasture it is noticeable the most during trims and by his lack of spunk and playfulness.
--
Amber, Calliber and now Marquise
Upstate SC
Joined in 2019

NRCPlus Jan 2019
CIR 2019
DEW 2019

Calliber Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Calliber
Calliber Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=82557

Marquise's Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Amber%20and%20Marquise
Marquise's Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91447


Re: Cetyl M Complete and IR

celestinefarm
 

Nancy, 
Unless you can get the company to tell you what "REvitalize Proprietary Blend contains, there is no way to answer you for certain. Response was acquired by Manna Pro in 2018 according to a Google search. I doubt though, that Manna Pro will release the ingredients in Revitalize. If I had to guess from the name and the claim it helps with "focus", it might be either resveratrol or Vit B complex. Just a guess. 
--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Cetyl M Complete and IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Looks OK but you should know that cetyl myristoleate has not been shown to be of any benefit.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: New lab work

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You didn't mention increasing pergolide. The abnormal ACTH wouldn't be alfalfa related. Are you doing that?
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Cetyl M Complete and IR

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi Dr Kellon, and all,  I used to feed Cetyl M from Response products on Vinnie but stopped because of the glucosamine and molasses.  They have a new formula called Cetyl M complete that is supposed to be designed around IR horse.  Here is the ingredient list.  Is there anything ingredient prohibited for IR?

  • 5500 mg of Cetyl Myristoleate Complex
  • 2000 mg of Calcium
  • 1000 mg Magnesium
  • 375 mg Re-Vitalize™ Proprietary Blend
  • Based with CoolStance® Coconut Copra Meal*
  • Natural Apple flavoring

Thanks in advance

--
Nancy and Vinnie
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855


Re: New lab work

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Your results are a good example of why leptin is not 100% reliable. His ACTH has not changed significantly while leptin was normal before treatment and now is high. Has he gained weight? I would remove everything in his  diet that he was not getting at the time of his last test and don't wait too long to retest. You need to get the ACTH down long before the seasonal rise starts.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


New lab work

Jan Petersen
 

Hi, I just received RC’s spring bloodwork results. His glucose was 135mg/dL and his insulin was 117.69ulU/ml. Both results are higher than his pre treatment and diagnosis levels, so I am gravely concerned. His ACTH was 56.4pg/ml and his Leptin was 24.01ng/ml. His leptin was also significantly higher than previous levels. For comparison in October, 2019 his glucose was 83, insulin was 39.47, ACTH was 52.5 and leptin was 5.92. He has always been allowed hay prior to his bloodwork, but no grain or supplements. I found out he was given alfalfa cubes with his supplement RelyneGI ( an HA supplement from Hagyard Pharmacy) I am planning on repeating his bloodwork to confirm results with only hay prior to lab work, but my vet doesn’t think it needs done urgently, as he is asymptomatic. There have been no other changes in his diet. He is on free choice tested hay( <10% carbs/ sugar), he is in a dry lot. Stabul 1 grain with 1 cup of triple crown 30. ( 3/4 lb grain am and pm) California Trace mineral supplement, teaspoon of salt am and pm, vitamin e 2000 and occasional flax only treats. Any suggestions until I have his blood redrawn? I called Hagyard pharmacy and they don’t think there is a contraindication for their supplement for IR horses. The only symptom he had over the winter was increased sweating. We resolved that with clipping and blanket changes. 


Thank you!! Any help will be greatly appreciated!! I love my boy!! 

Jan Petersen
--
Jan and RC
Stockertown, PA, USA
Feb 2018
RC Case History
RC Photos 


Re: Devils Claw

Frances C.
 

My  arthritic/DSLD/PPID mare has been on devil's claw  extract powder for over a year at 1100 mg active ingredient twice a day. I read somewhere that it reaches its peak effectivness in 2-3 hours. On 3.21.2020 I ran out of it and did not get more until 4.2.2020 - about 10 days later. When she was off DC she was noticibly more lame but when it was reintroduced there was no improvement. I kept her on DC and added added 57 mg of previcox for 13 days and saw an immediate improvement. When I discontinued the previcox the DC seemed to re-established itself as a fairly effective pain reducer. However at the same time the weather got quite a bit warmer. I hope this info. is useful to somebody. I am keeping my fingers crossed but just in case I ordered Ukelele daily hemp pellets as a back-up. As to move-ease, I hesitate as ingredients are not listed and phyto quench has ingredients that she just will not consume, mainly tumeric and boswellia. She is also on HA and Jherb. I have also tried bute to see if it was useful when trimming was scheduled but it made no apparent difference in the mare's ability to lift her hind leg. Once it is up she stands quietly on three legs until the trim is over and then we have to grasp the leg and push the hoof back down to the ground.
--
- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Syndiego is PPID

Cindy Lawbaugh
 

My understanding of the IR interpretation from the lab results, is that if Leptin is WNL, than likely the IR is due to PPID as opposed to EMS.   That's what my vet said, along with the Cornell report.   And if that is the case, should I expect the IR to improve once he's on Prascend?    Also, the ACTH of 57.2, is there a scale of "severity" with PPID, or is it like pregnancy - you either are or you're not.
--
Cindy
N.Illinois
Dec 2019

Syndiego Case History Folder https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Syndiego
Syndiego Photo Album            https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=236429


Re: thin soles on ppid ir horses

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Pentosan is primarily for cartilage protection and synovial inflammation. It probably won't do enough alone.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: equine leg magic

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

It's just routine vitamins and minerals - with no analysis to let you know how much. Skip it.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: thin soles on ppid ir horses

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

One of the problems is that the majority of farriers cannot refrain from removing something from the sole and frog at every trim, whether it is actually needed by that particular horse or not. They attempt to carve concavity into the sole, missing the point that concavity is formed by the horse NOT the knife. If there is no concavity, it tells you the sole is already too thin, so leave it alone. The amount of concavity on a particular horse will change with the seasons and the footing that it spends the most time on. This is normal adaptation to the surfaces, not something that automatically means removing more sole to creatre the exact same "dome" at all times.

In general, if a horse has thin soles, it is highly likely they will never need to be touched again, esp. if the horse is barefoot and being trimmed on a regular schedule. Your horse is much safer if you err on the side of too much sole rather than too little.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: thin soles on ppid ir horses

LJ Friedman
 


-- thanks for reply.   im restarting pemf today. bemer. will look at tildren.   thinking of pentosan?
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: thin soles on ppid ir horses

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

"Ringbone"  just means a firm swelling in the general area of the pastern.  In its mildest form it is only a proliferation of bone on the dorsal/front surface of the pastern bone and causes few problems when it settles down. More problematic is ringbone that is actually arthritis of the coffin joint or pastern joint. Majestic has all three and the earliest changes date back to 2016.

If it was just the pastern you could aim for joint fusion but the coffin joint cannot be fused. Therapy directed at cartilage isn't likely to give good results at this stage. You could ask your vet about bisphosphonates like Tildren.

Another option is PEMF - pulsed electromagnetic therapy - or magnetic bell boots lined with a woman's panti liner that is soaked with Sore-No-More.

Trim - trim - trim, etc.

I have no proof of any connection but I am always struck by the similarity between ringbone and the joint changes of hemochromatosis (iron overload)

https://prod-images-static.radiopaedia.org/images/35644268/5e90e7b667378ba9c0a3b42c5b6316.jpg
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: equine leg magic

Sherry Morse
 

Hi LJ,

If you have your hay balanced you won't need to buy something commercial like this which is basically throwing a whole bunch of stuff that may or may not do anything into one supplement.




thin soles on ppid ir horses

LJ Friedman
 

I know from my Horses, I’m always told they have thin soles. And many others get that same report. Is there a cut and fast rule where you can tell the Farrier please, you are never to touch this horse’s soles  ever. You can never remove anything ever ever ever. Is that something valid? Are there times when the sole must be touched? Or can they never be touched ever ever ever?. Knowing toes will have to come back. Does that affect ever touching sole.  thanks. 
--
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


equine leg magic

LJ Friedman
 

Did a search this product and didn’t see much. Is there anyone using it?

http://www.equinelegmagic.net/equine_leg_magic_ingredients.html

--
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Ringbone diagnosis 6 mo after laminitis

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Hi LJ,

I've added the the rads to Majestic's album:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79088&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

It would help if you add the link to his album to your signature.

Yes, the ringbone has progressed - less then optimal trim has been a big contributor. The thin soles have been  problem for some time - it's likely just become more obvious with the change in footing. Also have sinking, which has also been present since at least 2016. Toes are too long, heels are underrun. HPAs are broken back, which is putting added stress on the tendons/ligaments and aggravating the ringbone.
 
All of this should sound familiar as they are the same issues that have plagued Jesse's trims.
 
Shoes won't fix anything, they'll just hide the issues - and likely make them worse over time - as the trim will tend to deteriorate. Boots should make him more comfortable right now as they will protect his soles from concussion and abrasion, while giving them time to thicken. It won't help if the farrier keeps removing sole and doesn't get the toes backed up. As Dr. Kellon said, getting (and keeping) the trim correct will have the biggest impact on his comfort and soundness now and in the future.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: pentosan for ppid horses

Patti Shores
 

Read through it, it can be used IM.
--
Patti and Penny 
Washington, USA
May 2017 (this time)
Case History

10901 - 10920 of 256868