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Re: Help with Your account is not confirmed message

Nancy C
 

HI Sharon

Please send me your friends email address at threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net. 

Once I have that I can look at what the issue is.

I have spelled out my email because groups.io will truncate it and you won't get through to me.

You can also use the PRIVATE button on the web page in the lower right corner.

Thanks
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Recommendations for next steps? Can Prascend cause this weigh loss? maybe needs to be reduced?

Rhonda Turley
 

I have been able to include insulin result (just arrived the other day) so Scooter's case history  which I has been updated.  I have also added photos but they are all crooked for some reason.(need help with this).   Need help with adding calories to his diet to fix his weight loss.  
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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     


Re: Lavinia is there ever a right time for corrective shoes?

celestinefarm
 

Lavinia, would casts with pads be appropriate in this case?

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

hdavis
 

Thanks Dr Kellon for the feedback and I will wait until her hoof capsule is fully grown out for riding here and will continue to exercise her on the ground in the meantime as I have been doing.

Good to hear about the biotin and testing for insulin and glucose as well.  Phew as I was a bit worried that I have been getting incorrect results.  Thanks again and will keep you posted on the results when I get them back.


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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Help with Your account is not confirmed message

 

I am posting this for a friend. I suggested that she gets involved with this great group who helped me soooo much.  I have cut and pasted her email below:
Thanks Sharon for sending these links, but now I know why I stayed away from this group as it's just too confusing/complicated for my pea brain to even comprehend on how to get into the group...:(  
 
When I log in, this message on top appears:  Your account is not confirmed. You will not be able to participate in any groups until your account is confirmed. Send another confirmation email.
 
Yes, I send in another confirmation email and just get back to the same message...:(

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Sharon P, Elsa  April 2016

 

Courtenay, BC Canada

Elsa, Case History, Photo Album

 

 

 

 


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Heather,

From a purely mechanical standpoint, you should just wait the few weeks for her hoof capsule to be fully grown out to be ultra cautious but all lights are green at this point. Just remember that as long as insulin is elevated there is the potential for laminar weakening so remain vigilant to changes in comfort, especially when you begin work under saddle.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Heather,

No, not insulin or glucose.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Acute laminitis - unable to control pain

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Shannon,

The impulse to alleviate the pain is totally understandable and I'm sure even more difficult for you, but focusing on pain per se can distract from the real pressing issue - getting rid of the cause. It's a bit like loading up a patient with a broken leg with fentanyl then sending them out the door. With endocrinopathic laminitis the single most important thing in relieving their pain is to get the insulin down so start the emergency diet now. These horses have abnormally high levels of circulating vasoconstrictors which predisposes them to cold induced hoof pain. It's very common.

As you wean off the drugs you can substitute Devil's Claw extract https://canada.desertcart.com/products/45272674-devil-s-claw-extract-powder-by-bulksupplements-pain-relief-amp-anti-inflammatory-100-grams 2500 mg twice a day. Just as, if not more, effective as the NSAIDs without the side effects. For cold induced pain, in addition to boots, socks and wraps, try 15 g/day of Rainey Ginseng https://raineyginseng.com/shop/powder and 5 g of arginine three times a day, between "meals" and syringed in with water or oil https://canadianprotein.com/products/l-arginine . The arginine can be increased to 10 g per dose if needed.  ACTH testing ASAP because you won't be able to get good control if that piece of the puzzle is missing.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Severe laminitis case

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Rose,

If you would like trimming advice we need to have a case history and pictures posted for your horse.  Directions on doing this can be found in your welcome letter: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/256465 as well as in the Wiki: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki#Photos-and-Hoof-Evaluation-Help

We're not able to offer trim advice without a pictures at a minimum, but having a completed case history helps provide an overall view of what's going on with your horse that's in one place that can be referenced easily.




Re: Severe laminitis case

Rose Miller
 

I personally would love to hear your foot trimming ideas. thanks in advance. 
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Rose Miller in Arizona 2020


Re: Senior Feed sugar starch levels

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kandace,

Information in the CH that would help us would be an ideal weight for J as well as a current weight.  That would help give a definite total amount of intake per day that she can have.  If she's a 6 at about 1000 pounds she probably should be closer to 900 as an ideal which would give you an intake of 18 pounds of day for her to get back to her ideal weight.  Looking at your CH she's not getting anywhere near that much so something isn't adding up there if she's not losing weight on the very restricted diet and that would make me wonder if she's IR as well as PPID.  If she's IR as well as PPID I would be more careful about what I fed her in terms of grain.  If she's just PPID you have a bit more leeway in grains but it's still best to err on the side of low ESC+starch.  Many senior feeds have rates that are in the high teens to high 20% range and those I would try to avoid if at all possible. 

Are you weighing hay out for both mares and just dividing the totals out for the CH info?  Looking at your other mare I see you have her listed as eating 20 pounds of hay a day so I'm finding that a bit confusing.



Re: Lavinia is there ever a right time for corrective shoes?

Jeanne Q
 

Update:
After chatting with my farrier we both came to the conclusion that metal on her feet at this time of year is probably not the best idea.  In his experience the composites get very brittle in our serious cold temps here in northern MN.  Also, the cold temps dont work with the glue.  So he is going to research some more about possibilities.

Lavinia if you or anyone has some innovative ideas on how to increase her comfort level at this time it would be greatly appreciated.  Has anyone ever used the velco shoes?  They are a European thing but really seem like they could help.  
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Jeanne Q MN 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jeanne%20&%20Glory
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=241360


Re: Senior Feed sugar starch levels

Kandace Krause
 

Kirsten, again thanks.  Seems your my person here.
J has never had laminitis.  She is only just now not getting much exercise as the two horses have become so bonded since K's diagnosis.  Also an hour seems to be as long as a ride and her old arthritic joints can take.
Yesterday, day two of five minutes handwalking, both horses were acting dangerously while just one out a a time.  Seems more work needed there, lol.
I have not requested insulin test on J, the vet just took blood for follow-up so I thought that more expense could wait until her PPID is established as high outside of seasonal rise.  I should see those results by weeks end.  
As she has not had laminitis, I don't understand what is missing in CH?  
As she did fall back hard at onset of winter two seasons back, I have "fattened her up for winter" so my fault she is at 6 BCS.
Since I can't be certain what she eats for hay I am uncertain how much to bump up cubes and BP.  I have been waiting to see if she appears to be winning or loosing at holding weight.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: Acute laminitis - unable to control pain

Shannon and Postina
 

Thanks so much Tracy!  Feels good to connect with another Paso person.  I am so happy to have found this group.  I really appreciate all the information because I feel so helpless as I watch my horse struggle. Just an awful place to be right now.  But this group gives me direction and actions to take. Today we will trim her feet and hope for some pain relief. 
--
Shannon B in Ontario 2020


Re: Acute laminitis - unable to control pain

Tracy
 

Hi Shannon - 
I am another Paso member here, there are several of us with Pasos.

Keep us posted- this group is a wealth of info and has helped many horses and their humans. You are in the right place!
If you hit information overload don’t forget to just breathe. 


Tracy

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Tracy and Salsa (1999 model year Paso Fino)
Middle TN USA, September 2019
Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tracy%20and%20Salsa
Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95827


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

hdavis
 

Thanks Kirsten!  I thought I had read the message string but clearly missed some of the info as it does state it will interfere with insulin.

I also noticed we should stop Biotin supplementation 6 days before labs and had a question regarding this. My biotin is added into my custom mineral mix from madbarn and not something I can take out manually. So to stop the biotin would one just stop giving the minerals totally and then just give those they we give for the emergency diet?
Thoughts?

I really hope this doesn’t sku my numbers too badly.  Madbarn has been adding biotin to my horse’s custom blends for about 2 years now at least so I guess all the bloods I have been checking with my 2 horses over that time period would have been affected. 

Another learning moment for me on how much you need to stay tuned into the posts on ECIR and how things can change when dealing with managing our equine friends. 
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Biotin will affect the insulin.   It's hard to say how much, but hopefully the results of the bloodwork will still be helpful.  Did you read through this message thread and look at the link to the study? 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/77731380#256718

Good to see her hooves are looking so good, well done, Heather!

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: suggestions in getting insulin down

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Whichever you decide to do, whether it's increasing Prascend or trying Metformin, I would do only 1 thing at a time so you can see which one helped.

How do we know what to increase it to? 
What am I looking for with the dose increase? 
Will the lameness stop when we get to the correct dose? 
Since the ACTH is always in normal range,  Do I just keep retesting the Insulin and once the correct dose is met the insulin will finally come down? 

How do you know if the dose is too much? What are the signs to look for if its too much? 
Your vet's suggestion to 2 mg Prascend is reasonable.

You are looking for lower insulin, better appetite, reduction in crest/goopy eyes/insulin, etc.

No way to know if it will help with lameness.

Yes, keep retesting insulin and watch for a drop.

There is no harm in giving too much Prascend, except to your pocketbook or if you have a horse that really struggles with the veil it can be hard on both of you increasing the dose.  See this post by Sherry about an accidental overdose (100x!!) case study:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/258702


Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Case Hx folder is Empty

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Shawn,

I have a little house keeping task for you.  Could you add the link to your photo album to your signature please?

Here is the link to Candy's album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258140

This is where you go to update your signature:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub
Don't forget to hit "Save" at the bottom after you edit it!

TIA!
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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

hdavis
 

One more question as I just noticed the messages about biotin and testing.  Does it affect insulin or glucose as Rio has biotin in her customs mineral mix.  I hope not or else I just wasted money on bloods by missing this!  Ooops!!
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 



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