if i need to be responsible for soaking my horses hay in a boarding situation,  if i soak, dump the water is it safe to let the wet hay  sit in his paddock on a mat for 1 or 2 hours before he is brought in to eat; in summer  our temps are up to 100 and in winter can be below zero but not often.  thank you  for all of your many experiences  with these different questions.  daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0

I forgot to mention and I don't know whether or not this can somehow cause elevations: she is getting Regumate does it cause issues with blood glucose/insulin?

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Laura and Pabatsa in California
Feb 2012
Case History https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20a nd%20Pabatsa ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20and%20Pabatsa )
Pabatsa's Photos https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 )

Yes. The grass could be it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Thank you for your reply. Majestic is pretty much EMS appropriate diet wise, eating only teff hay, balanced with ukulele Custom supplements and Timothy pellets. My thinking is he does eat a small amount of grass that is available to him, I thinking that’s why his insulin is a little bit higher? he is walking better today.  the trainer comes on sunday to evaluate if he can be ridden.   if he is sore, i will ask farrier to visit on monday and take pix.  ( his 5 week trim is  next due 5/11) I did get a new Farrier. involved but he was sore before this Farrier. started work.  
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 

So I got a little confused too with the big differences in prices of chondriotin sulphate so I went online to do a bit of research. Two grades of the stuff - pharmaceutical grade and food grade. Also differences in molecular weight with the low molecular weight being more readily absorbed. The consesus seemed to be that most of the stuff is contaminated and contains much less of the ingredient than purported on the label - buyer beware!
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 06:31 PM, Eleanor Kellon, VMD wrote:

Ditte,

I just noticed one of your other comments. The chondroitin is for skin. It's Spirulina for respiratory issues.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

    OK thanks. I have misunderstood that then. But searching for chondroitin+respiratory does bring up results mentioning both spirulina and chondroitin, so that was a bit confusing.  Fortunately she seems to have "outgrown" the bugallergies (swelling, itching and yellow sticky liquid dripping from the area) she had when she was younger, or maybe there aren't many of the bugs that suck blood from the udder area left these days. 
 
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   Ditte
   Denmark
   June 2019

Thanks for the tips about checking Facebook.  I didn't receive an email from Hearty Pet about delays.

I did hear back from Chewy (I don't order through them, but they have 24/7 customer service) and they said they were expecting more May 1st.

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Cassie

March 2017

Washington

Ellie Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cassie%20and%20Ellie
Ellie Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10111

Ditte,

I just noticed one of your other comments. The chondroitin is for skin. It's Spirulina for respiratory issues.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 05:12 PM, Eleanor Kellon, VMD wrote:

Ditte,

It might be worth it to look into having it shipped to you.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

    Thanks but I just did a quick search of UK and German prices, which seem to be about the same as here in Denmark. Not a lot of options to choose from. Most of the search results I get is for Glucosamine or other stuff mixed with Chondroitine. Not much in its pure form. Getting it shipped from the US would probably cost a lot, not to mention customs. 
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   Ditte
   Denmark
   June 2019

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Joy and Willie  
(aka FLS Boxcar Willie)

Nevada County, CA - 2019


Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Willie
Willie's photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=242526

Naomi,

You will get a formal welcome message soon including instructions for a case history. We need a lot more details. What type of bedding is he (?she) on.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Ditte,

It might be worth it to look into having it shipped to you.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

This is a difficult question to answer because there is no way to tell if he has progressed to the point his baseline ACTH would be abnormal without adequate pergolide. You could retest using TRH but we don't really know if we should expect them to actually test normal. In any case, it's the insulin that's important with laminitis. He is too high for a horse on an EMS appropriate diet but not high enough to trigger laminitis. Can you get trim pictures up? Are his soles flat? Healthy bare feet with an appropriate trim aren't bothered by hard ground.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Not that you need another issue but with the drought and high protein you could be dealing with high nitrate. Fortunately, soaking will also  lower nitrate.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

If only on his belly there could be a component of Onchocerca larvae, also activated by heat.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 

Hi Everyone,

basic background:

my pony is a 14.2 connermara I’ve owned him 7 years and never had any problems. This year he’s had some time off due to pregnancy.

10 weeks ago he came in hopping lame I presumed abscess but vet was coming that evening anyway and he thought laminitis I kept him in the stable with a big deep bed and soaked hay. He got a lot worse and was in a lot of pain so went on a stronger pain killer we X-rayed him and there was around a 5-7 degree rotation in the front feet nothing in back.

after 8 weeks box rest my vet told me to turn out for an hour a day I did this for a week he then got extremely lame I went back to box rest on deep bed. He was then re X-ray and showed he had gas pockets and there was significantly more rotation in pedal bone (sorry I don’t have xrays at the moment) he then had a hoof resection on Tuesday vet has just rang me today and said he’s not getting much better and he will X-ray on Monday and I think he’s thinking along the lines of putting him down. 

I must add he’s been blood tested for cushings & ems and also general bloods they all came back completely normal. 

thanks for reading.
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Naomi

Denbigh, UK

2020

Hi Carly. ...I would definitely remove the small patches of grass....If you have an old carpet or an old black tarp you can easily cover those areas and get the grass to die off. After they wilt and die...then you can scratch up with metal rake, the dead grass and roots and remove them. This way she can get her turnout that she needs, and she doesn't have to be muzzled. I just noticed that my demons are eating some miniscule pieces of grass that are coming up under the fencing and between their dividers...so I took old rubber stall mat pieces and have lined those areas...they don't push the rubber mat at all and so far have not pawed at it. the black rubber should kill it in a few days to a week. I have also removed small patches with a hand held sod cutter that you push through the grass with your foot...carpet or tarp is really easier. I hold it down with bricks and large stones...just another option in the war against grass spots!  


Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Trisha%20and%20Dolly%20-%20Hope
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 09:35 PM, Deb Walker wrote:

My Best Horse carries Chondroitin Sulfate - 500 grams for $22. Does that seem like a reasonable price? The description says they recommend 6 grams a day (Scotty is little so probably why Dr. Kellon recommended a bit less.) So if I understand correctly, 5000 mg would equal 1 tsp, so 1 tsp twice a day? Sorry to be such a dunce about grams/milligrams/teaspoons. The more I compare, the more confused I get :)
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619

 The price sounds very reasonable to me! What I can find here in Denmark costs approximately $36 for 100g, $112 for 400g and $448 for 2kg. Same story as with a lot of the other supplements recommended here. I did consider adding it when I saw it recommended for respiratory allergies in the PPID hind lameness thread, but after seeing the price.....
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   Ditte
   Denmark
   June 2019

Just some additional info. I looked at Hearty' Pet's facebook page for any new info (I had never visited their facebook page) and saw that on April 17, they experienced a "devastating fire" at their warehouse in MD. In a week,it appears they already have a  new warehouse space, and had a company come in to build storage shelves and were starting to restock product. When I talked with them last week about only receiving one bag of my autoship, the customer service rep didn't say anything about it, other than my order was originating from MD, but she would call  Fed Ex and try to figure out what happened. Next day I got a call from FedEx and they were drop shipping FiberForce for me from Cavalor's Ga mill.

That helps answer some of the supply chain issues. So I would still call and try to find out the status of autoship orders.

Ferne, I don't know who you emailed at Cavalor, but it's best to go to Cavalor North America's facebook page and contact them there. That page is monitored well.
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .